OLine was better in 2018 vs 2017

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Wow, so we had 1.0 less sacks in 2018 than in 2017. Neat-o. Well, since a sack is defined as tackling the quarterback behind the line of scrimmage with the ball, I’m more interested to see statistics on how many times he was hurried / knocked down or otherwise employed some method of avoiding a sack. Just because he was sacked less doesn’t mean he had less snot-bubbling, de-clearing hits. Bottom line is, that O-Line needs to improve much, much more— period. That sack stat doesn’t mean 💩 to me. JMO.
 
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We had really 2 games last year when the OL actually performed at a good level. Kentucky and Auburn. Funny how those two games were dominant wins and the offense looked good. Was the OL better last year? If, and thats a big if, it was only marginally. We still had the worst OL in the SEC imo. I mean we got abused by Vandy and Missouri.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
We had really 2 games last year when the OL actually performed at a good level. Kentucky and Auburn. Funny how those two games were dominant wins and the offense looked good. Was the OL better last year? If, and thats a big if, it was only marginally. We still had the worst OL in the SEC imo. I mean we got abused by Vandy and Missouri.
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Yeah, it's still a big head scratcher for me on Vandy and Miz. I'd maybe add SC for pretty good OL performance. We're so used to sucking on OL, any improvement seems like alot.
 
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njvols said:
Yeah, it's still a big head scratcher for me on Vandy and Miz. I'd maybe add SC for pretty good OL performance. We're so used to sucking on OL, any improvement seems like alot.
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I forgot about SC. I think I just blocked that game out because it was so horrid. Hopefully Fitzgerald and Friend earn their paychecks this season.
 
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So many stats can be used to measure Oline performance. I don't see overall sacks as the only measure of performance. I think we were dead last in Oline performance when looking at RB contact behind the line of scrimmage. It would be interesting to see how many times JG was pressured as well.
 
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Tennessee Offensive Line plays like a bunch of 9 year old girls...until otherwise demonstrated.

TAF said:
They’ve SUCKED for some time...

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Rush defense was terrible all year long in 2018, offensive linemen that are 270lbs on a good day can't open holes against even mediocre Dlines. Pass-blocking improved over the season, but was nowhere near where it will need to be to actually be considered consistently "good".
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
We had really 2 games last year when the OL actually performed at a good level. Kentucky and Auburn. Funny how those two games were dominant wins and the offense looked good. Was the OL better last year? If, and thats a big if, it was only marginally. We still had the worst OL in the SEC imo. I mean we got abused by Vandy and Missouri.
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Charlotte lined up and beat the ever-loving ish out of our OL as well....I mean, completely dominated it and took its soul. So I’m with you BOT, if the OL was any better, it was so marginal so as not to be noticeable.
 
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DaddyChad said:
So many stats can be used to measure Oline performance. I don't see overall sacks as the only measure of performance. I think we were dead last in Oline performance when looking at RB contact behind the line of scrimmage. It would be interesting to see how many times JG was pressured as well.
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Yep. It was just as ridiculous how many rimes our RB’s were hit 3 yards deep.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Rush defense was terrible all year long in 2018, offensive linemen that are 270lbs on a good day can't open holes against even mediocre Dlines. Pass-blocking improved over the season, but was nowhere near where it will need to be to actually be considered consistently "good".
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Minimal improvement is to be expected. "IF" this group can show a pulse for the majority of the year, it's possible to reach 6 or 7 wins. Maybe?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
We had really 2 games last year when the OL actually performed at a good level. Kentucky and Auburn. Funny how those two games were dominant wins and the offense looked good. Was the OL better last year? If, and thats a big if, it was only marginally. We still had the worst OL in the SEC imo. I mean we got abused by Vandy and Missouri.
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Those were dominant games but really just Kentucky. Things fell into place for UT against Auburn with plays they literally never tried to run again the rest of the year. It was a trap game for Auburn and they sh!t the bed that day. Kentucky was an old fashioned ass whooping. Sadly the offense has -11 consistency.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Oh..so in 2019 JG will only slightly get murdered by opposing teams...
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No. Read the article. The OL was only part of the problem. Sometimes it was RB's. And... sometimes it was JG's inability to make good reads and decisions.

So the part the OL can control... can get better but he'll still "get murdered" if he doesn't start "getting it".
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
We had really 2 games last year when the OL actually performed at a good level. Kentucky and Auburn. Funny how those two games were dominant wins and the offense looked good. Was the OL better last year? If, and thats a big if, it was only marginally. We still had the worst OL in the SEC imo. I mean we got abused by Vandy and Missouri.
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UT was dominant in those two games because they were able to get big plays on 50/50 balls to the sideline. Not everyone had the personnel disadvantages or schemes for that to work.

