One thing I noticed about HB

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Gandalf said:
Yes, he can sling it but as JPS mentioned, it is his ability to feel pressure and side step it or take off with it that is sorely needed. JG is tough as and immobile as a rock. Bailey has gotten himself out of several bad situations with his feet and awareness and those abilities are only going to improve as he continues playing.

It is also Bailey's ability to throw it where the receiver WILL be instead of where they are. Soooooooo friggen often receivers either had to stop or backtrack to get a ball JG threw or he sent them a bullet from 5 feet away. Bailey is a pleasure to watch when he throws.

I will say JT also has a good arm.
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These were 3 of my main critiques of JG. He's simply not mobile, doesn't feel pressue, and throws the ball at max strength when a WR is 10 yards or less away.

Nice to see HB be the exact opposite of JG. He gets timing down with the 1st string offense and he'll be rolling.
 
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Lack of arm strength is his biggest glaring weakness. I know many don't know what to look for or how to tell, but there are different factors, ie release (how quick, where?) Unfortunately, HB has a bit of a windup and doesn't get it out as quickly as he will need to. He can work on all of that technique stuff, but the arm strength MAY improve enough to take the next step.
 
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rocketskates said:
I agree and when he makes his reads and there are no receivers open down field he will always look to the runningback. On many pass plays the runningback is there as a bailout for the quarterback if no one else is open. JG rarely used that option and would just fire it into double coverage.
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Worse than that. JG didn't even "sell" the notion that he was going to find a downfield receiver. That's why the dump downs were so seldom effective for him. D's only had to show token coverage and then run to the flats. HB appears to actually be making his read then going through his progressions before dumping down. That's why those guys had more room to operate than they ever did with JG.

The bubble screens worked better too. HB doesn't wind up. He got the ball there quicker and placed so that the runner could make a play after the catch. A comparison of the two on just that play is telling.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Didn't think his arm is that great. More of a west coast type guy. Shorter routes with timing. Not gonna do much with his legs. Give him time and some great WRs and he'll be fine. No where near Brays arm....of Shrouts for that matter.
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Dude he had a couple of balls that were deep but overthrown. He just needs to work with timing with the receivers.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Didn't think his arm is that great. More of a west coast type guy. Shorter routes with timing. Not gonna do much with his legs. Give him time and some great WRs and he'll be fine. No where near Brays arm....of Shrouts for that matter.
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Not gonna do much with his legs??? I'm sorry but we watched a different game. I mean he isn't gonna be's gonna be Dobbs or anything, but he absolutely will be extending drives with his legs.
 
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Carp said:
Not gonna do much with his legs??? I'm sorry but we watched a different game. I mean he isn't gonna be's gonna be Dobbs or anything, but he absolutely will be extending drives with his legs.
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Exactly, the slowest QB on the planet needs to have the ability to sense when its time to go and take what he can get. If all he ever does is get out of the pocket and find the soft spot for 6-8 yards, I'll take it as opposed to standing there like a stone statue until he gets sacked.
 
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You don't have to be a blazer to know when to run and where. Bailey showed that, he made plays with his legs. He took what was there, that is a refreshing thing to see. I have seen faster qb's that didn't have the insticts to run when it was there, Bailey has instincts and that is a very important part of the position. It's one of the things that held JG back, but it's a fast pace game some players have instincts and some don't. It's not something you can teach. Insticts are just as important as speed. GBO!
 
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rusty11 said:
That was Maurer that came in for one play. I thought it was to trick UF into thinking it was a running play. I like HB's presence and he can throw a nice catch on the run swing pass. I though his arm was fine, I think he just throws different speeds for different passes. JG could not do that.
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I like your post.....different velocities depending on conditions like a DB breaking fast requiring a faster ball or a tighter window. I think a QB purposefully increasing ball speed may hinder accuracy and some balls sailing high. In HB's case he's blessed with the raw instincts, such as sensing pressure and reacting quickly. Saturday being his 1st start, he looked really good and will undoubtedly progress with more reps against quality opponents. JTS will be of tremendous help in the future as what was holding him back was reading defensive alignments and setting the offense accordingly. Good defenses hide their true intent with various disguises and CJP should know how to throw these disguises to our QB's during practice. I think UT's QB situation is as good as can be expected due to some of the distractions they've had to deal with this season.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
I think Shrout throws a better deep ball but HB can put more zip on it. Glad to have them both, and I'm glad they are 1 and 2. They're clearly the best QBs on the roster.
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I'd say his arm strength will improve as he matures and goes through strength and conditioning. Getting good coaching on his mechanics will help, too.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
What impressed me the most was his leadership. The way he was talking to Jamir Johnson when he got the unsportsmanlike penalty. They way he communicated with his teammates. JG would've just had that look like he is trying to figure something out.
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I found it really odd that whenever he got sacked, none of his teammates tried to help him up. Just an observation. I just wanna know what the locker room thinks about things
 
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I saw massive capacity in Bailey. Peyton-like game awareness capacity (not there yet, but he sees the field in the same way). Bailey scrambles with vision. He has plenty of arm.

Shrout has a cannon, and/but I saw only one speed- warp-football on a light-rope. Hopefully he can improve his touch throwing.

One of the two needs to transfer... and if they end up at a school w/ a good QB coach, they have the potential to be legendary.
 
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HB throws a good effortless ball. Very catchable, can throw the touch passes. Plenty of arm strength. Accuracy is still TBD. He overthrew all his deep balls which could be an accuracy problem or simply first game adrenaline.

