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#126
https://www.quora.com/In-the-US-How...-annually-donate-or-spend-on-helping-the-poor

"The Economist estimates the Catholic Church spent $171,600,000,000 in 2010 (worldwide figures) (cf. Page on patheos.com). Overall giving in the US was $260.3B in 2005 (How Much is Given?). If you want a comparison figure, the budget for food stamps was $6.4B in 2009."

It's been said, if California were a nation it would have the world's 4th largest economy.

"Governor Jerry Brown announced his fiscal year 2016 budget proposal on January 9, 2015. This proposal recommended $113.3 billion in general fund spending, ..."

So, in 2010, Catholic Charities spent $171.6B to California's $131.3B general fund for 2016. $40B more.
And that's just the Catholics.

Mmmm...

And this complete article should be read for the satisfaction it brings.

DoNation | Donor Intent | The Philanthropy Roundtable

"...This is different from the patterns in any other country. Per capita, Americans voluntarily donate something like seven times as much as continental Europeans. Even our kissing cousins the Canadians, whose culture resembles ours in so many other ways, give to charity at substantially lower rates, and at half the total volume of an American household.
There are many reasons for this American distinction. Foremost is the fact that ours is the most religious nation in the industrial world. Religion motivates giving more than any other factor. ..."
 
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#127
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joevol33 said:
I want partly to be upset at the way you make fun of us, but I'm just gonna say I'm sorry that you hate us and God so much. I don't know why, but I don't believe you just read the bible one day and woke up hating Christians. Whatever the true reason I honestly pray that you'll see that though there are hypocrites (there are in every way of life), we're not all trying to trick people. When we say we care, it's because we do. When we try to tell you God loves you, it's because we truly believe that. I'm not being smart or funny, just really sorry you have those feelings for us.
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I don't hate christians.. but I do believe you are ill-informed about the book you read and the religion you follow. 99.9% of christians have no idea how the bible came to be or how any of the christian traditions came to be. The other .1% lives in the vatican.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
https://www.quora.com/In-the-US-How...-annually-donate-or-spend-on-helping-the-poor

"The Economist estimates the Catholic Church spent $171,600,000,000 in 2010 (worldwide figures) (cf. Page on patheos.com). Overall giving in the US was $260.3B in 2005 (How Much is Given?). If you want a comparison figure, the budget for food stamps was $6.4B in 2009."

It's been said, if California were a nation it would have the world's 4th largest economy.

"Governor Jerry Brown announced his fiscal year 2016 budget proposal on January 9, 2015. This proposal recommended $113.3 billion in general fund spending, ..."

So, in 2010, Catholic Charities spent $171.6B to California's $131.3B general fund for 2016. $40B more.
And that's just the Catholics.

Mmmm...

And this complete article should be read for the satisfaction it brings.

DoNation | Donor Intent | The Philanthropy Roundtable

"...This is different from the patterns in any other country. Per capita, Americans voluntarily donate something like seven times as much as continental Europeans. Even our kissing cousins the Canadians, whose culture resembles ours in so many other ways, give to charity at substantially lower rates, and at half the total volume of an American household.
There are many reasons for this American distinction. Foremost is the fact that ours is the most religious nation in the industrial world. Religion motivates giving more than any other factor. ..."
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the source of your first link...

The Economist Estimates the Catholic Church Spent $171,600,000,000 in 2010

The Economist estimates that annual spending by the church and entities owned by the church was around $170 billion in 2010 (the church does not release such figures). We think 57% of this goes on health-care networks, followed by 28% on colleges, with parish and diocesan day-to-day operations accounting for just 6% and national charitable activities just 2.7% (see chart)
 
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SuperDave said:
the source of your first link...

The Economist Estimates the Catholic Church Spent $171,600,000,000 in 2010

The Economist estimates that annual spending by the church and entities owned by the church was around $170 billion in 2010 (the church does not release such figures). We think 57% of this goes on health-care networks, followed by 28% on colleges, with parish and diocesan day-to-day operations accounting for just 6% and national charitable activities just 2.7% (see chart)
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This really such a stupid response. Health care is fairly important and needed.
 
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allvol123 said:
This really such a stupid response. Health care is fairly important and needed.
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Horrible people I'll tell you...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_health_care

The Roman Catholic Church is the largest non-government provider of health care services in the world. It has around 18,000 clinics, 16,000 homes for the elderly and those with special needs, and 5,500 hospitals, with 65 percent of them located in developing countries.
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allvol123 said:
It was literally a ridiculous response. The money was not pinpointed to exactly his choosing, thus it is not charitable giving. The Church of Super Dave and His Seven Imbeciles.
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I can't think of anything more charitable than going into some third world cesspool and providing medical services.