UT was 6th in sacks allowed last fall vs the SEC. UGA was 5th with only 1 less sack.

Yeah. The OL was bad and this stat is somewhat deceiving. OTOH, part of the blame goes on JG who was too slow with his decisions and didn't make good consistent reads.


UT's OL may have improved a little in pass protection but they were dead last in rushing and last in rush yds per carry for the 2nd year in a row.

UT's OL was bad. UT's QB wasn't any better... and that's how you end up with 20 ppg while allowing 36 ppg vs the SEC.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. Read the article. The OL was only part of the problem. Sometimes it was RB's. And... sometimes it was JG's inability to make good reads and decisions.

So the part the OL can control... can get better but he'll still "get murdered" if he doesn't start "getting it".
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I read the article. Like I said instead of getting full blown first degree premeditated murdered by opposing teams the minuscule improvement this year will lead to more of a 3rd degree felony manslaughter of JG. While he still is a terrible QB its a shame he has to play in constant fear.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I read the article. Like I said instead of getting full blown first degree premeditated murdered by opposing teams the minuscule improvement this year will lead to more of a 3rd degree felony manslaughter of JG. While he still is a terrible QB its a shame he has to play in constant fear.
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He doesn't. The OL stank at run blocking all year but the pass protection got better later in the year. He looked worse while playing injured. I'm not saying they were "good"... only that I don't like that it is considered "sporting" to trash those particular Vols in order to avoid laying blame on JG (not you in that case but pretty common).
 
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TAF said:
Tennessee Offensive Line plays like a bunch of 9 year old girls...until otherwise demonstrated.
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That play against Florida in 2013 when the O Line just stood still and let Peterman get clobbered will always be a mystery to me
 
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sjt18 said:
No. Read the article. The OL was only part of the problem. Sometimes it was RB's. And... sometimes it was JG's inability to make good reads and decisions.

So the part the OL can control... can get better but he'll still "get murdered" if he doesn't start "getting it".
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"The Vols deployed six-, seven- and eight-man protections with some frequency last season. It didn’t always help. Jarrett Guarantano was under heavy duress too often. It wasn’t always the offensive line’s fault. Sometimes those running backs and tight ends used in protection whiffed on their assignments. Guarantano needs to feel the pressure better, too."

"Needs to feel the pressure better too" is far from saying " some sacks are from an inability to read defense and make good decisions."

Of course you misrepresent what is written.

Feeling pressure is completely different from reading d and making decisions. He is good at those as evidenced by his rating and turnover numbers.

The article says what most same people say.

The line didn't block well. Then the backs and tight ends whiffed a bunch of times.

But JG could also sense rushers better.

So the line and blocking were the problem. But JG could feel pressure better.

Nothing about the b.s. you made up.



Your whole shtick is getting sadder and sadder. Just such obvious disdain for the qb of the team you claim to be a fan of.
 
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k-town_king said:
"The Vols deployed six-, seven- and eight-man protections with some frequency last season. It didn’t always help. Jarrett Guarantano was under heavy duress too often. It wasn’t always the offensive line’s fault. Sometimes those running backs and tight ends used in protection whiffed on their assignments. Guarantano needs to feel the pressure better, too."

"Needs to feel the pressure better too" is far from saying " some sacks are from an inability to read defense and make good decisions."

Of course you misrepresent what is written.

Feeling pressure is completely different from reading d and making decisions. He is good at those as evidenced by his rating and turnover numbers.

The article says what most same people say.

The line didn't block well. Then the backs and tight ends whiffed a bunch of times.

But JG could also sense rushers better.

So the line and blocking were the problem. But JG could feel pressure better.

Nothing about the b.s. you made up.



Your whole shtick is getting sadder and sadder. Just such obvious disdain for the qb of the team you claim to be a fan of.
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You are a liar. I don't say that to offend you so much as a just a statement of your behavior. You first lie to yourself... then you filter everything else through that deception and judge others by it.

I don't have "disdain" for JG. I have a pretty significant and growing dislike for you which is pretty uncommon for me. I like most people and am able to separate disagreement from the person themselves. But JG is a flawed football player. I hope he gets better. I want him to be successful. I wish he were now as perfect as you think he is. He simply isn't.

I AM a Vol fan. You pretty obviously are not. You are the fan of a single player... and that's where our differences begin.
 
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