Okay I was a bit harsh on Dooley.....

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This thread would not exist without Mike Hamilton! He was the real enemy. JMO :banghead2::banghead2::banghead2:




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sjt18 said:
On this particular thing... I'm doing much better than you. That's not saying all that much though since you and a few others set the bar pretty low.
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You might need to make a run to the liquor store.. Cheer up, Its Friday.
 
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Chilmonty said:
This thread would not exist without Mike Hamilton! He was the real enemy. JMO :banghead2::banghead2::banghead2:




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To be fair, that hire doesn't happen with just Hamilton signing off on it. There is alot of blame to go around and the scary thing is, some of the people who thought that hire was a good idea and signed off on it, are probably still making decisions for UT sports.
 
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sjt18 said:
It is almost full with a 3.27 "star avg". Let's be optimistic and say that they fill the last 4 spots with 4* players. That makes the avg 3.38. Last year that would have landed UT between 12th and 20th nationally and around 7th or 8th in the SEC.

In another conference, that's dominant. In the SEC... it is average.
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Those star ratings are not likely to stay as low and by next year, several would be expected to increase. Dormandy, for example is likely to move from 2* to 4* and depending on gibson and others, some may get recruited over. Considering the way CBJ has been burning up the recruiting trail these last 2 years, it would be hard not to expect 2015 class to be at least top 10 by the time its done. (that presumes at least 5-6 wins this year).
 
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sjt18 said:
Do the math. The lowest star avg to make Rivals' top 10 in the last three years while signing less than 30 players was 3.56. To go from 3.27 to 3.56 assuming a 26 player class UT has to finish its class with four 4* players then have 6 or 7 players get a bump.

It is possible but very unlikely.

Again, this isn't "negative"... this is just math.
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Essentially you cant just go by average star ranking for a recruiting class on rivals because...
1) They only take the top 20 recruits for each team
2) Every three, four, and five star are weighted for different points depending on where they finish in the top 250. EX. The number 1 overall recruit(5 star) gets more points than say the number 25 overall recruit still a (star)
3)Also, for this class Butch has made the overall choice of recruiting more special teams players that dont get the amount of stars that other positions get but are equally important throughout the course of an actual football game.
 
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utfantilidie said:
I know he tried. I know he didn't have all good players. I appreciate his effort. I should not knock the guy. I agree.

Funny though how some defend a multi-millionaire coach and manage to harass, poke fun, ridicule players half his age their entire career at UT and think that's okay.
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He didn't have good players because he chose not to do his job and recruit good players
 
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I met a lady that works in the NCAA compliance department for UT (or so she claimed). She said Dooley was very rude.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
You are one of the worst around here... all you do is talk shat, when it is so painfully obvious you know absolutely nothing about what it takes to coach or play football.
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Edit: If you really want to get into qualifications to comment on football then I'm game. I had posted mine to include my "resume" concerning leadership but a wise counselor suggested it was a bad idea even to answer your attempt to poison the well and evade the issues.

And this post of yours just proves my point.. Great the 2nd and average the third? When we are actually ahead in recruiting compared to where we were last year at this point.
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All it proves is that you either can't do or have not applied simple math in the context of the history of the rankings. UT may finish its class with four 4*. It is unlikely that Rivals gives bumps to the other 6 or 7 players it will take for UT to break the top 10 or the top 4 in the SEC.

I'm sorry math and history offend you.

And then we get to the second part of the post, its wrong in so many ways that its not even worth pointing any of it out. Because it is like trying to explain what a color is to someone who was born blind.
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Translation. It makes you angry, you can't answer it, so you handwave and pretend it isn't worth your effort to try. That tactic is worn... and cowardly.

I would ask you to stop trying to troll people around here with posts like this, but then that would be like trying to convince a crack head not to smoke it when they are in a warehouse filled to the top with the best crack in the world.
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I haven't "trolled" anyone in the 9 years I've been here. I give honest opinions based in the facts I know... right or wrong... I don't just throw stuff out to enjoy hysterics.
 
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sjt18 said:
Aside for having played and coached on teams at lower levels that won championships and running a very successful business in a HIGHLY competitive industry... you are probably right. (I didn't offer... you asked.
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You're hilarious guy
 

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BearCat204 said:
The consensus I have read or heard is only that he's a terrible coach and destroyed many relationships. He's also a bit of a weird bird.
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It did seem that he used a lot of poor judgement in some of the decisions he made. He just seemed so incredibly under qualified to coach in the SEC. Probably could have been a decent WR coach here, but nothing more.


