Out coached.

#76
#76
Titanic said:
We were outcoached. Our head coach is completely unwilling to adjust his scheme to our personnel. We ran he wildcat ONE time and it was a big play and never went back to it. We do nothing but run a conventional offense that has little chance to succeed. It is getting to the point now of absurdity. I was a major supporter of Kiffin, but I have no confidence at this point in his ability to do his job effectively.
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I'm with you! I've said many times, I'm not ready to bet the house on the success of this program under his guidance (please let me be wrong). With even average play calling we are 4 and 1. As far as Monte is concerned, don't get me started; just look at the yardage against our defense. Before you flame with, "well, our defense is on the field too long", if Kiffin would make adjustments on offense, that wouldn't be a problem. We are 3 and out, or should I say Kiffin is 3 years and out. Maybe we can get a real coach then. Now you may flame.
 
#78
#78
tripper said:
are you kidding. our wr have to to be the worst in the sec. this loss is not on jc but our wr.
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I agree that they are very bad, though I don't think they are the worst. I think this is a product of many factors. They aren't ultra-talented. They have a bad QB. And they are poorly coached. There is constant confusion. We consistently have drops on passes the WR had both hands on. These are discipline problems. We had these in 2005. Trooper Taylor took over the same WR's in 2006 and their turnaround was astounding. Fewer drops, fewer fumbles. They played stronger and more disciplined.
 
#79
#79
Stupidity reigns tonight. LOL at anybody who had high expectations for this season.

Pete Carroll

First year (2001) at USC -

Finished 6-6 with a loss in the Las Vegas Bowl.

2002: 11-2
2003: 12-1 (National Champions)
2004: 13-0 (National Champions)
2005: 12-1
2006: 11-2
2007: 11-2
2008: 12-1

Bob Stoops

First year (1999) at Oklahoma

Finished 7-5 with a loss in the Independence Bowl

2000: 13-0 (National Champions)
2001: 11-2
2002: 12-2
2003: 12-2
2004: 12-1
2005: 8-4
2006: 11-3
2007: 11-3
2008: 12-2

Nick Saban

First year (2007) at Alabama

Finished 7-6 with a win in the Independence Bowl

2008: 12-2

Jim Tressel

First year (2001) at Ohio State

Finished 7-5 with a loss in the Outback Bowl

2002: 14-0 (National Champions)
2003: 11-2
2004: 8-4
2005: 10-2
2006: 12-1
2007: 11-2
2008: 10-3
 
#80
#80
Titanic said:
We were outcoached. Our head coach is completely unwilling to adjust his scheme to our personnel. We ran he wildcat ONE time and it was a big play and never went back to it. We do nothing but run a conventional offense that has little chance to succeed. It is getting to the point now of absurdity. I was a major supporter of Kiffin, but I have no confidence at this point in his ability to do his job effectively.
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Hey what team are you watching? He has adjusted everything offensively to the talent that he has......We are strong at RB and TE so he runs the ball and tries to run waggles to throw out of to keep Crompton protected from a suspect ol.
 
#81
#81
Titanic said:
Really, you mean the wildcat offense we got our single big play out of? The one that is nothing but a glorified quarterback sweep and would utilize our only area deep with talent? That's too complicated for us to do, but our quarterback who has shown no capability to operate an offense dropping back and making reads is somehow legitimate? And I'm the stupid one?
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Yeah, I'm sure the wildcat would've worked that well every single time. Nu'keese has problems holding onto the damn ball and we should just give it to him all the time because he made one big play? Give me a break.

I don't care who designs the offense and the plays, Crompton threw behind his receivers all night long and that's just Crompton. The ones he didn't throw behind the receivers dropped. The offensive line let guys in on horrible pass blocking a few times. The linebackers are simply outmatched and were dead tired because of our inept offense. The secondary was gassed and if your name isn't Eric Berry you are either a terrible defender or inexperienced for SEC play.

The kickoff specialist can't kick the damn ball inside the 10. The special teamers are pathetic. I seriously don't care who you have coaching these guys, you are NOT going to see some drastic change in our play with any other staff on that sideline.
 
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#82
#82
I agree with averything that CWIL74 says...be patient, there have been signs of life with the whole team - JC......with anyone else but cromp we are sitting pretty, hell if u give this team to rick clausen in 2005, we might win the east....its all cromp
 
#86
#86
XtennesseeX said:
Stupidity reigns tonight. LOL at anybody who had high expectations for this season.

Pete Carroll

First year (2001) at USC -

Finished 6-6 with a loss in the Las Vegas Bowl.

2002: 11-2
2003: 12-1 (National Champions)
2004: 13-0 (National Champions)
2005: 12-1
2006: 11-2
2007: 11-2
2008: 12-1

Bob Stoops

First year (1999) at Oklahoma

Finished 7-5 with a loss in the Independence Bowl

2000: 13-0 (National Champions)
2001: 11-2
2002: 12-2
2003: 12-2
2004: 12-1
2005: 8-4
2006: 11-3
2007: 11-3
2008: 12-2

Nick Saban

First year (2007) at Alabama

Finished 7-6 with a win in the Independence Bowl

2008: 12-2

Jim Tressel

First year (2001) at Ohio State

Finished 7-5 with a loss in the Outback Bowl

2002: 14-0 (National Champions)
2003: 11-2
2004: 8-4
2005: 10-2
2006: 12-1
2007: 11-2
2008: 10-3
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Wow, you sure are putting the pressure on CLK next year! :eek:lol:
 
#87
#87
And who is saying run the wildcat every time? What the hell are you guys even talking about? I'm saying utilize your personnel. Don't throw the ball every second and eight. Don't use a play one time, watch it work, then abandon it completely. Mix it up a little. Run the stupid wildcat til they stop it, then make an adjustment and run it some more later. Anything but this ridiculous bullcrap we watch week after week with Crompton and our poorly coached receiving corps trying to run a conventional offense, wasting the efforts of our offensive line, running backs, and defense.

