Open Practice Highlights

#101
#101
I know ttheres ?s with the OL and with the WRs always injured its hard to tell with them...

but I love the development of these players! Butch and staff getting it done. The wins are coming...
 
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#102
#102
salutethehill said:
Don't forget the SC win, which required a miracle. Luckily they obliged.
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Always feel SO bad for the HBC when his team collapses and/or he burns all his timeouts being a smartass and then loses to Tennessee.

NOT.

*snicker* Throw that visor, Steve. Just throw it.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Depends on who you ask. I'm sure you'll run across some of his posts at some point.
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Just did. Quite enjoyed the post so I'll take it as a compliment.

Usually don't multi-quote to THAT level, but there were just so many opportunities for fun in this thread. Considering the slathering of hyperbole in a couple of others, maybe I'll find an opportunity to do so again soon.

:rolleyes:
 
#107
#107
utvols74 said:
Until our O-line tears holes somewhat consistently (for running lanes) in an SEC defensive front, I'll reserve judgement. Its been sooooo long since that happened I can barely remember.

We generally had O-lines like this in the 90s. Back then if wasn't unusual for UT to sustain 70+ yard drives regularly.
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Wr should hire Fulmer as OL coach.
 
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MarkVols said:
This guy loves drinking haterade. Speaking of Dobbs, I'm pretty sure that last year he practiced with the 2nd string and still surprised a powerhouse after burning the redshirt. Please tell me a Qb in CFB that is will be better against SEC defenses this year. I will tell you, zero.
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Dak Prescott...
 
#113
#113
People around here have no idea of the meaning of context. You can't have things both ways.

I think its pretty much consensus we have at least pretty good D-line and 2 of the better D-linemen in the country along with 2-3 newcomers that could/should easily be in that conversation soon. So saying our O-line sucks going against one of the best/scariest Dlines in the nation is a bit of an overreaction. If our Dline is as good as some (including me) think it is then if our O-line can make it through practices without more than 2 QB's dying they did ok. if nothing else if our D-Line is half as good as we think after facing them in practice going against most of our schedule should be a relative cakewalk for them.

As far as Dobbs goes. I think he masked the improvement of the O-line by end of season. Yes, he made their jobs easier, but he also put them in a position to learn. With Worley (who I think deserves a lot more credit for what he did behind that line than he got) the gameplan for defenses was simple, pin your ears back and "Kill the QB". Dobbs mobility changed that making defenses have ot sit back a bit more and blitz less. Bascially he slowed down defenses. No matter how good your O-line if they know your QB pretty much has to pass then keeping him on his feet is not an easy task. worley was not fit for this type of offense because though you don't have to be a "great" runner you have to present some threat of taking off. that being said I think if Worley does not go down when he did our season stil ends much the same as it did recordwise.

Dobbs will be a better QB than he was last year. Opponents also have 6 mor games of tape on him though. The offense is dependent on both the oline and Dobbs improving the thing is neither has to improve by leaps and bounds as some tyhink both just need to improve incrementally game by game. That and healthy wideouts will make a huge difference. I personally think Croom having a breakout/healthy season would change the whole face of this offense. Having 2-3 big targets (Wolfe, Croom, North) is a massive boon to a Qb who is not so accurate.
 
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#114
#114
pimo1 said:
People around here have no idea of the meaning of context. You can't have things both ways.

I think its pretty much consensus we have at least pretty good D-line and 2 of the better D-linemen in the country along with 2-3 newcomers that could/should easily be in that conversation soon. So saying our O-line sucks going against one of the best/scariest Dlines in the nation is a bit of an overreaction. If our Dline is as good as some (including me) think it is then if our O-line can make it through practices without more than 2 QB's dying they did ok. if nothing else if our D-Line is half as good as we think after facing them in practice going against most of our schedule should be a relative cakewalk for them.

As far as Dobbs goes. I think he masked the improvement of the O-line by end of season. Yes, he made their jobs easier, but he also put them in a position to learn. With Worley (who I think deserves a lot more credit for what he did behind that line than he got) the gameplan for defenses was simple, pin your ears back and "Kill the QB". Dobbs mobility changed that making defenses have ot sit back a bit more and blitz less. Bascially he slowed down defenses. No matter how good your O-line if they know your QB pretty much has to pass then keeping him on his feet is not an easy task. worley was not fit for this type of offense because though you don't have to be a "great" runner you have to present some threat of taking off. that being said I think if Worley does not go down when he did our season stil ends much the same as it did recordwise.

