Our two party system is broken.

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hog88 said:
I wish that was the case, I see it differently. Our society has been dumbed down and is lazy, the average voter listens about two weeks before the election and then to the major media or cable news outlets. Or to their "daddy" as in daddy always voted this way.

One prime example is Obamacare, have you noticed there have been several stories come out now that the election is over saying how bad this thing is? Didn't see hardly one outside of Fox news on the major outlets.
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That's because Fox is making things up or, at a minimum, exaggerating as much as possible.
 
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JDogInDaHouse said:
And you want to keep electing the same P.O.S politicians, izzat right?
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No. I voted for a third party candidate. I also advised as many of my friends that I could to do the same. A few actually did.

You didn't do jack shjt. You didn't even vote.
 
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JDogInDaHouse said:
You are missing my point, Im not saying dont vote. I hate people who vote for people they know nothing about. Also we need a third party that will break the gridlock that is ruining this country.
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There was a third party.

I can assure you of this because I casted many Libertarian ballots including POTUS.
 
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JDogInDaHouse said:
You dont get it, when I say "third party" I dont mean some random schmuck rolled out so they could say "see, you had a 3rd party choice" Anyone who knows anything about how politics REALLY work, knows what im saying. Now, let the non sheep speak alone. Thanx.
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Careful, you are illuminating your ignorance.

You should adhere to the proverb:

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." ~ Mark Twain
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JDogInDaHouse said:
Getting the word out. So we can get this changed. Sorry, im not going to run for office, I want to go to Heaven.
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Getting the word out in this forum? How will that change anything? You should read a bit more and figure out what kind of posters hang out around here. You know, study the history of the forum
 
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E-Tizzle said:
Right now, today, in 2013, 3rd parties don't work. From my observations, they don't work for three main reasons: 1) people are loyal sheep to one of the two main parties, 2) people don't know enough about the non-major party candidates, or 3) are so afraid that the major party candidate they most oppose will win their state, that they vote for the other.

As the generation that gets most of their news from paper and TV/radio dies off, and the majority of the country gets their news online (and I don't mean cnn/fox news' websites), things will begin to transform. The big money behind the two major parties will suddenly not go as far. 'Fact checking' will be commonplace and done before the information is released. Grass roots campaigns will be able to accomplish more and reach a wider audience; the Anonymous/Libertarian movements, for instance, will reach many more receptive individuals than they currently do.
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Agree with this. Information is power, especially if it spurns people to action.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's because Fox is making things up or, at a minimum, exaggerating as much as possible.
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Your either just a party hack or an idiot, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say part hack. Fox News is no different than CNN or MSNBC, they are all slaves to ratings.

Now, since we are talking about idiots. Lets talk about these 3rd party guys. "Let's change the system, vote 3rd party". Never going to happen, you are and will always be wasting your votes!

Only 2 things will change our situation;

1- a dictator, hopefully a benevolent one
2- we go back to the way our gov't was framed, the population only directly elected their state reps and Congressman. The state reps elected the Senators.
 
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hog88 said:
Your either just a party hack or an idiot, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say part hack. Fox News is no different than CNN or MSNBC, they are all slaves to ratings.

Now, since we are talking about idiots. Lets talk about these 3rd party guys. "Let's change the system, vote 3rd party". Never going to happen, you are and will always be wasting your votes!

Only 2 things will change our situation;

1- a dictator, hopefully a benevolent one
2- we go back to the way our gov't was framed, the population only directly elected their state reps and Congressman. The state reps elected the Senators.
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Dumb.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Careful, you are illuminating your ignorance.

You should adhere to the proverb:
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No, I prefer "If you live in a glass house, you shouldn't throw stones." or "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." or "judge not lest ye be judged first" but my personal favorite is "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
 
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JDogInDaHouse said:
No, I prefer "If you live in a glass house, you shouldn't throw stones." or "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." or "judge not lest ye be judged first" but my personal favorite is "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
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Wait. YOU started this thread and then called folks who actually voted lazy and uninformed and then YOU make this last post?