You do realize Auburn was 1-6 on third down to start the game and we still couldn't give our defense a rest because aside from one Hardesty run and the Nuke-gun play we did not convert a first down? Even if we did run the wildcat 18 plays in a row it could not be any less effective than that. Can you get that through your thick skulls?

It boils down to this: If the quarterback is incapable of running an offense(and he is), do not make every second and third down call a play where said quarterback drops back and tries to make a play. It's asinine.
 
#88
#88
I was at the game. Watched every play. It was painfully obvious how much more skilled on the whole AU's playmakers are compared to ours. Speed, quickness, hands. We talked about that in our section the entire game. This loss wasn't due to coaching but due to the dull tools in the toolbox.
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#90
#90
cwil74` said:
Everyone that jumps off board now should not be allowed back on in a couple years.
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Amen for that. I am beginning to wonder about the intellect of the Vol fanbase myself.... What did everybody expect with what is left on this team? I am just shocked that we managed the game and had a chance at the end.
 
#91
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ZZ13 said:
I was at the game. Watched every play. It was painfully obvious how much more skilled on the whole AU's playmakers are compared to ours. Speed, quickness, hands. We talked about that in our section the entire game. This loss wasn't due to coaching but due to the dull tools in the toolbox.
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We can only pray that the ones Kiffin ran off are replaced with quality players of his own choosing.
 
#92
#92
Being from out of state but having lived here and adopting UT as my team for the last 20 years it dosn't suprise me to hear some of this crap. Most people born and raised in TN woudn't know good football if it it slapped them in the face, hence the HS coaches in this state and the lack of instate produced.

You also put up with the total destruction of one of the greatest football programs in the history of college football. Now some of you want to condem the new coach who is dealing with a total lack of talent and heart on his team. Give the guy time, heck at least this team didn't quit like last years did when they were down.
 
#93
#93
Titanic said:
You do realize Auburn was 1-6 on third down to start the game and we still couldn't give our defense a rest because aside from one Hardesty run and the Nuke-gun play we did not convert a first down? Even if we did run the wildcat 18 plays in a row it could not be any less effective than that. Can you get that through your thick skulls?
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Great point.
 
#94
#94
jeremytn said:
Good first post. Welcome to volnation.
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Thanks I was at the game and when we scored at half I was feeling pretty good, but we cannot stop teams every drive. The Crompton dissatisfaction was rolling strong. I really tried to stay positive in my thoughts but dude is not a winner to be nice about it. He cannot make a play when needed that simple.
 
#95
#95
i also agree with everything that ericfreakinberry just said.....welll said indeed...i do think we should have utilized the wildcat with either nukeese or jones or even berry, but whatever
 
#96
#96
Titanic said:
We were outcoached. Our head coach is completely unwilling to adjust his scheme to our personnel. We ran he wildcat ONE time and it was a big play and never went back to it. We do nothing but run a conventional offense that has little chance to succeed. It is getting to the point now of absurdity. I was a major supporter of Kiffin, but I have no confidence at this point in his ability to do his job effectively.
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Yeah, the wildcat routinely works well when the box is packed with defenders.
 
#97
#97
kptvol said:
Yeah, the wildcat routinely works well when the box is packed with defenders.
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And how would you know? You've seen our extensive use of it this year? Or you saw it not work against 9 in the box for the Razorbacks with McFadden? Or the Dolphins last year with no receiving threats after an 0-2 start? And the point remains that even if it was completely and utterly ineffective that is not some dismal result, but simply par for the course for our offense. If you remove the wildcat and Hardesty's one run we had zero first downs in the first 28 minutes of the first half. How can people not acknowledge these facts?
 
#98
#98
Titanic said:
And how would you know? You've seen our extensive use of it this year? Or you saw it not work against 9 in the box for the Razorbacks with McFadden? Or the Dolphins last year with no receiving threats after an 0-2 start? And the point remains that even if it was completely and utterly ineffective that is not some dismal result, but simply par for the course for our offense. If you remove the wildcat and Hardesty's one run we had zero first downs in the first 28 minutes of the first half. How can people not acknowledge these facts?
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If it worked every team would be running it all the time. Face it, it is a gimmick play!
 
#99
#99
kptvol said:
Our OL is probably the worst in the conference. The DL is middle of the pack. The linebackers are down there. Not sure about the receivers, but none of them have ever done anything. It's not a great sign when your leading receiver didn't have a single catch last year. The QBs are by far the worst in the conference and quite possibly the worst in the nation. Kiffin is bringing a knife to a gunfight in most games.
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Plus one ,we got to get some more top players in here, we just here to give it time.
 
#100
#100
hog88 said:
If it worked every team would be running it all the time. Face it, it is a gimmick play!
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It's not unstoppable. Teams with a capable quarterback and solid receivers can move the ball more effectively. It is simply a solid tool at the disposal of teams who have no other way of manufacturing offense. We fit that bill. Why would you rather we continue on this path that clearly isn't working rather than attempt to do something to inject some life into our offense. It is a gimmick, but it is a gimmick that let the dolphins win their division last year and it's a gimmick that could allow the last few games of Eric Berry and Monterio Hardesty's career have some meaning rather than be a replay of last year.
 
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