Oklahoma and Texas have reached out to join the SEC (allegedly)

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LWSVOL said:
I do believe a lot of schools will have to give up football over all this. The smaller schools can't survive. The NIL is a huge negative impact to smaller schools. If more programs get what the Miami booster is doing, why would kid go to a small school and not try to land at a bigger program to take advantage of that? I do believe there are going to be plenty of booster will to drop 500K or a couple million in an account to pay players.

Small schools have been at risk for a long time. Breakup of NCAA almost dooms them. I don't how much revenue the NCAA can funnel their way but losing NCAA and going to a conference control situation, there is nothing that says the SEC has to share anything with smaller division schools or any other conference.
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LWS, I don't think it's that dire.

The better players have always wanted to go to the schools that give them the best chance to get to the NFL. Now they'll want to go to the schools that give them the best shot at the NFL and get them more money along the way. Which happen to be the same schools as before. Blue bloods over not, Power 5 over Group of 5, division I over division II.

The other thing that hasn't changed--and won't unless the game itself changes--is that schools can only field so many players, can only give playing time to so many. Even if scholarship vs walk-on is no longer as big a deal as before, given that a non-scholarship player can make enough money to pay for his education and still rake in a lot of dough if he can get the right sponsorships and NIL deals, even if it's no longer about 85 scholarships, it's always going to be about meaningful playing time.

So the top schools will get the best players, and the next schools will get the next best, and so on and so forth until the division II and division III schools get the kids who only play for the love of the game. JUST LIKE it is today.

I don't think this kills football for the have-nots. No more than any of this did before.

Go Vols!
 
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LWSVOL said:
no athletic department can do those upgrades without a drive to get donations for capital improvements. We have never completed Neyland due to lack of funds from donors. Needs to be many millions donated to kick off the rest of improvements.
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And Vanderbilt has declared certain major donors off limits for athletic fundraising efforts because it would reduce contributions to the university general fund.

Dudley has had nothing done in the past 4 decades. Neyland in that same time has added skyboxes on both sidelines, closed an end zone in, replaced field surface, new locker rooms, club seating, facade upgrades, etc.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
LWS, I don't think it's that dire.

The better players have always wanted to go to the schools that give them the best chance to get to the NFL. Now they'll want to go to the schools that give them the best shot at the NFL and get them more money along the way. Which happen to be the same schools as before. Blue bloods over not, Power 5 over Group of 5, division I over division II.

The other thing that hasn't changed--and won't unless the game itself changes--is that schools can only field so many players, can only give playing time to so many. Even if scholarship vs walk-on is no longer as big a deal as before, given that a non-scholarship player can make enough money to pay for his education and still rake in a lot of dough if he can get the right sponsorships and NIL deals, even if it's no longer about 85 scholarships, it's always going to be about meaningful playing time.

So the top schools will get the best players, and the next schools will get the next best, and so on and so forth until the division II and division III schools get the kids who only play for the love of the game. JUST LIKE it is today.

I don't think this kills football for the have-nots. No more than any of this did before.

Go Vols!
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Revenues are going to fall. Schools will have to determine where to make their spending cuts. Some smaller schools may choose football
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
LWS, I don't think it's that dire.

The better players have always wanted to go to the schools that give them the best chance to get to the NFL. Now they'll want to go to the schools that give them the best shot at the NFL and get them more money along the way. Which happen to be the same schools as before. Blue bloods over not, Power 5 over Group of 5, division I over division II.

The other thing that hasn't changed--and won't unless the game itself changes--is that schools can only field so many players, can only give playing time to so many. Even if scholarship vs walk-on is no longer as big a deal as before, given that a non-scholarship player can make enough money to pay for his education and still rake in a lot of dough if he can get the right sponsorships and NIL deals, even if it's no longer about 85 scholarships, it's always going to be about meaningful playing time.

So the top schools will get the best players, and the next schools will get the next best, and so on and so forth until the division II and division III schools get the kids who only play for the love of the game. JUST LIKE it is today.

I don't think this kills football for the have-nots. No more than any of this did before.

