Official Nashville Predators Thread

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UTRocky said:
maybe im wrong, but I thought there was like an unwritten rule that you didnt mess with other teams RFA's in the nhl. Something like now everyone is going to hate the Philly GM cause other teams are going to start doing this now. idk just something i heard
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RFAs have always been a target
 
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OrangeBalls said:
I think it sucks. When has a FA really worked out for the Titans or Preds? There have been more busts than anything else.

I grew up before free agency when players stayed with teams. Now you cheer for a player and you're booing his ass the next year. Free agency is great for the players. It's great for the teams that rent-a-player and win a title.
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So free agency is terrible because you cant own a player for their entire proffesional career? How did you feel when it was highly speculated that Peyton Manning would come to the Titans in FA?
 
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BearCat204 said:
So free agency is terrible because you cant own a player for their entire proffesional career? How did you feel when it was highly speculated that Peyton Manning would come to the Titans in FA?
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I never thought it would happen. If it did, it would've made it easier to sell any of my extra tickets and make a profit.

Pro sports is nothing but a nice diversion for me. I gave up any emotional investment to any team a long time ago so keep plugging. Once you figure that out and don't take it so serious, it's no big deal.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
I never thought it would happen. If it did, it would've made it easier to sell any of my extra tickets and make a profit.

Pro sports is nothing but a nice diversion for me. I gave up any emotional investment to any team a long time ago so keep plugging. Once you figure that out and don't take it so serious, it's no big deal.
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Then why are you a fan? Seems you would be much more suited to the purest form on the game and follow some high school hockey
 
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BearCat204 said:
Then why are you a fan? Seems you would be much more suited to the purest form on the game and follow some high school hockey
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Because I enjoy the game. I enjoy going to the game with family, friends and sometimes clients. I enjoy the college atmosphere, tailgating and game much more than any pro game or atmosphere though. As I've gotten older, I enjoy that more than the game itself.

I also have a hard time emotionally investing in something that even the players don't have a lot of emotional investment in. If they can change teams at the drop of a hat then why should they expect fans to invest in them? Pro sports is a business (as is college but on a different level) and is all about money. Once you realize that, it's much easier to detach IMO. Very few, if any, players and owners give a damn what a fan thinks. All they care about is how much money are they going to earn. They say nice things like they really like the town or the franchise, but let's be honest. They really just like the money.

How did you feel when Reggie White left the Iggles to go to the Packers and the Packers then won a title with him? Yeah, that's what I thought.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
How did you feel when Reggie White left the Iggles to go to the Packers and the Packers then won a title with him? Yeah, that's what I thought.
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I didnt like it, of course, but its better than the alternative of forcing a player to a life long commitment to play in one place. It was really good for him, because he would have never won a title had he stayed in Philly. Im completely ok with free agency and understand it for what it is. Why you think professionals should be anchored to one place their entire career is beyond me. I actually pulled for the Packers to win while he was there, didnt start hating the guy because he left through free agency.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I didnt like it, of course, but its better than the alternative of forcing a player to a life long commitment to play in one place. It was really good for him, because he would have never won a title had he stayed in Philly. Im completely ok with free agency and understand it for what it is. Why you think professionals should be anchored to one place their entire career is beyond me. I actually pulled for the Packers to win while he was there, didnt start hating the guy because he left through free agency.
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I don't hold it against a player that chooses to make more money and leave because most anyone would do the same thing. Although, I did not like the way Suter left Nashville dangling and the Preds didn't get jack sh*t in return. Based on who you want to believe, he told Poile one thing and did another and Nashville got nothing in return.

I hate it for the team and the fans that follow that team and invest their time, money and emotions in something that is really not worth it because players leave at the drop of a hat now. Like I said, I grew up in an era where the same players stayed with the team and there was more of a connection. Now it's a revolving door. The salary cap helps small market teams, but you know and I know small market teams still have trouble competing with the larger market teams.

If you read this contract breakdown, I don't see how in the hell the Preds can match this. They don't have the finances to do it. 16.5 percent of Nashville's entire franchise net worth ($163M as valuated by Forbes Magazine in 2011) would be paid out in less than a calendar year by them if they matched the offer. Either the owners will have to pony up some more money or get more investors. They have a week to do it.

Shea Weber signed to $110M offer sheet
 
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UTRocky said:
maybe im wrong, but I thought there was like an unwritten rule that you didnt mess with other teams RFA's in the nhl. Something like now everyone is going to hate the Philly GM cause other teams are going to start doing this now. idk just something i heard
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Holmgren hasn't gotten where he is by giving a damn what others think. Guy is one of the best in the business.

That, and a certain franchise from the Patrick Division that is willing to spend money was sniffing around for a trade for Weber's rights. And Holmgren wasn't going to let that happen.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Like I said, I grew up in an era where the same players stayed with the team and there was more of a connection.
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I remember the days before free agency as well....with exception to baseball. I feel as though free agency has had an important and positive impact on the game. The top name that comes to mind recently is Brees. If there were no free agency, NOLA would still be the Aint's of old and in the gutter.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I remember the days before free agency as well....with exception to baseball. I feel as though free agency has had an important and positive impact on the game. The top name that comes to mind recently is Brees. If there were no free agency, NOLA would still be the Aint's of old and in the gutter.
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Unless you're a player, I'll agree to disagree. The small market teams still get the shaft.
 
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Here's a good article written back in Nov 30, 2011 about the NHL and team values and how teams get around the salary cap.

Yet a handful of teams, most of which play in big markets, are making piles of money. The league’s most valuable team, the Toronto Maple Leafs, is now worth $521 million and generated $81.8 million in operating income last season. The New York Rangers, who are enjoying the benefits of playing in a refurbished Madison Square Garden, earned $41.4 million last year and are the NHL’s second-most valuable team, worth $507 million. And the Montreal Canadiens, placing third with a $445 million valuation, earned $47.7 million. Thus the top three teams posted an aggregate operating profit greater than the rest of the league combined.

Having all that cash gives teams an advantage when it comes to keeping talent, despite the salary cap, because teams can reduce their payroll for salary cap purposes by sending players to the minors or Europe, play games with the league’s long-term injury reserve system and front-load contracts to manipulate the yearly cap hit (team payrolls are based on the average annual values of the contracts).

The Business Of Hockey: Team Values Hit All-Time High - Forbes

The Flyers are the 8th most valuable NHL team. Nashville is 25th. Toronto is 1st with a staggering 81.8 mil in operating income.
 
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Toujours Pret said:
I was replying to bearcat. If ownership can't dig up enough $ to come near the cap, then perhaps it isn't a viable market.
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Perhaps so, but the NHL has expanded into as many Canadian tv markets that they can. It's all about expanding the brand and trying to make more money.
 
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Another article discussing Weber and the offer sheet and how the NHL does a horrible job with revenue sharing.

The one area the Weber offer sheet does highlight is revenue sharing. It is generally accepted that the league does the worst job of all sports in spreading the wealth among its weaker sisters.

The Weber offer sheet is an example of a tool wielded by a powerful, wealthy team like the Flyers designed to crush a smaller-market team financially and steal its top assets by the sheer dint of economic force.

The salary cap was designed to create a level playing field in which presumably that kind of leverage would be greatly minimized. Even though the Predators, regular beneficiaries of the current revenue-sharing program, may end up matching the offer sheet, it's the kind of tool that profoundly upsets the notion of a level playing field, something the players will no doubt point out as talks continue.

NHL: Nashville Predators have clear choice on Shea Weber offer sheet - ESPN
 
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