Organize or Perish

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When I was a Freshman in college I took a US History class. I remember the professor teaching us "Organize or Perish" basically meaning that people with a common interest throughout history had to organize and make thier voice heard or their well being, theology, ways of life, agendas, etc. would be in jeopardy.

This brought about interest groups (NAACP, NRA, and on a smaller scale hunting groups, car clubs, ect.)

The Volnation is much like a special interest group. Organized by one interest, which is the enjoyment of Tennessee athletics.

What I'm trying to get at in all of this is if the fans truly want Fulmer gone why hasn't there been a big enough effort to organize and make a statement. I'm not a Fulmer fan by no means, but it seems like the voice is getting louder and louder and if you want to ensure the "well-being" of the program you should organize and do something.

....or maybe I have it wrong, maybe getting on a message board and complianing is enough of an organized effort to do something about the situation. I'm also well aware of the "Don't show up at the game" efforts and also the "hit them in the checkbooks" ways of thinking. I also haven't seen much of that in here this week which leads me to belive that people are starting to just not care.

Therefore some questions:

Do you think posting on the message board actually does something about anything?

What kind of organized effort would really let Hamilton know that the fans are fed up?

Do you see an organized effort currently going on or in the works?

Who would lead the pro and anti efforts be that locally or nationally?
 
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I'm totally with you about how an organized effort does typically go a long way. However, I think in this situation, the people with the big bucks are the ones who are going to really let MH know about how fed up they are. 1,300 concerned (pissed off, irate, suicidal :) )East TN hillbilly fans means about as much to MH as a fart in a windstorm. So uniting them and having a strong unified "Fire Fulmer" message isn't going to say much cause we don't have the bank.

Lastly, I think the one big thing that can make a difference (besides boosters which is number 1) is that when so much anti-Fulmer talk gets spread to the media, via the internet, newspapers, magazines, ESPN Sportcenter, etc. All of that media tends to have a big effect.

Give it time, change is coming.
 
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Fulmer is feeling the heat and he would be crazy to come back next year. He knows his time is past.
I honestly look for him to step down after the Kentucky game. :crossfingers:
One would be crazy to think that message boards and talk radio can't have an effect on things inside the football program today.
With all of the advances in the media as TacomaJPP pointed out.The world has become very small and i think that Fulmer sees the walls closing in on him.
 
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TacomaJPP said:
I'm totally with you about how an organized effort does typically go a long way. However, I think in this situation, the people with the big bucks are the ones who are going to really let MH know about how fed up they are. 1,300 concerned (pissed off, irate, suicidal :) )East TN hillbilly fans means about as much to MH as a fart in a windstorm. So uniting them and having a strong unified "Fire Fulmer" message isn't going to say much cause we don't have the bank.

Lastly, I think the one big thing that can make a difference (besides boosters which is number 1) is that when so much anti-Fulmer talk gets spread to the media, via the internet, newspapers, magazines, ESPN Sportcenter, etc. All of that media tends to have a big effect.

Give it time, change is coming.
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After the Florida game it was at surplus in the local (Tennessee Media) and nipping at the heels of the National Media (Cowherd, ESPN First Take) but after the Georgia win it was shot down quickly.

I was really wanting to know what everyone thought about the impact of the internet postings and blogs. The media sees the blogs and message boards as crap but I really think some kind of E:60, HBO Real Sports report is over due about them.

The whole anonymous aspect of them intrigues me. As in, the guy you're talking to, quoting, and so on could either be a toothless redneck in Sneedville or a Man of Stature at UT. Going further, the lurkers who look. Who are they?

I played ball in college, even though it was small school baseball, I still searched around for Message Boards that talked about our team and others in our conference and saw what they said. I also know others that also did. I know for a fact that our Asst. Coach looked on that same Message Board, daily.

In a nutshell, message boards intrigue the hell out of me.

Edit: For an example, something like this. (CLICK HERE)
 
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AND THEN....you have the Gatorzone board calling for Urban Meyer's head after their 2 losses and that does nothing for creating credibility for a forum....
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
One would be crazy to think that message boards and talk radio can't have an effect on things inside the football program today.
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True, but you will never see a traditional media person say or try to go out and investigate something like that. Going on what I'm saying in the original topic, Organize or Perish, these traditional media types see blogs as threats towards thier jobs.
 
