Our offense vs fla defense

#51
#51
hohenfelsvol said:
Funny how over the last two seasons it was the running game we were worried about going into UF. Now it's the passing. God I hope JC gets it going and stops leaning back before every snap.
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In a perfect world, everything would finally click for Crompton and he'd have his big breakout moment Saturday.
 
#52
#52
I have a question. Which, if any, of these do you think we may see this weekend?

GJ reverse with pass option
G-Gun Pass
G-Gun Foster option w/ LT reverse
G-Gun w/ EB out wide
Crunch Berry w/ GJ out wide
Both Jones and Berry in the backfield
Some ole' stuff we've been seeing

I think we see two of the first three.
 
#54
#54
Time of possession is going to be key on Saturday. If we can keep our defense off the field, then I think we can hang in there. The D is good enough to keep us in this game if we don't force them to play the whole game out there. Run game is going to have to be established, and in order to do that, we're going to have to make UF respect the pass. The question is whether or not we can do that.
 
#55
#55
I'd be more worried about UT being physical against the Gators if I'd seen some signs of that in any of the two games so far. Certainly didn't see much of that last year, at all.
 
#56
#56
justingroves said:
In a perfect world, everything would finally click for Crompton and he'd have his big breakout moment Saturday.
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Wierd that they might do this, but it does seem to me that there are parts and pieces to Clawson's game that we've not seen this fall. If true, and there is a total package to play with, results could improve. It's actually hard to go out there with only some of the scheme in play...
 
#57
#57
Another part of running the football is that then when it's the fourth quarter and they need a stop, they are tired.
 
#58
#58
orange+white=heaven said:
Wierd that they might do this, but it does seem to me that there are parts and pieces to Clawson's game that we've not seen this fall. If true, and there is a total package to play with, results could improve. It's actually hard to go out there with only some of the scheme in play...
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You would think, however, that before unleashing the trickeration the UT offense would have the basic playbook down.
 
#59
#59
hohenfelsvol said:
Funny how over the last two seasons it was the running game we were worried about going into UF. Now it's the passing. God I hope JC gets it going and stops leaning back before every snap.
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We still have not been able to run effectivly against Florida. I hope this is the year we actually do.

As long as we get the running game going, Crompton should be able to get off the short yardage passes and get the ball out of his hands.
 
#61
#61
orange+white=heaven said:
Wierd that they might do this, but it does seem to me that there are parts and pieces to Clawson's game that we've not seen this fall. If true, and there is a total package to play with, results could improve. It's actually hard to go out there with only some of the scheme in play...
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Very true. It seems to me Tennessee had the plays they wanted to run set in stone against UCLA and UAB.
 
#62
#62
lawgator1 said:
You would think, however, that before unleashing the trickeration the UT offense would have the basic playbook down.
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Before I saw the unveiling at UCLA, I had the impression that the 'basic' playbook you refer to was actually about four formations that had myriad options based on defensive responses.

Now, if you try to scale back on what you've been teaching, you could really open up a smelly can of tuna.

I'm not at all certain this is the case, but there is some oomph missing from what I expected to see. And furthermore, if this is all there is.... I'm unimpressed with the hire...
 
#63
#63
orange+white=heaven said:
Before I saw the unveiling at UCLA, I had the impression that the 'basic' playbook you refer to was actually about four formations that had myriad options based on defensive responses.

Now, if you try to scale back on what you've been teaching, you could really open up a smelly can of tuna.

I'm not at all certain this is the case, but there is some oomph missing from what I expected to see. And furthermore, if this is all there is.... I'm unimpressed with the hire...
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I hope not. Everyone keeps saying that we pulling all the tricks out of the bag for Florida. I want to see that.
 
#64
#64
orange+white=heaven said:
Before I saw the unveiling at UCLA, I had the impression that the 'basic' playbook you refer to was actually about four formations that had myriad options based on defensive responses.

Now, if you try to scale back on what you've been teaching, you could really open up a smelly can of tuna.

I'm not at all certain this is the case, but there is some oomph missing from what I expected to see. And furthermore, if this is all there is.... I'm unimpressed with the hire...
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I can't believe that's it, either. I just think that the coaches feel that JC & Co. are still not quite right in execution of that basic set of things and, until they are, there's not much point in burdening them with plays that depend on timing even more than the current regime.
 
#65
#65
lawgator1 said:
I can't believe that's it, either. I just think that the coaches feel that JC & Co. are still not quite right in execution of that basic set of things and, until they are, there's not much point in burdening them with plays that depend on timing even more than the current regime.
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I agree, there might be more to it. I saw more new stuff last week, with the tight end going back into the backfield as a fullback... not that it worked any better or anything?
 
#67
#67
IPorange said:
In some ways, I think Crompton's personality puts him in a better place mentally for this game than the previous two. I am looking (hoping? Deluding myself? Dreaming?) for Crompton to put up or shut up. This game is his career at UT. This game will define who he is and later was in his first year as a starter at UT.
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why you think Crompton should morph into joe montana suddenly. Has he looked great? Not especially. First, he hasn't played that much. Second, Clawson f-cked up the ucla game with his idiotic play calling. Third, UT's receivers aren't all that.

