Official Jon Gruden Thread XXVIII

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angrypug said:
I have never heard a radio show BEG for people to give them money in a tip jar. His insiders are mostly a bunch of older drunks. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
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He does the fifth quarter commercial free. I think it is reasonable that he takes donations.
 
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Volnbeers said:
can someone remind me where the 2017 grumors even started?

butch jones came into the season on the lukewarm seat but its pretty obvious its scorching hot now.

i mentioned last night that it seems to me that the most currie has done at this point is serve butch jones some humble pie, which will probably lead to yet another turnover in staff.

I'm full gruden, don't get me wrong, but where is all this even coming from? Seems like the media has picked up on pure speculation (from volnation [which would be awesome btw]) and ran with it.

halp
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First Grumor I heard this go round started with Finebaum. They were in Knoxville for uga and he said the people he has talked to said they are going to offer Gruden a lot of money.

Since then, I’ve had a full Gruden and it won’t go limp until a coach is announced.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I think the most informative post was the one concerning Currie signing his MOU a considerable amount of time both before he started and before Hart left.
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I don't get why some want to argue that there are legal repercussions if one is signed.

MOU's have been used and signed for years in situations just like this with zero problems, it's part of the game.

Why some want to claim that it's impossible and cite examples from their business experiences (which isn't college football) to fit their narrative is beyond me.

Just admit you don't know what your talking about and move on.

Some argue just to argue.

Like SJT says, they get emotionally invested in an argument and defend it to the death, right or wrong.
 
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I cannot speak on behalf of UT, but the company I work for, which is a public entity/local government, typically files MOA's (not 100% sure about MOU's) with the register of deeds. I *think* this has more to do with the nature of the business my employment engages in rather than an actual legal requirement for all MOA's - but I'm an engineer not an attorney. If these types of agreements have to be recorded that would make concealment much more difficult. UT is a university but as I understand it is also a public entity.
 
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newyorkvol said:
Thanks. So, if these can be extremely punitive, I would assume that could or would include voiding the MOU if it was leaked to a public message board?
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No, separate agreements. You'd only void the MOU by failing to effectuate a later agreement. (And even then, "voiding" is a less than ideal word choice.)
 
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Behr said:
Speaking for myself.

I'm not demanding anything. I'm just considering all possible scenarios.

When Gruden steps of the plane I'll stop considering all other scenarios.

I question anyone that seems to demand I believe what they believe, just because they believe it.
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Behr, you are not allowed to dream and be skeptical at the same time based on facts. Hope this helps.
 
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Silky_Johnson said:
First Grumor I heard this go round started with Finebaum. They were in Knoxville for uga and he said the people he has talked to said they are going to offer Gruden a lot of money.

Since then, I’ve had a full Gruden and it won’t go limp until a coach is announced.
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ahh yea ok...i remember now. thanks
 
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Behr said:
Speaking for myself.

I'm not demanding anything. I'm just considering all possible scenarios.

When Gruden steps of the plane I'll stop considering all other scenarios.

I question anyone that seems to demand I believe what they believe, just because they believe it.
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I believe
 
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Let me retract what I said this morning. If Jones does not announce something today or tomorrow, the less firm I am on Gruden. I thought he would resign. But obviously, this is not going to be the case. I will take my lumps...I was wrong!
 
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Volnbeers said:
can someone remind me where the 2017 grumors even started?

butch jones came into the season on the lukewarm seat but its pretty obvious its scorching hot now.

i mentioned last night that it seems to me that the most currie has done at this point is serve butch jones some humble pie, which will probably lead to yet another turnover in staff.

I'm full gruden, don't get me wrong, but where is all this even coming from? Seems like the media has picked up on pure speculation (from volnation [which would be awesome btw]) and ran with it.

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Depends on who you ask.

It didn't start here for me.
 
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Soon
Done deal
It’s over
Boom
It’s happening
He’s coming
Be patient
I know someone
I heard from

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VFLnSFD said:
I didn't see where anyone else mentioned this, but when Butch stepped off the plane in Knoxville almost 5 years ago, all he had signed was an MOU. Not one person was on here discussing if it was a legally binding document.

Why do some of you demand to believe in worst case scenarios?
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He did not have that MOU in his hand while a coach was on the payroll for coaching a game the night before is a point of fact. That is where one has to suspend rational thought 9and competent legal advice as well) to come to the point UTAD signed an MOU hiring Gruden when having a coach under contract for that position during the same time period. As a reminder CBJ is under contract for next season as well, no? Currie and CBJ both are on the public record during this supposed MOU hiring Gruden that CBJ was not terminated, his contract is unchanged and no one has suggested an amendment has been filed any where. Both are going to be proven liars after this is all said and done via the paperwork, you all signing up for that? So help me, this whole MOU hiring Gruden fig leaf depends on multiple secret agreements and secret documents that no one can produce or allow to be seen, just complete and utter heresay, amirite? That's where some of you purported attornies, of which I am not one but use the best around where I work, that's your position here, secret documents, secret agreements, secret abrogation of existing contracts, heresay, how does that hold up in a court of law?
 
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HearForGrumors said:
Uh, that's complicated. The short answer is, "Yes." However, its only because you could draft an MOU to include a short binding portion for damages to fail to effectuate a late retirement deal, if you wanted. So, those clauses would be filed with the MOU, but essentially operate as a separate binding agreement. Think a clause like,

"if coach and university fail to effectuate a deal substantially similar to the above terms, and it is because coach has declined, coach shall pay $10,000 as liquidated damages to account for university's lost opportunity to meaningfully search for another coach."

In general, MOUs are not intended to be binding. They are shorthand deal forms, so business professionals can sign something during negotiation. Later the attorneys draft the contract. They are also useful when you are waiting on a future outcome. Say, another deal closing, a settlement on a toxic account, or... a coach being formally terminated.

To another poster asking about signing an NDA alongside the MOU. Yes, absolutely. There will be NDAs signed at every step of the process, by everyone involved in the process. Totally binding, can be very punitive, and are separate agreements.
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I agree with all of this. But, how would a public records request play in? I don't know because that is not my area. There are certain exceptions in the statute, ie business development ect. I just do not know the answer.
 
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HearForGrumors said:
But, we both know that any agreement is only as onerous as the party who could enforce it wants it to be. And, people break NDAs all the time.
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Yup. We also both know that for deals like this that “loose lips sink ships” (see: Rich Rod to Bama). If both parties want the deal equally, information just doesn’t tend to leak as it’s not in the interest of either side to do so. If one side has some leverage on the other by leaking, well, all bets are off.

Either way, as I’ve repeatedly said, if you’re getting anything for free, even information, you’re likely the product being sold and not the intended consumer.
 
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