Other head coach options (merged)

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Vols_74 said:
I doubt there is a way we get to 8-4 with a loss to candy but anything is possible I guess
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You are probably right but who knows. The SEC East is an absolute **** show.

The SEC is not anywhere what it use to be. There is one good team in Alabama and that is it.
 
#302
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zjcvols said:
LSU and Mizzou suck. Tennessee can out talent Kentucky and Vandy. South Carolina just lost their player. It's entirely possible Tennessee goes 8-4/9-3. Then Currie is in a no win situation almost.
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That situation right there is when you have to look at the larger picture, who we beat, who we lost to, the quality of the wins, and either decide if it's Butch's ceiling or is there hope for improvement.

Georgia made the tough decision with Richt but it's not yet proven to be the right one or the wrong one yet.

Not that I'm saying Butch is Richt because I don't think he is. Right was winning when the East was competitive and strong. As bad as I hate to say it I'm starting to think Butch can't win the East.

If Currie's priorities are competing for championships then he needs to make a decision.

Also releasing Butch after a 9-3 season would help with the buyout. Making Butch more attractive to other schools.

It's just up to Currie to determine where he thinks the ceiling is with him.

And it would also scared off the other coaches that aren't confident in their ability to win because no one except a true competitor and someone with complete confidence in themselves would follow a 9-3 coach that just got canned.
 
#303
#303
I just don't understand why we don't give Chip Kelly a blank check and tell him to fill in the numbers. Paying him $7 or 8 million a year will pay for itself almost immediately. He is virtually a can't miss hire since the SEC coaching ranks is hot garbage right now outside of Saban. And Saban at 65 won't be around much longer. It makes too much sense though.
 
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#304
#304
zjcvols said:
You are probably right but who knows. The SEC East is an absolute **** show.

The SEC is not anywhere what it use to be. There is one good team in Alabama and that is it.
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You got that right. Otherwise we are all mediocre
 
#305
#305
I will get roasted here but Baylor issued an apology letter to briles clearing him and I understand the culture tn was accused of having with the women issues recently
But briles could be had prolly cheaper than butxh and would do well
But prolly get the same results w chip kelly
 
#306
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buckfama said:
That situation right there is when you have to look at the larger picture, who we beat, who we lost to, the quality of the wins, and either decide if it's Butch's ceiling or is there hope for improvement.

Georgia made the tough decision with Richt but it's not yet proven to be the right one or the wrong one yet.

Not that I'm saying Butch is Richt because I don't think he is. Right was winning when the East was competitive and strong. As bad as I hate to say it I'm starting to think Butch can't win the East.

If Currie's priorities are competing for championships then he needs to make a decision.

Also releasing Butch after a 9-3 season would help with the buyout. Making Butch more attractive to other schools.

It's just up to Currie to determine where he thinks the ceiling is with him.

And it would also scared off the other coaches that aren't confident in their ability to win because no one except a true competitor and someone with complete confidence in themselves would follow a 9-3 coach that just got canned.
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Yes. Not to mention that if Currie fires CBJ after a 8-4 or 9-3 season and the next coach doesn't work out then he is the guy who fired a 9-3 coach and that means he is on the hot seat if not fired. Self preservation trumps all
 
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Vols_74 said:
Yes. Not to mention that if Currie fires CBJ after a 8-4 or 9-3 season and the next coach doesn't work out then he is the guy who fired a 9-3 coach and that means he is on the hot seat if not fired. Self preservation trumps all
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That's why if you do fire Butch after that type of sesson you had better have the boosters and the BOT ready with the checkbook and a guarantee of backing by them no matter the cost.

Once you go all in there ain't no going back.
 
#308
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TennTom said:
I just don't understand why we don't give Chip Kelly a blank check and tell him to fill in the numbers. Paying him $7 or 8 million a year will pay for itself almost immediately. He is virtually a can't miss hire since the SEC coaching ranks is hot garbage right now outside of Saban. And Saban at 65 won't be around much longer. It makes too much sense though.
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The issue with Kelly is he hates recruiting. You cannot get away with that at the University of Tennessee. You have to love recruiting and willing to put your time and energy into it. I'm not so sure that Kelly has that in him. If we got Chip I would be really excited, because the guy is an incredible football mind. But in college football that's #2 to recruiting.
 
