Over, Under, or on Par performances

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BruinVol said:
Didn't Thunder teach us a lesson that VN is a pitiful doctor with the baulkman thread?


Perhaps we should retire from posting when players can play and when they can't
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When a noted soft player is sitting himself out because of a "bruised" knee and even the coach is making comments on the side about it, I think it's pretty apparent what is going on. There is no doctor about it. I think Hubbs' pride was hurt for being benched in the 2nd half against So Car. Barnes himself said his knee was bruised. I'm pretty sure he's getting that info from the trainer who has checked Hubbs out thoroughly. Some people's pain tolerance is low, some is high. Whatever Hubbs' deal is, I hope he can get his stuff together and play the last couple of games. Maybe he's moved on and doesn't care. We'll know shortly I'm sure.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I had just heard Barnes say that his arm was dislocated and had seen him rolling around apparently in excruciating pain. Barnes said after the LSU game that Baulkman deserved an Oscar for his performance. And actually, he should be done for the season. If Punter didn't have a stress fracture and Hubbs wasn't doing whatever he's doing and Mostella hadn't told off Barnes during a game, Baulkman probably would be done for the season.
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Best Oscar performance for a player anytime he got injured was Wayne Chism. That guy could roll around and act like he was done better than any player. I would think, "Oh sh*t, he just tore his knee up or ripped his ankle to shreds", and then he'd pop right back up and play within 2 minutes. Got me every time.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
When a noted soft player is sitting himself out because of a "bruised" knee and even the coach is making comments on the side about it, I think it's pretty apparent what is going on. There is no doctor about it. I think Hubbs' pride was hurt for being benched in the 2nd half against So Car. Barnes himself said his knee was bruised. I'm pretty sure he's getting that info from the trainer who has checked Hubbs out thoroughly. Some people's pain tolerance is low, some is high. Whatever Hubbs' deal is, I hope he can get his stuff together and play the last couple of games. Maybe he's moved on and doesn't care. We'll know shortly I'm sure.
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He's checked out. And he's been checked out for a while. Imo

Their have been multiple occasions recently he has been substituted for, and when heading to the bench CRB has been trying to coach him. But he makes zero eye contact and keeps walking to a seat. The most recent game was @ SC, but I have seen it multiple times this yr. He appears to no longer have any interest in playing for a coach Barnes.

I also believe Kasongo will leave during the off season. But he must still be coachable or at least willing to put forth an effort. He's still getting minutes and at least being mature about the situation. jmo
 
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Lefteye said:
He's checked out. And he's been checked out for a while. Imo

Their have been multiple occasions recently he has been substituted for, and when heading to the bench CRB has been trying to coach him. But he makes zero eye contact and keeps walking to a seat. The most recent game was @ SC, but I have seen it multiple times this yr. He appears to no longer have any interest in playing for a coach Barnes.

I also believe Kasongo will leave during the off season. But he must still be coachable or at least willing to put forth an effort. He's still getting minutes and at least being mature about the situation. jmo
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Yep, sadly, I agree. Hubbs is the most athletic guy on the roster and has never put the extra time in to be the player he could be. It's obvious what players Barnes knows he can count on by now. He seems to really love the freshmen, Moore and Punter and even Reese to some extent. Next year may be even more brutal than this year unfortunately. Losing Moore, Baulkman, Punter and possibly Hubbs and Kasongo. Oof.
 
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cncchris33 said:
He's averaging 9.0 ppg on the season, yet 10.5 ppg and 26 minutes/gm since the injury. So, I guess we will have to disagree, but the numbers don't support your theory.
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PPG is one stat. How many points per minute? Shooting percentage? Unforced turnovers? And I was responding that the LSU performance wasn't all that to the comment that the dislocated shoulder had no affect.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
PPG is one stat. How many points per minute? Shooting percentage? Unforced turnovers? And I was responding that the LSU performance wasn't all that to the comment that the dislocated shoulder had no affect.
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It is only one stat, but since Baulkman is primarily a scorer, it's really the most relevant.

But since you asked, last 4 games since injury...

-Points per minute is up from .33 to .40

-Shooting percentage is up from 36.5% to 38.5%

-3-pt shooting percentage is up from 34.4% to 36%

-He has committed a total of 3 TOs since the UK game, and only 1 vs LSU for the record.

-A:TO ratio is up from 1.3 to 2.0
 
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cncchris33 said:
It is only one stat, but since Baulkman is primarily a scorer, it's really the most relevant.

But since you asked, last 4 games since injury...

-Points per minute is up from .33 to .40

-Shooting percentage is up from 36.5% to 38.5%

-3-pt shooting percentage is up from 34.4% to 36%

-He has committed a total of 3 TOs since the UK game, and only 1 vs LSU for the record.

-A:TO ratio is up from 1.3 to 2.0
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Then the official scorer missed his LSU turnovers because there was more than one. His passes had nothing on them.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Lol...ok. And the other 4 statistics? You're reaching hard here to make a point that doesn't exist.
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The point was that it was said that his dislocated shoulder had not affected him at all. I disagreed and said that the two uncontested threes that he made at the beginning of the LSU game distorted how much he was affected. His passing was weak and he had a lot of difficulty lifting his arm.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The point was that it was said that his dislocated shoulder had not affected him at all. I disagreed and said that the two uncontested threes that he made at the beginning of the LSU game distorted how much he was affected. His passing was weak and he had a lot of difficulty lifting his arm.
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And my point is you are nitpicking a handful of plays that selectively support your theory while literally every statistic you've asked me to offer up states quite the opposite. In fact, statistically, he is playing better.

