Ok...all I ask you "Fire Butch" crowd is.....

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Why in the world would Gruden coach? He has a sweet job, no pressure, no psycho fan base to appease, no recruiting, etc. I don't care how much people think he is tied to the program he won't come here. I hope the next hire is not a bargain basement deal and we actually shell out money. From a financial standpoint it makes sense. Think about how much money would be due to Dooley and Jones if he were to be canned. That could have gone to hire a better quality coach.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
What we have are 3 losses by a total of 12 points in games we had 2 TD leads including one in OT and one on the road. Tenn should have beaten Oklahoma and Florida. What we do not have is a need for Gator fans to post to our forum and start telling us what to do.
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That's the whole issue. When you have games TN should have won but lost, it points to coaching failure!
 
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Spawn said:
For the people wanting to fire the CBJ, do you really want to start this process all over? Haven't you people learned from the last 10 years that jumping ship over and over only keeps our team in the dumps.

Some people never learn.
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No, hiring failures is what keeps TN in this cycle. If we had an AD such as FL or Louisville, we'd get a coach who would pull us out of this cycle and get us back to the top.
 
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99gator said:
I was told the same thing on Gator boards about Muschamp.

The "who are you going to get" argument is irrelevant.

You have failure. You can either hire success or hire another failure. But, you are in a no lose situation.

The odds are high that you can only get better or stay the same.

If you wait until the perfect day where there is a "home run hire", that particular guy may not even take the Tennessee job.

When a guy has proven he need to go, he needs to go
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So here is the easy answer...
1) bad interference call not made, we beat OK.
2) we make one stop on FL final drive OR refs don't screw up the clock at the end of the game, we beat FL.
3) we go into the AR game 4-0, it's a different story.

We haven't been this close in years. OK slipped by, they know it. FL slipped by, you know it. We are close.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
So here is the easy answer...
1) bad interference call not made, we beat OK.
2) we make one stop on FL final drive OR refs don't screw up the clock at the end of the game, we beat FL.
3) we go into the AR game 4-0, it's a different story.

We haven't been this close in years. OK slipped by, they know it. FL slipped by, you know it. We are close.
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Yes! Amen! Thank you!

This message board needs so much more of this logic!

If I may add: many analysts predicted we would be close this year but not there yet. We have shown flashes of being there but we've been exactly what we thought we'd be- close. I saw a lot of ppl say 2016 would be the year we'd get over that hump. We have almost got over it this year. I admit when I watched the first half of the OK game I was completely shocked. Who was that Orange team on the field? Butch knows we are close. It keeps many fans up at night and I assure you it keeps him up too. As for the rest of the season, we just have to be men and play the rest of this sucker out!
 
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Pooods said:
Who are you going to replace him with? Have we not been down this road before? This program once could have gotten most any coach out there but those days are gone. All the good ones are taken or wouldn't want the pressure of this. It is pressure! Yes the talent is better but after dropping Butch you will lose some of it and lose much of our next year's crop. It's easy to always scream fire. But, who do you get?
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Greg Schiano
Bill O'Brien if he gets fired
Raheem Morris
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
So here is the easy answer...
1) bad interference call not made, we beat OK.
2) we make one stop on FL final drive OR refs don't screw up the clock at the end of the game, we beat FL.
3) we go into the AR game 4-0, it's a different story.

We haven't been this close in years. OK slipped by, they know it. FL slipped by, you know it. We are close.
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A) it was interference
B) we didn't stop Florida
C) were 2-3

We aren't close to ****. This is the same ****ty logic people used with Derek Dooley. We look close if you look at the stats but we are so far away and only getting further away because our coach is a loser and he will only continue to infect our players with a losing mentality and a lack of confidence the longer he stays.
 