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Business said:
When I was a Freshman in college I took a US History class. I remember the professor teaching us "Organize or Perish" basically meaning that people with a common interest throughout history had to organize and make thier voice heard or their well being, theology, ways of life, agendas, etc. would be in jeopardy.

This brought about interest groups (NAACP, NRA, and on a smaller scale hunting groups, car clubs, ect.)

The Volnation is much like a special interest group. Organized by one interest, which is the enjoyment of Tennessee athletics.

What I'm trying to get at in all of this is if the fans truley want Fulmer gone why hasn't there been a big enough effort to organize and make a statement. I'm not a Fulmer fan by no means, but it seems like the voice is getting louder and louder and if you want to ensure the "well-being" of the program you should organize and do something.

....or maybe I have it wrong, maybe getting on a message board and complianing is enough of an organized effort to do something about the situation. I'm also well aware of the "Don't show up at the game" efforts and also the "hit them in the checkbooks" ways of thinking. I also haven't seen much of that in here this week which leads me to belive that people are starting to just not care.

Therefore some questions:

Do you think posting on the message board actually does something about anything?

What kind of organized effort would really let Hamilton know that the fans are fed up?

Do you see an organized effort currently going on or in the works?

Who would lead the pro and anti efforts be that locally or nationally?
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By the way.......a very impressive post.....Organize or Perish is in our everday life......from a relationship to the raising of your children and not only good for the NAACP, NRA etc......Matter of fact.....I just might put "Organize or Perish" somewhere I will see it when I get out of bed!! Thank you for that!!
 
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goodolerockytop2 said:
By the way.......a very impressive post.....Organize or Perish is in our everday life......from a relationship to the raising of your children and not only good for the NAACP, NRA etc......Matter of fact.....I just might put "Organize or Perish" somewhere I will see it when I get out of bed!! Thank you for that!!
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In laymen's terms it's pretty much, "get your s*** together, or you will fail" so yes the theory is interchangable in about every walk of life.
 
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Hamilton is only concerned about money. Send him five grand he will give you five minutes of his time. At which point he would disagree with you. Tell you that CPF is the greatest thing since sliced bread and thanks for the cash.
 
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Do you think posting on the message board actually does something about anything?

NO. Some people in the program may look, but I doubt it has much effect. Hamilton has basically said he doesn't care what Joe Sixpack average fan thinks.


What kind of organized effort would really let Hamilton know that the fans are fed up?

It has been said many times before here and elsewhere that the only thing that matters is money, whether it be from rich boosters or where ever it may hurt their pocket book. The one thing I can see the average fan doing to make an impact is to stop showing up for games. Twenty thousand empty seats will get their attention in a hurry!


Do you see an organized effort currently going on or in the works?

NO


Who would lead the pro and anti efforts be that locally or nationally?


??
 
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Organization is a good idea in a lot of circumstances. In the late 1800's early 1900s labor unions organized and fought for workers rights. In the late 1700s a bunch of people organized because they were tired of paying senseless taxes by the brits. In the 60s black people organized in order to gain equal rights. Those are all great cases for organization.
In the case of the Tennessee Vols. We have a huge fan base, and are all united under the banner of the Orange and White, so this establishes a common interest. However this house is divided, some say fire him, some say dont. When we do organize, we need to be classy about this so our point will be considered. If go about it like the FLA fans in dealing with ron zook or something like that we will be blown off. I also think that our stance should NOT be an attack on CPF. I think we should emphasize on its time for a change, and basically state that we, as a loyal fanbase, think that the game of football has taken a different course and we are being left behind. thoughts?
 
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An organized effort would have to be respectful to be taken seriously. This let's chant "Fire Phil" is nonsence. That will only make Tennessee look like, as hatvol says, rubes.
 
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Big Orange Nation said:
Do you think posting on the message board actually does something about anything?

NO. Some people in the program may look, but I doubt it has much effect. Hamilton has basically said he doesn't care what Joe Sixpack average fan thinks.
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When organizing something you can't go Shock and Awe on the head man making the decision. You must canoodle the from the bottom to have a built influance the tops decision.
 
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Do you think posting on the message board actually does something about anything?

Nope

What kind of organized effort would really let Hamilton know that the fans are fed up?

TP his yard....that should really send a message

Do you see an organized effort currently going on or in the works?

Negative

Who would lead the pro and anti efforts be that locally or nationally?

Boosters and boosters?
 