Dobbs will be a better QB than he was last year. Opponents also have 6 mor games of tape on him though. The offense is dependent on both the oline and Dobbs improving the thing is neither has to improve by leaps and bounds as some tyhink both just need to improve incrementally game by game. That and healthy wideouts will make a huge difference. I personally think Croom having a breakout/healthy season would change the whole face of this offense. Having 2-3 big targets (Wolfe, Croom, North) is a massive boon to a Qb who is not so accurate.
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I've been thinking the same thing, you got it spot on.
 
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pimo1 said:
People around here have no idea of the meaning of context. You can't have things both ways.

I think its pretty much consensus we have at least pretty good D-line and 2 of the better D-linemen in the country along with 2-3 newcomers that could/should easily be in that conversation soon. So saying our O-line sucks going against one of the best/scariest Dlines in the nation is a bit of an overreaction. If our Dline is as good as some (including me) think it is then if our O-line can make it through practices without more than 2 QB's dying they did ok. if nothing else if our D-Line is half as good as we think after facing them in practice going against most of our schedule should be a relative cakewalk for them.
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I think people expect our D-line to win often against the O. We also expect our D to beat other sec olines.
The concern seems to be that a few of our oline have been beaten like a jr high team.... Sometimes by freshmen.
There's just not a positive spin for that.
 
#117
#117
Was no element of surprise in these drills. DL and especially the DE's have a distinct advantage here..

I wouldn't panic..
 
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#118
#118
gunner said:
I did NOT say he was completly unproven! I said he was unproven against top SEC defenses.

If I remember correctly Bama coasted to a win, and a lot of teams scored a lot of points on that Bama defense last year, not just UT.
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Bama qualified as a top D. In about 3 qtrs., Dobbs led UT to 20 pts.... and don't give me the "coasted" stuff. Saban was royally hacked off.

I think it is fair to say that UT would of scored once more had Dobbs started instead of Peterman. At 27 pts while knocking off the rust and playing behind a porous OL.... only OSU and Auburn would have scored more points.

Behind Dobbs (and remember the OL and that they were missing a starter that game), UT had the third highest rushing total vs Bama and the 2nd highest ypc.

Dobbs needs to beat a ranked team this fall, Oklahoma would be a great start. Then going down to UF and getting a win in the Swamp would be huge step in wining the East. That would set up a huge match-up's in Neyland against Arkansas and Georgia. If Dobbs beats Arkansas, he will have earned a lot of respect, beating UGA the following week and go to Bama 6-0 would have the Vols ranked in the top 10.
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Exactly why does that all lie at Dobbs' feet. He isn't the OL coach... which is much more questionable right now than he is.

3-3 to start with the offensive line that UT has seems to be a reasonable expectation, 4-2 with a win in the Swamp. 5-1 if they can get past Arkansas, and 6-0 if Dobbs is truely the savior of UT football that many on her claim him to be.
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I've only seen one guy act like he was UT's savior.

You are engaging in some pretty heavy hyperbole aren't you?
 
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#119
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Pacer92 said:
Was no element of surprise in these drills. DL and especially the DE's have a distinct advantage here..

I wouldn't panic..
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The thing is, in those drills, do we even know what technique/fundamentals the coaches are stressing.. All we see is a couple of 2 minute clips.. I can not make a valid assessment from what I have watched to this point. I am going to erase the play of the oline from last year out of my mind and remain optimistic for 2015.. As a fan, it's all I can do is remain hopeful the oline can hold its own!
 
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#120
VoL The Impaler said:
The thing is, in those drills, do we even know what technique/fundamentals the coaches are stressing.. All we see is a couple of 2 minute clips.. I can not make a valid assessment from what I have watched to this point.
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Yep, this exactly.

A lot of folks who are following the OLine's progress this camp will remember the rep where Kerbyson beat Barnett, then lifted one arm in mock salute while Derek stalked off a little perturbed.