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bhouston79 said:
(1) Chip Kelly (if he loses his NFL gig)
Not going to happen yet, maybe next year.
(2) Art Briles (Tennessee is historically a better program than Baylor and if we offer him the big bucks he would be likely to come)
He's turned Baylor into a powerhouse all by himself and is a Texas guy. They built him a new stadium and athletic training center.
(3) John Gruden
We saw how this ended last time!
(4) Gary Patterson
See Art Briles plus we jilted him before we hired Kiffin!
(5) David Cutcliffe
Maybe, but I doubt it considering we offered it to him numerous times before.
(6) Mark Dantonio-- Not going to happen. Michigan State is now a powerhouse because of him and they will give him major raise soon.

Any of these proven winners are possible options if our administration is willing to pay the money necessary to bring in a great coach rather than another mid major budget hire.
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We tried to get the home run hire with Kiffin and that ended well. We tried the mid major HC so that rules out Fuente. Maybe we can try a good OC/DC who was in a power 5 conference.

I'd take a run at David Shaw
Chad Morris
Kirby Smart
Justin Wilcox
Kendall Briles
One of the 2 OC at TCU
 
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bhouston79 said:
Several options are available if we will follow the lead of Alabama, Ohio State, and Michigan with their most recent hires by paying the big bucks and investing in winning rather than trying to find a budget hire. Here are some possible options.

(1) Chip Kelly (if he loses his NFL gig)
(2) Art Briles (Tennessee is historically a better program than Baylor and if we offer him the big bucks he would be likely to come)
(3) John Gruden
(4) Gary Patterson
(5) David Cutcliffe
(6) Mark Dantonio

Any of these proven winners are possible options if our administration is willing to pay the money necessary to bring in a great coach rather than another mid major budget hire.
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LMFAO...... Wake up man. The only realistic name listed is Cut and he's got it made at Duke.
 
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bhouston79 said:
Several options are available if we will follow the lead of Alabama, Ohio State, and Michigan with their most recent hires by paying the big bucks and investing in winning rather than trying to find a budget hire. Here are some possible options.

(1) Chip Kelly (if he loses his NFL gig)
(2) Art Briles (Tennessee is historically a better program than Baylor and if we offer him the big bucks he would be likely to come)
(3) John Gruden
(4) Gary Patterson
(5) David Cutcliffe
(6) Mark Dantonio

Any of these proven winners are possible options if our administration is willing to pay the money necessary to bring in a great coach rather than another mid major budget hire.
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This list is delusional. None of those coaches will end up at UT, it is not happening. You, along anyone else here that thinks they could, need to get this through your head.

If you think Briles would leave Baylor to come here, or that D'Antonio would leave Mich St to come here, then you are absolutely out of your mind.
 
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MrBiggles said:
We tried to get the home run hire with Kiffin and that ended well. We tried the mid major HC so that rules out Fuente. Maybe we can try a good OC/DC who was in a power 5 conference.

I'd take a run at David Shaw
Chad Morris
Kirby Smart
Justin Wilcox
Kendall Briles
One of the 2 OC at TCU
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Morris, Smart, Wilcox are all proven winners that have been head coaches and at the SEC level. What we need is a proven winner like Whittingham, or Kelly or Gruden
 
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Pooods said:
Who are you going to replace him with? Have we not been down this road before? This program once could have gotten most any coach out there but those days are gone. All the good ones are taken or wouldn't want the pressure of this. It is pressure! Yes the talent is better but after dropping Butch you will lose some of it and lose much of our next year's crop. It's easy to always scream fire. But, who do you get?
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So, I guess going 5-7 or 6-6 every year sounds good to you.

And you are correct, no one wants this job. UT is known to hire on the cheap. Their only goal is to sell used cars to the fans and as long as people are willing to pour money into the program they could care less about how many games we win.
 
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Catbone said:
Florida and Michigan has proved if you hire the right coach there is no "year zeros" and there is instant winning.

The sooner people realize this the better.
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Hate to break it to you but Jim McElwain started this year with more talent on his roster than Butch...
 
