Oline whiffed on pivotal play

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I was watching part of a replay of the Oklahoms game last night and I noticed that on Hurds fumble then recovery on the 1st play after TKjrs interception on the 29 yard line:

The play was a Hurd running play to the right. The right side of the line blocked well and this would hv been a big gain. There was a Blitz coming from the left end of the line.

The problem was the left tackle tried to block someone and whiffed, so that player was free to run in. But in front of that guy was another player who ran right past our left guard, unblocked. Our left guard didn't even try to block him! He was so confused he ran by him then was looking around for someone to block but there was no one there!

Then our center got beat by the player he was blocking and another guy blitzing from the left ran in too...So, 4 players ran into our backfield from the left side of our Oline.

If they hold those first 3 guys, the guys they were supposed to block, then I doubt the blitzing guy would've caught Hurd and he might've been off to the races.

Either way, we don't lose any yards and should hv at least been able to get a field goal attempt outta that series, which probably would hv sealed the game.

So once again, Oline is still a huge issue that will hold this team down. Many times they couldn't even block the guys standing right in front of them, much less pick up any sort of blitz.

I do agree that Butch should hv noticed that they started blitzing almost every down at he end of the 3rd and beginning of the 4th quarter... I mean, Oklahoma was desperate and they were just really going for it.

However, this is not a champion Oline by any stretch either. If fact, those missed assignments on this one play might hv cost us the game.
 
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Finally someone gets to the heart of the loss, the o-line. Everyone is calling for Butch's head but its one loss to a top 20 team. The past 3 years people were complaining of losses to Vandy and not Oklahoma. I think we are knocking on the door and will kick it open at Florida!
 
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Pretty sure this was when Crowder replaced Robertson at LG due to a sprained ankle
 
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The offensive line is still the missing link.

Richmond, Moseley, Chance hall, Jack Jones, Thomas....

It will get better because there is young talent on the roster but fixing that Oline takes time.
 
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I don't think there are a lot of answers to the Oline problem. Young guys aren't ready and will get schooled by veterans that they play.. Oline is the one position you can't just plug freshmen in unless you get some of those Saban freaks he finds.
 
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Cartervol said:
I don't think there are a lot of answers to the Oline problem. Young guys aren't ready and will get schooled by veterans that they play.. Oline is the one position you can't just plug freshmen in unless you get some of those Saban freaks he finds.
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Not for the big games but you got to get those guys in there Saturday
 
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I really wish I knew what the "analytics" are for choosing which o-linemen to play. I mean, Crowder barely held it together at center last year. Now they put him in at guard when you have other options. It really seems from the outside looking in that some of these coaches are hard headed. Talent is always preferable to work ethic and knowledge of the game in my book. But again, I really don't know the "analytics". As an aside, I wonder if they are coaching Dobbs to throw it away and live to fight another day. I wouldn't take his natural instincts away from him.

I really need to get that "analytic" book. Is that L. Ron Hubbard?!
 
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led0321 said:
The offensive line is still the missing link.

Richmond, Moseley, Chance hall, Jack Jones, Thomas....

It will get better because there is young talent on the roster but fixing that Oline takes time.
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I couldn't agree more. Coaching, lack of depth, penalties, missed opportunities, etc. all played a part in Saturday's loss, but until UT has a decent OL, this team is going to struggle beating anyone who can bring pressure. I don't claim to know anything, but Crowder at OG? I think I would rather give the snaps to Mosley or Jones. There again, I am not at practice every day.
 
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Cartervol said:
I don't think there are a lot of answers to the Oline problem. Young guys aren't ready and will get schooled by veterans that they play.. Oline is the one position you can't just plug freshmen in unless you get some of those Saban freaks he finds.
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and yet we were just beaten by a non Bammer team with frosh on the online ... Tell me more Obi Wan...not!
 
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there were 10 other plays that cost us that game. sure that play was bad but come on. blaming the o-line is just dumb.

5 cant block 6 and 7. hurd had 100+ rushing but im sure he did that all by himself.
 