In that play, I"m positive the coaches had the players practicing a particular technique. The way Derek went through the rep was so completely unlike his normal style that there's no way he wasn't required to "do it a certain way."

It's called practice.

Many reps are to practice a specific stunt or technique, fundamentals or scheme. And we the observers never know what that is, because the coaches aren't telling us (or the media guys who bring it to us).

So Vlad's dead-on right, we gotta take everything we see with a big grain of "idk everything that's happening here" salt.

Go Vols!
 
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#121
#121
terrypedigo said:
He is the major weakness on the OL, someone has to step up and do a better job than him, i think you put a Freshmen and learn on the fly, Thomas just cant get it done at a high level, let Jones or Richmond learn on the fly they got the talent by mid season, with there talent they will be able to hold there own against elite talent, THOMAS just cant do the job.
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Have a feeling after Thomas costs us the OU and UF games he will be pulled. Jones will come in and work through his freshman lumps in time to look good as UT dominates the 5 weaker teams at the end of the schedule. That has been out M.O. for years
 
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VoL The Impaler said:
The thing is, in those drills, do we even know what technique/fundamentals the coaches are stressing.. All we see is a couple of 2 minute clips.. I can not make a valid assessment from what I have watched to this point. I am going to erase the play of the oline from last year out of my mind and remain optimistic for 2015.. As a fan, it's all I can do is remain hopeful the oline can hold its own!
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I agree. Not making excuses but I think judgement now is unfair until we've played some games. Not to mention, there are SEVERAL future NFL players on our defense now.
 
#123
#123
VFL-82-JP said:
Yep, this exactly.

A lot of folks who are following the OLine's progress this camp will remember the rep where Kerbyson beat Barnett, then lifted one arm in mock salute while Derek stalked off a little perturbed.

In that play, I"m positive the coaches had the players practicing a particular technique. The way Derek went through the rep was so completely unlike his normal style that there's no way he wasn't required to "do it a certain way."

It's called practice.

Many reps are to practice a specific stunt or technique, fundamentals or scheme. And we the observers never know what that is, because the coaches aren't telling us (or the media guys who bring it to us).

So Vlad's dead-on right, we gotta take everything we see with a big grain of "idk everything that's happening here" salt.

Go Vols!
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Idk JP. It may be possible that many of these posters have a legitimate point and opinion. For example, (as already stated) it's not that the defensive player wins, but how badly they beat some of our potential starters.

I know the mantra here about "that was team 118, not team 119" but let's accept a little reality. We had one of the worst lines in fb last year. For people to look for signs of decent progress and not be excited, isn't exactly the stretch that some are trying to make it into.
 
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#124
chargervol said:
Idk JP. It may be possible that many of these posters have a legitimate point and opinion. For example, (as already stated) it's not that the defensive player wins, but how badly they beat some of our potential starters.

I know the mantra here about "that was team 118, not team 119" but let's accept a little reality. We had one of the worst lines in fb last year. For people to look for signs of decent progress and not be excited, isn't exactly the stretch that some are trying to make it into.
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Oh, I agree. When KMac knocks the ever-loving stuffing out of our presumptive starting RT, bowling him onto his butt within 1.5 seconds of the snap, there's definitely a mismatch there worth worrying about.

Just saying that we don't always know to what extent guys have "one hand tied behind their back" a la Barnett in that one rep I mentioned.

In other words, we're looking through the glass, darkly. And shouldn't assume we have clarity of vision.

That's all I meant, Charger. :)
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Oh, I agree. When KMac knocks the ever-loving stuffing out of our presumptive starting RT, bowling him onto his butt within 1.5 seconds of the snap, there's definitely a mismatch there worth worrying about.

Just saying that we don't always know to what extent guys have "one hand tied behind their back" a la Barnett in that one rep I mentioned.

In other words, we're looking through the glass, darkly. And shouldn't assume we have clarity of vision.

That's all I meant, Charger. :)
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Oh I know. I just wish on occasion, when the OL wins, they did so as convincingly.
I become torn - "wow, did you see the way K-Mac just destroyed that guy?!.... Oh... that was our guy getting destroyed". Hrrrmmmpphhh.
 
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