Go Vols!
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just too much movement on many fronts that affect athletics. smaller schools, D-3 and D-2 specifically have been losing money for years anyway. Just think a lot of them will suffer more with the changes.. NCAA breakup will hurt them as the NCAA has protected small schools for many years. Lot of the regulations have been driven by the smaller schools because they have more votes. Now what happens to them when the NCAA departs? Where is their oversite? just my thoughts..
 
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Besides helping us pay off our old coaches, how does this move benefit us?

I just don’t see this being good for our football program.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
The ACC elitist attitude will never accept adding WVU.

Plus West Virginia's population has been relatively the same for the past 80 years so not a growing TV market.
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The SEC also has an elitist attitude towards schools like WVU. They have seriously frowned upon considering institutions with academic profiles ranked lower than the current members.
 
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Kick Vandy and Mizzou out of the SEC. Bring in Texas, OU, Okie State, and North Cackalack.
 
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Someone on Reddit made a new BIG12 logo

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Backwards K said:
OU and Texas are just trying to pull a LeBron: "Our conference isn't any good so we want to come join the greatest conference and be able to claim, we helped make it great. The SEC doesn't need them, shouldn't want them."
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Or are they actually pulling an anti-LeBron by knowingly trying to play against better teams / make things much harder on themselves?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Woowwww the Big 12 ADs and Presidents called that emergency meeting at 6pm to address the issue and both Texas and Oklahoma ghosted them and wouldn’t even return their calls
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There's just too much smoke to this fire. I think it is just a matter of time before they go public with it.
 
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Just bring in FSU Miami Virginia and Vtech too Oh Clemson can join in. I can't forget Notre Dame.

Okie State should get in on Gundy's mullet alone
 
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Am I the only one that does not want to be in a "pod" with Bammers and the Barn? We will never win, but I guess we don't even do that now anyways.
 
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I think this is really bad news for Tennessee. If OU and Texas are in the SEC, they’ll outrecruit us just about every year. It sets up a de facto group of haves and have nots in the conference.

Haves: Bama, UGA, Florida, Texas, OU, A&M, LSU

Have nots: Everyone else

I’d love to be wrong.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
Wrong.
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How??!!!??? This admin gave an undeserved way pre-mature extension to Pruitt which increased his buyout (sound familiar? Hart put us in the same boat with Butch). After seeing how bad he really was they didn't want to pay the buyout that they created, so they decided to blow up the program with this investigation to avoid paying the buyout they created. So again please tell me how great the current admin is. Please show me some proof.
 
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midtnvol2 said:
How??!!!??? This admin gave an undeserved way pre-mature extension to Pruitt which increased his buyout (sound familiar? Hart put us in the same boat with Butch). After seeing how bad he really was they didn't want to pay the buyout that they created, so they decided to blow up the program with this investigation to avoid paying the buyout they created. So again please tell me how great the current admin is. Please show me some proof.
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Wrong.

You do know we have a completely new AD, right?
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
Wrong.

You do know we have a completely new AD, right?
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Guess who hired the last AD. You do know that the admin has to approve and sign off on new hires, firings, raises, contract extensions, etc. Way to early to know if its a good hire or a bad one. Again show me some proof.
 
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midtnvol2 said:
How??!!!??? This admin gave an undeserved way pre-mature extension to Pruitt which increased his buyout (sound familiar? Hart put us in the same boat with Butch). After seeing how bad he really was they didn't want to pay the buyout that they created, so they decided to blow up the program with this investigation to avoid paying the buyout they created. So again please tell me how great the current admin is. Please show me some proof.
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The notion the investigation was solely manufactured by the powers that be to avoid paying Pruitt his buyout is so absurd it's an understatement to call it a whacko tin foil hat conspiracy theory.
 
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midtnvol2 said:
Guess who hired the last AD. You do know that the admin has to approve and sign off on new hires, firings, raises, contract extensions, etc. Way to early to know if its a good hire or a bad one. Again show me some proof.
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AD as in "Athletic Department", not "Athletic Director". . .
 
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