You just learn to take his posts with a grain of salt.
 
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SuperDave said:
This is the problem.. you guys think if christians aren't there to do it... it wont happen.. which is ridiculous.
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That is not what he said.

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Take christian generosity out of the mix.. but being generous from fear of punishment or for a reward in the afterlife isn't all that noble. But anyway.. take that away and for some reason you guys think that's the end of it.. nothing can fill that void but only christians. Take that away and guess what.. others would do it.
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That is what is called justification for your position. And it is a flaccid attempt. You hate Christianity. We all get it. And I'll bet that most of the Christians on here don't hate you for that but rather pity you.

And I would love to see muslim charitable organisations step in and work in some of these impoverished areas such as Haiti... oh wait... they are primarily a Christian nation. Maybe the Philippines after a typhoon... um.... no, couldn't have that. But you have seen Christian organizations stepping in in muslim countries when disaster strikes. So yeah, let's wait for the red crescent to step up and fill the vacuum.
 
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SuperDave said:
I don't hate christians.. but I do believe you are ill-informed about the book you read and the religion you follow. 99.9% of christians have no idea how the bible came to be or how any of the christian traditions came to be. The other .1% lives in the vatican.
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This is your problem. You keep telling everybody that they are ignorant, yet you keep dropping all of this garbage like it is true.

So you believe we all evolved from bacteria over whatever period of time, and somehow developed into mating pairs. Wow, glad that worked out. How random. How cool is it that we evolved from apes, yet apes are still here. Didn't they get the memo? If we all evolve into more complex beings, why do we still have bacteria. The truth is that science doesn't support evolution by observation, but only by hypothesis. Scientists have tried to observe evolution sense Darwin, it hasn't happened. Believing this takes tremendous faith.

What you are saying is nothing new. This has been around forever. Denying of God is the work of the devil, and will never stop. It doesn't matter if you believe that or not, I am sure you don't realize it.

Just because you "figured it out", doesn't make it true. It is so great to look at people who try and enlighten us, while claiming to be bible experts. Based on what you have shared, you are not.

One other quick point. It seems to me that we all think we are smarter than the previous generations. This isn't true. That our founders who choose to establish our Country on a foundation of judaeo/christian principals were wrong. What was created was special and unique for that reason.

Now most secular progressives are trying steer us towards the way of Europe. I have news for you, things ain't great over there. And they are about to get worse. Most of this is due to the secular progressive agenda creating such a weak nation that Islam can move in and take over. See Sweden - mission complete. England is falling fast.
 
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gisman said:
This is your problem. You keep telling everybody that they are ignorant, yet you keep dropping all of this garbage like it is true.

So you believe we all evolved from bacteria over whatever period of time, and somehow developed into mating pairs. Wow, glad that worked out. How random. How cool is it that we evolved from apes, yet apes are still here. Didn't they get the memo? If we all evolve into more complex beings, why do we still have bacteria. The truth is that science doesn't support evolution by observation, but only by hypothesis. Scientists have tried to observe evolution sense Darwin, it hasn't happened. Believing this takes tremendous faith.

What you are saying is nothing new. This has been around forever. Denying of God is the work of the devil, and will never stop. It doesn't matter if you believe that or not, I am sure you don't realize it.

Just because you "figured it out", doesn't make it true. It is so great to look at people who try and enlighten us, while claiming to be bible experts. Based on what you have shared, you are not.

One other quick point. It seems to me that we all think we are smarter than the previous generations. This isn't true. That our founders who choose to establish our Country on a foundation of judaeo/christian principals were wrong. What was created was special and unique for that reason.

Now most secular progressives are trying steer us towards the way of Europe. I have news for you, things ain't great over there. And they are about to get worse. Most of this is due to the secular progressive agenda creating such a weak nation that Islam can move in and take over. See Sweden - mission complete. England is falling fast.
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Um you really aren't helping either.

Your second paragraph especially is complete nonsense and shows you don't have any room to criticize him over ignorance.
 
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allvol123 said:
This really such a stupid response. Health care is fairly important and needed.
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This explains it..