One thing would help the Vols: Learn how to execute a traditional screen pass--not the WR screen that is now overused. Actually, if I'm not mistaken, the Vols did execute a pretty decent screen in the second half against UAB--which is the first time I've seen UT run a decent screen in YEARS. The NE Pats are brilliant at running screens--and have been for years. The Vols need to be the NE pats in this game--solid d, run the ball, no mistakes, throw passes you are capable of completing. Do what you do well on offense and nothing more.
 
#68
#68
Dbake005 said:
I agree, there might be more to it. I saw more new stuff last week, with the tight end going back into the backfield as a fullback... not that it worked any better or anything?
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I didn't see that game so can't comment. The reaction here on the board seems to be that folks feel like the subpar competition makes it difficult to tell if the executiongot that much better between UCLA and UAB.

Intuitively I would say it certainly did because the period between games 1 and 2 is traditionally where the most improvement comes. Question is, are you going to peak Saturday or are you still too close to the bottom of the learning curve to be competitive?

Again, I think its a mistake to make this all about the state of your offense. Florida's defense seems much improved over last year (they had no where to go but up, really) and they seem particularly good against the run, which is what I think we all would agree is where UT must have success to control the tempo of the game.

Fortunately for the Gators, our defensive strength matches up well to your offensive strength.
 
#69
#69
lawgator1 said:
I didn't see that game so can't comment. The reaction here on the board seems to be that folks feel like the subpar competition makes it difficult to tell if the executiongot that much better between UCLA and UAB.

Intuitively I would say it certainly did because the period between games 1 and 2 is traditionally where the most improvement comes. Question is, are you going to peak Saturday or are you still too close to the bottom of the learning curve to be competitive?

Again, I think its a mistake to make this all about the state of your offense. Florida's defense seems much improved over last year (they had no where to go but up, really) and they seem particularly good against the run, which is what I think we all would agree is where UT must have success to control the tempo of the game.

Fortunately for the Gators, our defensive strength matches up well to your offensive strength.
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The first half was frustrating, but in the second half we just... did whatever wanted running the ball at times. Y'all aren't UAB though.

Yes it does... one thing i was thinking was that your Oline is a beast, but our pass rush isn't our strength, so that being taken away doesn't take away our best aspect.

Crompton will get sacked and put on his butt some, i know that, but we've gotta run when we can and have dump off routes that give him atleast a chance.
On the first TD to Gjones, he had warren open for about a 10 yard gain on an out route, but kept rolling out to keep the play developing and hit Jones for the TD.
Don't be afraid to run for a first, kid.
 
#71
#71
Dbake005 said:
The first half was frustrating, but in the second half we just... did whatever wanted running the ball at times. Y'all aren't UAB though.

Yes it does... one thing i was thinking was that your Oline is a beast, but our pass rush isn't our strength, so that being taken away doesn't take away our best aspect.

Crompton will get sacked and put on his butt some, i know that, but we've gotta run when we can and have dump off routes that give him atleast a chance.
On the first TD to Gjones, he had warren open for about a 10 yard gain on an out route, but kept rolling out to keep the play developing and hit Jones for the TD.
Don't be afraid to run for a first, kid.
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Not so fast. They struggled badly against Miami. Miami's defensive scheme was really good in that game and they have excellent talent. We pulled away at the end, as I expected we would, because their first string got tired and their offense could not sustain anything.

Florida has had a weekend off to get back to some basics with this line and I really do think that quicker plays and less theatrics will make the Oline more effective.
 
#73
#73
Yeah, towards the end of the Miami game, i know Miami was worn out on defense, but Tebow had alllll dayyyy to throw. Could've been just because they were so tired, but he was just hanging out back there for awhile til he felt like throwing the ball.
We need to get in his face, but i see hits on him coming more on his cute little runs than sacks. I'd love a blindside forced fumble by mckenzie or something, but don't know how much we'll blitz him
 
#75
#75
justingroves said:
It could be done but if you're pounding the ball for 4-5 yards you should not stop until proven otherwise IMO. Crompton has looked decent at best. A strong running game is a decent QB's best friend.

Tee Martin said the reason they won in 1998 is because they quit being cute with the ball and pounded it straight at them.

2001 Stephens had Florida DBs getting the hell out of his way.

The team that is most physical wins this game. Always have, always will.
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I agree that what you suggest is a strong way to win the game, but I think the last sentence is incorrect.

Spurrier's gators in the mid 90s were pretty finesse on offense...high octane passing attack with very little (or no?) I formation/jumbo package pounding of the rock...

I was a small child back then, so this may be selective memory talking, but I remember their passing game always just ripping us to shreds, not because they were more physical than us. I can remember we had them 4th and 18 or something at about midfield, and I thought "finally, we stopped them," because it always seemed like it was impossible to get their offense off the field. So they went for it and scored a TD on like a 50 yard pass from Wuerffel to Hilliard.

Anyway, I agree that since Spurrier has left (or maybe even the last few years he was there), that the more physical team wins the matchup. Whoever can run the ball and stop the run more effectively is in great shape to win the game. Special Teams almost always has a big impact on this game, and the Gators are one of the best in the country...we are not... James and Harvin are electric return men, their coverage and blocking units are exceptional...the good athletes on their team fight to be on the ST units...They want to go out there and make plays.
 
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