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The immediately dismissive tone people(administrations,media) take regarding what is said on message boards is to a large degree understandable. These boards do tend to be mosh pits of emotion. But I think both parties pay far more attention to them in reality than they are willing to let on. When one actually takes time to look, there is usually someone making well thought out commentary on the state of the program. In fact, there have been many moments when I would have sworn that a commentary seen in my local paper had been gleaned from these very pages the day before.

That they say they pay no attention does not make it so.

Of course, Hamilton is a business man, and a good one at that. He knows now what will or will not happen. There is simply no way he is going to share that information right now. Whatever will be, will be. It is for us to wait and see...
 
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I chuckle at all the, what is it you all call them here, "NegaVols"? I chuckle that they actually think their rambling on VolNation (or any other board), their paper bags and their cute little chants are going to accomplish a damn thing. They come up with these childish ideas because that is their mentality. They don't understand what they need to do to accomplish their goal, because they don't even understand the game of football enough to realize their goal is far fetched and unreasonable. Now, if the Vols do lose out, or even if they lose to SC and UK they will be in a position to make a statement, but posting here won't do it, and paperbags and chants won't do it.
 
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Neyland's Ghost said:
I chuckle at all the, what is it you all call them here, "NegaVols"? I chuckle that they actually think their rambling on VolNation (or any other board), their paper bags and their cute little chants are going to accomplish a damn thing. They come up with these childish ideas because that is their mentality. They don't understand what they need to do to accomplish their goal, because they don't even understand the game of football enough to realize their goal is far fetched and unreasonable. Now, if the Vols do lose out, or even if they lose to SC and UK they will be in a position to make a statement, but posting here won't do it, and paperbags and chants won't do it.
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You've been looking for a huckleberry all week haven't you. My whole question set, fell on a theory. It was intended for people to you know get intellectual. Think a little bit instead of puttin' in a dip and sayin' "Hey By-god we gots to fire em' all".
 
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Neyland's Ghost said:
I chuckle at all the, what is it you all call them here, "NegaVols"? I chuckle that they actually think their rambling on VolNation (or any other board), their paper bags and their cute little chants are going to accomplish a damn thing. They come up with these childish ideas because that is their mentality. They don't understand what they need to do to accomplish their goal, because they don't even understand the game of football enough to realize their goal is far fetched and unreasonable. Now, if the Vols do lose out, or even if they lose to SC and UK they will be in a position to make a statement, but posting here won't do it, and paperbags and chants won't do it.
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Listen to this man. He's attended every home game played in the last 48 hours. He's an expert on the inner workings of college football.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Listen to this man. He's attended every home game played in the last 48 hours. He's an expert on the inner workings of college football.
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He also saw a group of coeds throw their panties at Fulmer when his name was announced at the Georgia game.
 
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I don't know if there is an organized resistance to be had or whether, even if one was put together, it would make a difference. Some sort of formal protest might have the opposite effect of what you want because the administration, for the sake of future hires, cannot be seen as yielding to the desires of disgruntled fans. If the fans did do something like that, I gurantee you that you'd be on ESPN and the backlash against you would be fierce and you'd be putting people into a corner that they'd have to fight back from.

As far as the site is concerned, I can tell you that in my work my cases or clients are often in the news and when that happens we always read the blogs that the media put up with the stories, if for no other reason than being curious to see if our "read" is shared by others. I suspect that this site is viewed a bit more frequently by the higher-ups than you may realize. They will never acknolwedge it for obvious reasons, but I do suspect that they check in from time to time.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't know if there is an organized resistance to be had or whether, even if one was put together, it would make a difference. Some sort of formal protest might have the opposite effect of what you want because the administration, for the sake of future hires, cannot be seen as yielding to the desires of disgruntled fans. If the fans did do something like that, I gurantee you that you'd be on ESPN and the backlash against you would be fierce and you'd be putting people into a corner that they'd have to fight back from.

As far as the site is concerned, I can tell you that in my work my cases or clients are often in the news and when that happens we always read the blogs that the media put up with the stories, if for no other reason than being curious to see if our "read" is shared by others. I suspect that this site is viewed a bit more frequently by the higher-ups than you may realize. They will never acknolwedge it for obvious reasons, but I do suspect that they check in from time to time.
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Yeah, fireronzook.com just killed Florida when it came time to hire a new coach.
 
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If I'm not mistaken Tennessee contracts this computer company. The "thing" this company does is get on the internet and checks out the internet buzz about a certain brand, of course Tennessee being the University and such.

I wish I remember the name of the company. I will do some research and come back with what I find.
 
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