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Vol'er15 said:
This list is delusional. None of those coaches will end up at UT, it is not happening. You, along anyone else here that thinks they could, need to get this through your head.

If you think Briles would leave Baylor to come here, or that D'Antonio would leave Mich St to come here, then you are absolutely out of your mind.
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Agree...the posts on this board remind me why we have a representative democracy versus a true democracy...
 
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carlos86 said:
Dabo Swinney
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I was trying not to say anything but... Is this a serious suggestion? I absolutely bleed Crimson Tide football, and as funny as it would be to see, I cannot seriously see you guys having former Bama folks as both AD and Head Coach. I'm hoping I just missed your sacasm or something.
 
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Nationdom said:
Morris, Smart, Wilcox are all proven winners that have been head coaches and at the SEC level. What we need is a proven winner like Whittingham, or Kelly or Gruden
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Wtf? Wilcox head coach ?Smart head coach?... This is a prime example of the type of ignorance that permeates VN.
 
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Sarms58 said:
Hate to break it to you but Jim McElwain started this year with more talent on his roster than Butch...
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McElwain has more talent in 2015 than Jones has in 2015?

Prove it.

Otherwise, it doesn't matter what Jones had in 2013 because McElwain beat Jones with 2015 squads.

McElwain is just a quality coach and he's assembled a good staff. UF's roster was in shambles and had 3-4 healthy scholarship OL in the Spring. 18 total OL and only 4 of them are JR/SR. 5 of them are walk-ons, 2 of them are 4/5* and the rest are middling 3* undergrads. Looks like a prime rib of excuses for Lyle.

Still beat UT. Still beat Ole Miss. No excuses, just results.

That's just something that UT fans can't understand after years of Fulmer making weak excuses followed by Dooley making weak excuses followed by Jones making weak excuses.
 
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agent|orange said:
McElwain has more talent in 2015 than Jones has in 2015?

Prove it.

Otherwise, it doesn't matter what Jones had in 2013 because McElwain beat Jones with 2015 squads.

McElwain is just a quality coach and he's assembled a good staff. UF's roster was in shambles and had 3-4 healthy scholarship OL in the Spring. 18 total OL and only 4 of them are JR/SR. 5 of them are walk-ons, 2 of them are 4/5* and the rest are middling 3* undergrads. Looks like a prime rib of excuses for Lyle.

Still beat UT. Still beat Ole Miss. No excuses, just results.

That's just something that UT fans can't understand after years of Fulmer making weak excuses followed by Dooley making weak excuses followed by Jones making weak excuses.
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How many Olinemen are on the Vols roster? One BIG benefit that Ole Yeller has is the defensive unit. If Butch had a D like that it would cover up a lot "analytics"
 
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Volinnooga said:
You Grudenits were the laughing stock before. You want to do it again? First time shame on them, second time shame on you.
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Been supporting this staff all year but if Grudens on a plane to Knoxville then I'm on board. Program needs a shot in the arm. Not sure if it will work but it even if we lost if would be one hell of a ride.

So to answer the question, yes....but I'm still rootin for ya' CBJ
 
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Pooods said:
It's easy to point at a coach and then an AD. It's easy to scream clean house. But, we can recruit. That's a huge first step! Doubt you will find another better out there right now. You can surround a weak link with great assistants if out there. Doing that is easier on the program than taking the head off of it. If you clean house you are rock bottom once again. Rolling the dice and hoping for the best, years of waiting again for sure and then probably a similar result. We give players time to adjust and get better. This coach is just now getting talent enough to compete so don't we need to give him more time and not crush the program once again? Maybe the AD is not as much of a problem when hiring maybe it's UT as a whole including some of the fan base. I really don't know the true answer but starting a new foundation over and over seems to not the the correct one.
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We have 2-3 years of good talent right now. A decent coach can win with in year 1 with what we have and recruiting will resume. I dint think many recruits want to play for this staff anymore. Can't blame them
 
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