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buckfama said:
That's why if you do fire Butch after that type of sesson you had better have the boosters and the BOT ready with the checkbook and a guarantee of backing by them no matter the cost.

Once you go all in there ain't no going back.
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Which is why it will never happen
 
#310
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Vols_74 said:
Which is why it will never happen
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And that's how I feel about it as well.

That's why I said earlier we are all dreaming.

Butch is a great recruiter and a decent coach. Which translates into 8 and 9 win seasons.

As long as the players buy in and don't quit on him like they did Dooley, and the money keeps pouring in, Currie is hamstrung and ain't nothing gonna change.
 
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zjcvols said:
The issue with Kelly is he hates recruiting. You cannot get away with that at the University of Tennessee. You have to love recruiting and willing to put your time and energy into it. I'm not so sure that Kelly has that in him. If we got Chip I would be really excited, because the guy is an incredible football mind. But in college football that's #2 to recruiting.
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A few thoughts about that.:
UT recruits itself.
Tennessee is now one of the better states for talent. A coach like Kelly would fence the state.
Hire him some quality recruiters for Georgia, Florida, NC, and SC.
Even Dooley was pulling top 15 classes.
 
#312
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buckfama said:
And that's how I feel about it as well.

That's why I said earlier we are all dreaming.

Butch is a great recruiter and a decent coach. Which translates into 8 and 9 win seasons.

As long as the players buy in and don't quit on him like they did Dooley, and the money keeps pouring in, Currie is hamstrung and ain't nothing gonna change.
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Yes sir. And I don't see our players quitting on him. They never have and they will probably rally around him and make a run
 
#313
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I'll say a few things about this. I think regardless, you give Butch until the end of the year to right the ship. I believe he's earned that. 8-4 is just mediocre, but I think he would be fine, but really on the hot seat next year (like probably fired in the after the Florida game if we were to lose, see Les Miles). Anything more than 8-4 he's fine, anything less and he's out.

Now onto other options.

Les Miles: Eh, he did really well with Sabans recruits, maybe a little above average without. Has to have a top notch offensive coordinator/ QB coach because that was his downfall.

Chip Kelly: He's proven to be a problem in the NFL. Players hated him, Fans hated him, Owners hated him. He took a good team and ran them into the ground. He also hates recruiting, so that's not a good thing at all. He did have a lot of success at Oregon, but would really need a great defensive Coordinator to make it week in and week out in the SEC. He's used to PAC-12 ball where defense is rarely played. He would be a splash hire, but I just don't think he would be best for our program. Maybe if he brings in Helfrich as OC, that makes it better as well.

Brent Venables: Ultimately the guy we want and need. I think after going with 3 straight offensive minded coaches (you could argue that Dooley didn't have a brain), I think we need to go defense. This guy is the best in the business, truly. Held the reigning heisman trophy winner to 21 points, help Auburn to 6 points. Has won a national championship against the best Alabama team I've ever seen. He's the guy. Of course, he's never been a HC at this level, but I'd be willing to give it a shot. He's a great recruiter as well (finished 40th last year in recruiter rankings). Honestly, hire this man.

Gruden: No list is complete without Gruden. He's been out of coaching awhile, doesn't seem to want to coach again. Let's just move on with our lives.

Jim Bob Cooter: With the success he's had as a OC in the NFL, he at least put's his name in consideration for being our HC. He's might be unlikely but you never know.

Possible assistant coaches
Defense:
DC/D-Line Coach: Marion Hobby - Coached with Venables together at Clemson, Hobby played here, currently in the NFL as a defensive line coach. Kacy Rodgers (Jets DC) could be another name to look out for.) Brady Hoke only for D-line coach, don't want a repeat of Oregon's D from last year, but he probably wouldn't stay.
DBs: Terry Fair - Played here, has had pretty good success at Colorado State, pretty good recruiter. It would be a good hire. I'm not opposed to keeping Charlton Warren either, he has been a good recruiter as well, and the DBs are slightly improved, but to be fair he has to make up for all the bad Martinez put into them.
LBs: Dale Jones (App State LB coach) Played here, has been at App State for 22 years now. Lance Thompson (USCe Dline coach), great recruiter, produced great results for a lot of great defenses. Coached here with Lane and Dooley, probably one of our best options here. This is also a position that Venables coaches, so they could maybe get away with a younger coach (Like Kevin Beard) and develop him