Bottom line, it hasn't affected him much at all, if any.
 
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cncchris33 said:
And my point is you are nitpicking a handful of plays that selectively support your theory while literally every statistic you've asked me to offer up states quite the opposite. In fact, statistically, he is playing better.

Bottom line, it hasn't affected him much at all, if any.
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Doctors are waiting til after the season to amputate.
 
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cncchris33 said:
And my point is you are nitpicking a handful of plays that selectively support your theory while literally every statistic you've asked me to offer up states quite the opposite. In fact, statistically, he is playing better.

Bottom line, it hasn't affected him much at all, if any.
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He needs to dislocate the other arm so that he can get his PPG average up to 12.

I disagree that he wasn't affected in the LSU game. Scoring 9 points does not disprove that at all.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
If it didn't "affect him at all" that should mean 0 out of 4. That's what you originally attempted to argue about. I said that it did affect his LSU game.
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You're saying it affected him on those handful of plays in 1 game, not me. So, for me, it is 0 games out of 4. To me, he's played as well or better than before because the affect of the "injury" is being grossly overstated.

Keep reaching though.
 
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cncchris33 said:
You're saying it affected him on those handful of plays in 1 game, not me. So, for me, it is 0 games out of 4. To me, he's played as well or better than before because the affect of the "injury" is being grossly overstated.

Keep reaching though.
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I'm saying, again, that he was most definitely affected in the LSU game by the dislocated shoulder two days earlier. I'm saying, again, that the two quick uncontested three pointers that he made statistically distort his effectiveness in the LSU game. I think his missed free throw was nearly an air ball... maybe somebody opened a door and a gust of wind "affected" it. The fact that just about every other player on the roster had a great game that day and the LSU coach had no clue also covers up that Baulkman was in fact affected in the LSU game by the dislocated shoulder two days prior.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I'm saying, again, that he was most definitely affected in the LSU game by the dislocated shoulder two days earlier. I'm saying, again, that the two quick uncontested three pointers that he made statistically distort his effectiveness in the LSU game. I think his missed free throw was nearly an air ball... maybe somebody opened a door and a gust of wind "affected" it. The fact that just about every other player on the roster had a great game that day and the LSU coach had no clue also covers up that Baulkman was in fact affected in the LSU game by the dislocated shoulder two days prior.
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And the results were 9 pts on 3-7 shooting, 2 rebs, 4 assts.

So, he hit his first 2 shots, and then finished 1-5 (not the embellished "missed his next 8" you claimed) and had a season-high 4 assists and only 1 TO (not the "several TOs at the top of the key" you claimed).

Seems like a pretty fair game to me for a known streaky shooter. Funny how you want to throw out his first two shots (both makes) as if they never happened because it strengthens your position.
 
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cncchris33 said:
And the results were 9 pts on 3-7 shooting, 2 rebs, 4 assts.

So, he hit his first 2 shots, and then finished 1-5 (not the embellished "missed his next 8" you claimed) and had a season-high 4 assists and only 1 TO (not the "several TOs at the top of the key" you claimed).

Seems like a pretty fair game to me for a known streaky shooter. Funny how you want to throw out his first two shots (both makes) as if they never happened because it strengthens your position.
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My position doesn't change by highlighting a couple of stats. He was affected in the LSU game. Maybe he was going to put up a double-double had he not been affected. I watched the game. His passes were not crisp, his first free throw clanked, he was heavily wrapped, and his elbow was usually tucked in tight on his injured arm. The only reason I point out his two quick uncontested three pointers is because stats keep being brought up as proof that he was not affected. Take out those two and his shooting sucked. The other made basket was after a great entry pass to him cutting to the hoop and even my grandmother could have caught that pass, turned, and layed it over the front of the rim.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
My position doesn't change by highlighting a couple of stats.
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Your position won't change at all apparently, so I'm done trying. My opinion is based on statistical evidence in the LSU game that you just want to dismiss. Your opinion is based on throwing out all evidence that he played decently, exaggerating how many shots he missed and how many TOs he had, and highlighting a missed FT as your proof.

Rock-solid case you've made. I guess you win.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Your position won't change at all apparently, so I'm done trying. My opinion is based on statistical evidence in the LSU game that you just want to dismiss. Your opinion is based on throwing out all evidence that he played decently, exaggerating how many shots he missed and how many TOs he had, and highlighting a missed FT as your proof.

Rock-solid case you've made. I guess you win.
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My opinion isn't that he scored 9 points and was thus not affected. My opinion is based on watching him play the game. He was far from 100%... he was affected by his dislocated shoulder. Stats down trump that he was obviously favoring the damaged arm.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Your opinion is based on throwing out all evidence that he played decently, exaggerating how many shots he missed and how many TOs he had, and highlighting a missed FT as your proof.

Rock-solid case you've made. I guess you win.
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Don't forget his passes weren't crisp. lol
 
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