Did you not vote because you're too young to vote? Like maybe 12?
 
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JDogInDaHouse said:
No, I prefer "If you live in a glass house, you shouldn't throw stones." or "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." or "judge not lest ye be judged first" but my personal favorite is "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
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Well, we are not talking about sin, so your proverbs are irrelevant.

Your political analysis is perplexing to say the least.
 
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hog88 said:
Really, for over 30 years I have heard "vote 3rd party" sure has fixed a lot. And I have.
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Has nothing to do with whether there will be a viable third party (on a national level) in the future. You stated there would never be such a party in the future.
 
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utvolpj said:
Getting the word out in this forum? How will that change anything? You should read a bit more and figure out what kind of posters hang out around here. You know, study the history of the forum
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Man, ive got a wife and 2 children. I dont have time to study the history of a football forum. All I have done is try to stimulate a debate on something important. Im sorry that offends you. I never claimed to be a politician, professor or lawyer. And I dont claim to know all, but I think ive got a good understanding of the world we live in. And I care, unlike a majority of the population. So dont talk to me like im an idiot.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Has nothing to do with whether there will be a viable third party (on a national level) in the future. You stated there would never be such a party in the future.
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What's the future, another 30, 60 or 100 years?
 
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PKT_VOL said:
If I was God or had a time machine, I would tell you.
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Right.

The last successful 3rd party was the Republican Party, how many years ago was that?

All I'm trying to get across is that a fractured "3rd party" base plays into the hands of the current powers. We have to work within those powers to affect change.
 
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hog88 said:
Right.

The last successful 3rd party was the Republican Party, how many years ago was that?

All I'm trying to get across is that a fractured "3rd party" base plays into the hands of the current powers. We have to work within those powers to affect change.
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That is certainly an option. The old GOP is dead.

The new GOP is either going to be the Libertarian Party or the GOP will fracture and die off. I fully believe there will be a multiple party system in the future. The change in technology and media will be the a big player in this.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
That is certainly an option. The old GOP is dead.

The new GOP is either going to be the Libertarian Party or the GOP will fracture and die off. I fully believe there will be a multiple party system in the future. The change in technology and media will be the a big player in this.
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As long as people can vote themselves an existence the Dems will always be a major party and this is what we need to change.

People should be voting opportunity and not existence.
 
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JDogInDaHouse said:
Man, ive got a wife and 2 children. I dont have time to study the history of a football forum. All I have done is try to stimulate a debate on something important. Im sorry that offends you. I never claimed to be a politician, professor or lawyer. And I dont claim to know all, but I think ive got a good understanding of the world we live in. And I care, unlike a majority of the population. So dont talk to me like im an idiot.
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lots of people have families and can still educate themselves on what's going on in the world. You don't offend me but you could realize that this is a subject that's been discussed many times on here. It was actually discussed quite a bit during the last election since there was a 3rd party candidate whose views matched up with many people on here.
 
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hog88 said:
As long as people can vote themselves an existence the Dems will always be a major party and this is what we need to change.

People should be voting opportunity and not existence.
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People vote Democratic for a bunch of different reasons. Their party is not immune to fracturing.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
People vote Democratic for a bunch of different reasons. Their party is not immune to fracturing.
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Not immune but highly unlikely.

The problem, and I don't know how old you are, is that for at least the last 40 years the Dems have been pandering to the underachievers and slackers. They have been dumbing down and demanding equality in education so the smart kids cannot excel past the nimrods. Basically, as I've said before, they have slowly built their base.
 
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hog88 said:
Not immune but highly unlikely.

The problem, and I don't know how old you are, is that for at least the last 40 years the Dems have been pandering to the underachievers and slackers. They have been dumbing down and demanding equality in education so the smart kids cannot excel past the nimrods. Basically, as I've said before, they have slowly built their base.
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I don't disagree.

I would add that they have also built their base because they are the only game in town.

I do not believe this will be the case in the future.
 
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