BTW, people who complain about the buyout show they really don't understand what a contract is.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You don't know how our class is going to round out either. This is taking star gazing to an extreme. Rivals has Dormady as a 2* and yet he had an offer from Alabama. Richmond and Tuttle are 5* and not just realistic but it looks likely to in Tenn's class.
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If Dormady gets 4* from Rivals and UT gets both Richmond and Tuttle and UT rounds out the other slots with 4*... then they'll be close. But without several other players getting bumps, they'll only be on the margin of top 10 (8-12).

BTW, in all this the fact cannot be lost that with great coaching this class could be full of championship caliber players or conversely with poor coaching even some of the great talents could flop.
 
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sjt18 said:
Aside for having played and coached on teams at lower levels that won championships, having commanded a decorated military unit, receiving early promotion in the military for merit, and running a very successful business in a HIGHLY competitive industry... you are probably right. (I didn't offer... you asked.)

All it proves is that you either can't do or have not applied simple math in the context of the history of the rankings. UT may finish its class with four 4*. It is unlikely that Rivals gives bumps to the other 6 or 7 players it will take for UT to break the top 10 or the top 4 in the SEC.

I'm sorry math and history offend you.

Translation. It makes you angry, you can't answer it, so you handwave and pretend it isn't worth your effort to try. That tactic is worn... and cowardly.


I haven't "trolled" anyone in the 9 years I've been here. I give honest opinions based in the facts I know... right or wrong... I don't just throw stuff out to enjoy hysterics.
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Thank you for your service to our country, and I honestly mean that. However, blowing your own horn over your career accomplishments on a message board usually doesn't end well. Good luck.
 
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BearCat204 said:
The consensus I have read or heard is only that he's a terrible coach and destroyed many relationships. He's also a bit of a weird bird.
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And... it still isn't necessary after he's been publicly humiliated, fired, and probably seen the effective end to anything great in his career... to spit on him.

If he had done it on purpose and we had proof then sure, take your shot. But he's just a guy who was completely drowned by his situation. There's no need to say or assume anything more than he was not up to the job and failed.
 
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fade route said:
Thank you for your service to our country, and I honestly mean that. However, blowing your own horn over your career accomplishments on a message board usually doesn't end well. Good luck.
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You know what they say about those who blow their horn the loudest...... 90% of it is bull****.
 
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sjt18 said:
And... it still isn't necessary after he's been publicly humiliated, fired, and probably seen the effective end to anything great in his career... to spit on him.

If he had done it on purpose and we had proof then sure, take your shot. But he's just a guy who was completely drowned by his situation. There's no need to say or assume anything more than he was not up to the job and failed.
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Who's spitting on him? How about you relax and sit the **** down. This is a message board for Christ's sake. It's not like people are burning crosses in the yard.
 
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fade route said:
Thank you for your service to our country, and I honestly mean that. However, blowing your own horn over your career accomplishments on a message board usually doesn't end well. Good luck.
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The guy I responded to asked for it. I didn't bring it up. He said "You are one of the worst around here... all you do is talk shat, when it is so painfully obvious you know absolutely nothing about what it takes to coach or play football."

That is the ONLY reason I brought it up... to answer someone being a condescending smart aleck about my "worthiness" to comment on FOOTBALL.

I've had a career with lots of ups and downs and many painful lessons. I take satisfaction more than pride because there's been a good number of times I've failed and had to get up and try again.

That's in part why I can be more sympathetic with what Dooley experienced. The kind of stress he was under explains at least some of the broken relationships and reported attitudes. He failed at UT. I wish him the best in turning his career around.
 
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sjt18 said:
Almost as funny as people who lack the life experience to sympathize with someone who fails like that.

Yeah... and it is tempting to wish that someone like you at some point will experience that kind of failure and public humiliation. I'm sure you'll handle it so much better and will love it when people kick you while you're down. That's such a classy thing to do, you know?

Dooley failed. The non-sense being spewed here says a lot more about the people posting it than it does Dooley.

As far as I know... he hasn't taken public shots at UT, the AD, the staff, the players, or even the fans. Has he? Seems he's showing a good bit more class than many of you.
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Dooley is laughing all the way to the bank.. As most of us would. Set for life and does not have to work unless he wants to.. Not a bad spot in you mid 40's
 
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Biopsyman said:
Dooley is laughing all the way to the bank.. As most of us would. Set for life and does not have to work unless he wants to.. Not a bad spot in you mid 40's
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How much solace would you feel if you were publicly humiliated and fired and got a 3 year severance at your current salary? Or do you really and truly believe that money in and of itself buys happiness and contentment?
 
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