Offense:
OC: If we are going only former UT players/coaches, Randy Sanders has had great success at FSU. Throw out the name Jim Bob Cooter as well, though going from NFL OC to College OC can only be seen as a step down. While, Larry Scott isn't terrible, I still would like to get away from the offense we run currently. Have to mention Tee Martin, he hasn't set the world on fire as OC, but he's looked pretty good and could coach QBs or WRs. He would be a candidate for the HC position most likely as well, but I don't see him being as ready as Venables.
WR: Kevin Beard is fine, but we could probably do better at the same time. Not really sure here to be honest as a replacement. Dameyune Craig would be my first option, but I don't know if that is realistic.
RB: KEEP Gillespie please. RBs have never been the problem. They run hard, typically hold onto the ball well, block well. He is a great recruiter, even better developer of talent. If he leaves, definitely have to get Jay Graham back, we had similar success with him here.
OL: Again, I would want to keep Walt Wells. O-Line has really looked pretty good, he's a fantastic recruiter, probably our best on our staff. Players seem to like him, and he's getting pretty good results through 3 games.
QBs: Let the OC handle that probably. Like Canales as a person, but Dormady hasn't looked fantastic this year, Guarantano hasn't really progressed.
 
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#314
igotworms said:
I will get roasted here but Baylor issued an apology letter to briles clearing him and I understand the culture tn was accused of having with the women issues recently
But briles could be had prolly cheaper than butxh and would do well
But prolly get the same results w chip kelly
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You have the best screen name on the forum.:hi:
 
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#316
#316
Jim Bob Cooter is 32 years old. Not ready for prime time. Maybe after Gruden retires.
 
#318
#318
Gary Patterson makes $5M a year at TCU. He is their winningest coach in their history and he's almost 60 years old. He's not leaving TCU for a tougher, more competitive environment for similar money.
 
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#320
I wish we could get a guy like Chip Kelly in here and Dan Mullen has proved he can win with minimal recruiting classes. We need a coach that at least makes good decisions during a game. I haven't seen many games where Butch does that.
 
#323
#323
Dan Mullen- consitently gets the best out of his recruits;UT will sell itself to recruits
Brent Venables- Great defensive mind;really is the backbone of turning around Clemson IMO
Les Miles- Don't really need to explain myself
Jon Gruden; yes we have the money now!
Jim Bob Cooter- UT alum; I feel thats what were missing is somebody that knows what were all about
Jeremy Pruitt

These are the guys IMO who would take us back to the next level.
 
#324
#324
I honestly don't think it's the money at all. I think it is the fact that human nature is to take the path of least resistance, and as it stands right now Tennessee has the absolute toughest road to national prominence than anyone in the country as long as Saban is the head coach of Alabama.

Alabama has been the absolute dominant force in college football the last decade, and Tennessee not only has to play them once, but TWICE in most years just to have a shot at a playoff spot, probably even a Nee Year's six game.

I mean case in point times two from two teams that have to only play bama once: Florida fires Muschamp, and understandably so, and all they can muster is a group of five coach? I mean yeah he was going strong at CSU, but c'mon it's a big time college in one of the most talent rich states in the country. Then you have LSU. They fire a pretty damn accomplished coach in Miles mid season. With boosters willing to cut a check for his buyout, you damn well know that money wasn't an issue, and yet, all they can muster is settling for an assistant coach? I know he did well after taking over for USC and LSU. But again we are talking they had the ability to do that back the truck up to an impossible to get coach, and yet that was their prize.

I cannot stand Jones's coaching style. I made it through the first half of Ga Tech, and I just cannot watch the way he coaches any more. Even when it is going well, it is just boring. But most times it is just an undisciplined and horribly managed mess. But I believe firing him just means a side grade or even worse, and it will continue to be that way for Tennessee and the rest of the SEC until Saban retires and Bama falls apart as a result.

PS keep your eyes off Brohm. Purdue is making noise for the first time in a decade with a roster full of Number 80 recruiting classes. There is no chance in hell he makes it to the end of his first contract (cries).
 
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#325
#325
Quite simple quit showing up to games and Butch will be gone. I was planning on going to the UGA game but after this s*** im not going to. UGA is heads and shoulders better than us and its not going to be pretty. Talent is not the reason being, its coaching
 
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