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Cartervol said:
I don't think there are a lot of answers to the Oline problem. Young guys aren't ready and will get schooled by veterans that they play.. Oline is the one position you can't just plug freshmen in unless you get some of those Saban freaks he finds.
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Agree with your thought, but would rather the Freshman get schooled than the 5th year Seniors. Hopefully they are quick learners.
 
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UrbanCryer said:
there were 10 other plays that cost us that game. sure that play was bad but come on. blaming the o-line is just dumb.

5 cant block 6 and 7. hurd had 100+ rushing but im sure he did that all by himself.
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Our 5 have problems blocking 3 at times. The oline is still the biggest problem with this team.
 
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Confused OL that wasn't
prepared at those positions.

Staff waited way to long to settle on positions.

And then the premenstrual acting babies on that OL thought that missing practice was a good idea.

They got what they deserved.
 
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It's time some of you realize that most of the olineman just aren't very talented and it will continue to be an issue because as recruiting continues younger players will overtake the upper classman. Youth will be an issue for years to come.
 
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It is truly crazy just how good this team could be. With O line misses and screw ups, along with all the errors at other positions, a missed field goal, conservative play calling... any of this doesn't happen and we would have blown them out of the water... if we can fix or mend just a couple of these things, heck just improve on them, we may be able to do some damage this season yet.
 
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tabrams said:
I was watching part of a replay of the Oklahoms game last night and I noticed that on Hurds fumble then recovery on the 1st play after TKjrs interception on the 29 yard line:

The play was a Hurd running play to the right. The right side of the line blocked well and this would hv been a big gain. There was a Blitz coming from the left end of the line.

The problem was the left tackle tried to block someone and whiffed, so that player was free to run in. But in front of that guy was another player who ran right past our left guard, unblocked. Our left guard didn't even try to block him! He was so confused he ran by him then was looking around for someone to block but there was no one there!

Then our center got beat by the player he was blocking and another guy blitzing from the left ran in too...So, 4 players ran into our backfield from the left side of our Oline.

If they hold those first 3 guys, the guys they were supposed to block, then I doubt the blitzing guy would've caught Hurd and he might've been off to the races.

Either way, we don't lose any yards and should hv at least been able to get a field goal attempt outta that series, which probably would hv sealed the game.

So once again, Oline is still a huge issue that will hold this team down. Many times they couldn't even block the guys standing right in front of them, much less pick up any sort of blitz.

I do agree that Butch should hv noticed that they started blitzing almost every down at he end of the 3rd and beginning of the 4th quarter... I mean, Oklahoma was desperate and they were just really going for it.

However, this is not a champion Oline by any stretch either. If fact, those missed assignments on this one play might hv cost us the game.
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Couldn't have been player mistakes. Had to be the coaches fault
 
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UrbanCryer said:
there were 10 other plays that cost us that game. sure that play was bad but come on. blaming the o-line is just dumb.

5 cant block 6 and 7. hurd had 100+ rushing but im sure he did that all by himself.
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He did break a lot of tackles, to be fair. After rewatching, I noticed the same thing the OP noticed. But I think the playcalling had a lot to do with that. If we had thrown some quick passes, Oklahoma wouldn't have been blitzing as much as they did. That was a certain problem.
 
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At this point I'm hoping we get a resounding win over Western Carolina! And be glad it's not Western Kentucky. I just hope the team doesn't have the same hangover from the Oklahoma loss as I do. And before anyone says no way we can lose to WCU go back and look at the Auburn v Jacksonville State game.Butch is always preaching lock and clear. Here's hoping the Vols are listening.
 
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And now I've figured out the excuse that people are going to use when our O-line is bad in year 6 "Butch didn't get good O-linemen until year 3 so while those guys are seniors, their back ups are underclassmen. We can't win without redshirt upperclassmen backing up the starters on the line"
 
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bigdaddy said:
They beat us with the exact same schemes they used last year. Sad
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Correct. So many people want to point out individuals, when in all reality it's the scheme as a whole that needs work. It starts in the trenches and builds from there.
 
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