"If I go to a Catholic hospital and pay them 1,000 dollars for treatment, and they spend 950 dollars on the procedure (to pay the doctor, buy the tools, etc.) then they made a profit of 50 dollars and SPENT 950. That is my money being filtered through the hostpital as a cost. That would be included in this chart as medical expenditure. There was no charity involved at all. If they cut my bill by 50 dollars as a charity then it would do into the charity category. Nothing in the medical category can be called chartity."
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
That is not what he said.

That is what is called justification for your position. And it is a flaccid attempt. You hate Christianity. We all get it. And I'll bet that most of the Christians on here don't hate you for that but rather pity you.

And I would love to see muslim charitable organisations step in and work in some of these impoverished areas such as Haiti... oh wait... they are primarily a Christian nation. Maybe the Philippines after a typhoon... um.... no, couldn't have that. But you have seen Christian organizations stepping in in muslim countries when disaster strikes. So yeah, let's wait for the red crescent to step up and fill the vacuum.
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yeah.. islam is just as irrelevant as christianity..

your sense of christian charity is over inflated.
what is the main reason they are there?? you know the answer.. now you just have to admit it.
 
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SuperDave said:
This it explains it..

"If I go to a Catholic hospital and pay them 1,000 dollars for treatment, and they spend 950 dollars on the procedure (to pay the doctor, buy the tools, etc.) then they made a profit of 50 dollars and SPENT 950. That is my money being filtered through the hostpital as a cost. That would be included in this chart as medical expenditure. There was no charity involved at all. If they cut my bill by 50 dollars as a charity then it would do into the charity category. Nothing in the medical category can be called chartity."
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Your serious argument is that zero dollars is put towards medical charity by Catholic churches and/or Catholic charities? This would really be your absolutely idiotic stance?
 
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allvol123 said:
Your serious argument is that zero dollars is put towards medical charity by Catholic churches and/or Catholic charities? This would really be your absolutely idiotic stance?
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You did notice he ignores my posts on the matter. Because they blow his nonsense out of the water.
 
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allvol123 said:
Your serious argument is that zero dollars is put towards medical charity by Catholic churches and/or Catholic charities? This would really be your absolutely idiotic stance?
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ughh.. it would go into the charity portion of the chart if there was charity involved..
 
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SuperDave said:
I don't hate christians.. but I do believe you are ill-informed about the book you read and the religion you follow. 99.9% of christians have no idea how the bible came to be or how any of the christian traditions came to be. The other .1% lives in the vatican.
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There are over 5000 copies of the new testament in Greek alone. Many more thousands in Latin, coptic, Syriac, Gothic, Armenian, Ethiopic and Slavic. There is no other work from antiquity that is attested as the new testament. Besides errors from copying, spelling etc they all agree. They have the same details etc. We have papyrus from the gospel of John that dates to around 125 ad. For anyone to suggest that the new testament isn't well attested is just plain dishonest or uniformed. The new testament is solid.

When Christianity started the gospels went out into the world. It was never in the hands of a certain group. It's been copied and recopied down through the centuries in multiple languages. Yet they overwhelmingly agree. Textual criticism is something that I have personally studied and am confident that if you study Erhman you will see that he stands on shaky ground.

I doubt that you have seriously studied this issue and probably aren't familiar with Koine Greek or textual criticism. Textual criticism allows us to compare all of the thousands of copies to one another and from that process we feel confident that we have what Matthew, Mark and Luke etc wrote.

You mentioned the vatican. The Catholic Church looks nothing like it did in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th centuries. I'm not Catholic but I think keeping everything in context is important.
 
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SuperDave said:
yeah.. islam is just as irrelevant as christianity..

your sense of christian charity is over inflated.
what is the main reason they are there?? you know the answer.. now you just have to admit it.
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I've been in a dessert somewhere in a foreign country and we did share God's love with them by helping them build houses etc etc etc. Love is an action and God's love is absolutely free. That is how He really is. People who are poor going into a foreign country living in terrible conditions showing the love of God for free. That is Christianity. We didn't go to earn something or get something. We went to give something for free. You do not know as much as you think. You are confusing religion with a real relationship with Jesus Christ.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Um you really aren't helping either.

Your second paragraph especially is complete nonsense and shows you don't have any room to criticize him over ignorance.
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Micro evolution. When has science ever observed life coming from nothing or more information being added to a species DNA?
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Um you really aren't helping either.

Your second paragraph especially is complete nonsense and shows you don't have any room to criticize him over ignorance.
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This post is what is complete nonsense. How does that feel? You just did what you are implying that he did.
 
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