JT throws a ball with zip. A+ arm strength. I haven't seen him throw many balls with touch, but his timing looked good against soft coverage. Accuracy is still TBD and he has a record of questionable throws into coverage and poor game management.

Going forward we should remember that the #1 quality of elite QBs is accuracy. The more accurate QB should play.
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
The kid has an absolute cannon. He can’t quite control it just yet, but when he gets his accuracy down he has so much potential. The deep throws to Hyatt and Jones had a ton of zip. Definitely reminiscent of Tyler Bray in terms of arm strength, hopefully he only got the physical characteristics of Bray.
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I noticed that that Bailey is not JG and for that I am thankful.
 
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Gandalf said:
Yes, he can sling it but as JPS mentioned, it is his ability to feel pressure and side step it or take off with it that is sorely needed. JG is tough as and immobile as a rock. Bailey has gotten himself out of several bad situations with his feet and awareness and those abilities are only going to improve as he continues playing.

It is also Bailey's ability to throw it where the receiver WILL be instead of where they are. Soooooooo friggen often receivers either had to stop or backtrack to get a ball JG threw or he sent them a bullet from 5 feet away. Bailey is a pleasure to watch when he throws.

I will say JT also has a good arm.
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Agree 100%. HB needs the reps, at practice and in game. Cohesion with his receivers will come with time. Unfortunately, Josh Palmer is out of time. He should just opt out, with Cimaglia.
 
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I agree with everything said about
Bailey.

From what I have seen I have no confidence in Weinke's ability to develop them.
 
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Here’s my take on HB from what we seen (not that anyone cares):

The good:
- I seen patience and good pocket awareness (from a clean pocket)
- He went through his progression
- short and intermediate accuracy looked like it should
- Didn’t try and force the ball
- Ran when the time was right

The cause for concern:
- Arm strength to stretch the field vertically
- Deep ball accuracy (both of which means bye bye Hyatt)
- Not good from a dirty pocket
- Can’t escape pressure


Right now, with this team, I see a 6-6 qb. He can improve but with the team performance and recruiting issues I don’t see him getting better than a 7 win qb without a great o line and weapons to help him.

*JTS made HB look average. About what you’d expect from a third year player facing a soft defense vs a freshman. However even though I think Shrout looked better I see Shrout as a 5 win qb as a starter. He’s a gunslinger without the wheels to evade and therefore would take more chances forcing the ball downfield.

Flame away
 
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In reading everyone's response, I agree, it's a bunch of things that point to HB having success. 6'5 230 lbs is a big plus, football IQ is a big plus, arm is a plus but definitely not a cannon and definitely not Bray like, leadership is a plus (gets that for state championship alone) and all the rest of the attributes it takes to play QB seems to be anywhere from avg to good. I don't think HB is all that much better talent wise than any other good QB but the combination of how many things he has going for him from average to above average is what makes his potential so great. If he's a quick study in the film room, a hard worker and likeable in the clubhouse he'll have great success. Those are 3 big ifs we don't know about him just yet but I can see him being good at all three. Nobody likes comparisons to the GOAT of UT QBs but everyone noticed Peyton's happy feet and wobble ball early in his career, I haven't noticed much wrong with HB thus far, he hasn't learned how and when to throw the ball away yet, he will I think. Other than that I like his touch on short throws and screens, his quick reads and his decision making, although I think he needs improvement in the decision making. Biggest fault I had was I thought he played a bit to not do anything to lose the QB1 spot as opposed to trying to take shots to win the game something I think he'll change moving forward. He should make a big jump this next game and show command of the offense and what the staff will be trying to gameplan for.
 
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37620VOL said:
HB throws a good effortless ball. Very catchable, can throw the touch passes. Plenty of arm strength. Accuracy is still TBD. He overthrew all his deep balls which could be an accuracy problem or simply first game adrenaline.

JT throws a ball with zip. A+ arm strength. I haven't seen him throw many balls with touch, but his timing looked good against soft coverage. Accuracy is still TBD and he has a record of questionable throws into coverage and poor game management.

Going forward we should remember that the #1 quality of elite QBs is accuracy. The more accurate QB should play.
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The deep ball for the td required touch. I thought that was good example that he can use it when needed.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
In reading everyone's response, I agree, it's a bunch of things that point to HB having success. 6'5 230 lbs is a big plus, football IQ is a big plus, arm is a plus but definitely not a cannon and definitely not Bray like, leadership is a plus (gets that for state championship alone) and all the rest of the attributes it takes to play QB seems to be anywhere from avg to good. I don't think HB is all that much better talent wise than any other good QB but the combination of how many things he has going for him from average to above average is what makes his potential so great. If he's a quick study in the film room, a hard worker and likeable in the clubhouse he'll have great success. Those are 3 big ifs we don't know about him just yet but I can see him being good at all three. Nobody likes comparisons to the GOAT of UT QBs but everyone noticed Peyton's happy feet and wobble ball early in his career, I haven't noticed much wrong with HB thus far, he hasn't learned how and when to throw the ball away yet, he will I think. Other than that I like his touch on short throws and screens, his quick reads and his decision making, although I think he needs improvement in the decision making. Biggest fault I had was I thought he played a bit to not do anything to lose the QB1 spot as opposed to trying to take shots to win the game something I think he'll change moving forward. He should make a big jump this next game and show command of the offense and what the staff will be trying to gameplan for.
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That’s one other thing I noticed. He was sacked 6 times and no one helped him up. Could be the state of the program or it could speak volumes. At this point, only the locker room knows.
 
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