Official Jon Gruden Thread XXVIII

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YorkVol said:
My attempt at a logical answer.
In 2012 Gruden said he would probably get a college program in trouble due to not understanding all the rules for recruiting, practice times, etc, etc (my paraphrasing). He could handle the game day stuff, but there were genuine concerns about running a program.

Since then, the indications are he has studied those programatics and has discussed them with some of the best minds in CFB. Appearances are he is much better prepared now than 5 years ago.

Also, the assumption is he realizes the need to hire good coordinators and position coaches and let them do their jobs. He has talked with and observed coaches around the NFL and CFB and knows who would be the best to join his staff.

Finally he isn't trying to prove he can turn around a program, or build something from scratch. His legacy is aimed at winning big. That means beating Bama, OSU, USC, winning the SEC and a CFB Championship. He won't ask for 5-8 years to recruit his players and build his program. He will want to win now and often.

These are the basic assumptions and logic behind the hire. Is it a risk? Sure, he could fall flat on his face. But it could also pay off in a big way. Either way, it looks like it would be a lot of fun around knoxpatch!
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Good post.
 
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Remy said:
OP, you've pretty much captured my thoughts about Gruden. I will support the guy if he comes. I've seen zero actual evidence convincing me to date that is on any one's radar screen including Gruden's. I simply refuse to play along with the "insiders" and conspiracy nuts that see signed MOUs behind every cloud in the sky. I agree that talent would show initially up as he is a marquee name. I remain unconcvinced he is a winner coaching at the collegiate level, I am unconvinced he can do what it takes to be successful were he to come, I would hope he proves me way wrong and he would get my support. I'm a pragmatist to the point of almost being a contraire when it comes to most things, it takes evidence to convince me. A bunch of heresay by emotional rubes is not evidence.
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Then why are you in here? Get out. Go celebrate some other coach that fits your obvious expertise in everything known to man. It sounds like you’ve worked or do work for the government and based on your piss poor attitude and the apparent fact you think you’re the smartest person in the room, I’m guessing you’re nothing more than a desk clerk at the DMV. Get out.
 
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OldTimer said:
if I recall correctly, either Dooley or Kiffin were on the job for months before the "actual" contract was signed........
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Fun fact, when majors got canned, he had not signed his contract extension. He wanted more money. He then got sick and had the surgery. When he came back, he realized there was a problem and said he was ready to sign. At that point, the decision had been made and the AD said no thanks.
 
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txbo said:
As a public university, does a NDA get trumped by an open record request?
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You could FOIA request, but the university could easily stall longer than they need for confidentiality. It would presumably be public knowledge in 60 days no matter what.
 
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VFLnSFD said:
I didn't see where anyone else mentioned this, but when Butch stepped off the plane in Knoxville almost 5 years ago, all he had signed was an MOU. Not one person was on here discussing if it was a legally binding document.

Why do some of you demand to believe in worst case scenarios?
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Bored and unimaginative contrarians
 
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HearForGrumors said:
Uh, that's complicated. The short answer is, "Yes." However, its only because you could draft an MOU to include a short binding portion for damages to fail to effectuate a late retirement deal, if you wanted. So, those clauses would be filed with the MOU, but essentially operate as a separate binding agreement. Think a clause like,

"if coach and university fail to effectuate a deal substantially similar to the above terms, and it is because coach has declined, coach shall pay $10,000 as liquidated damages to account for university's lost opportunity to meaningfully search for another coach."

In general, MOUs are not intended to be binding. They are shorthand deal forms, so business professionals can sign something during negotiation. Later the attorneys draft the contract. They are also useful when you are waiting on a future outcome. Say, another deal closing, a settlement on a toxic account, or... a coach being formally terminated.

To another poster asking about signing an NDA alongside the MOU. Yes, absolutely. There will be NDAs signed at every step of the process, by everyone involved in the process. Totally binding, can be very punitive, and are separate agreements.
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“By everyone involved in the process” ie anyone in the room?
 
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can someone remind me where the 2017 grumors even started?

butch jones came into the season on the lukewarm seat but its pretty obvious its scorching hot now.

i mentioned last night that it seems to me that the most currie has done at this point is serve butch jones some humble pie, which will probably lead to yet another turnover in staff.

I'm full gruden, don't get me wrong, but where is all this even coming from? Seems like the media has picked up on pure speculation (from volnation [which would be awesome btw]) and ran with it.

halp
 
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HearForGrumors said:
Uh, that's complicated. The short answer is, "Yes." However, its only because you could draft an MOU to include a short binding portion for damages to fail to effectuate a late retirement deal, if you wanted. So, those clauses would be filed with the MOU, but essentially operate as a separate binding agreement. Think a clause like,

"if coach and university fail to effectuate a deal substantially similar to the above terms, and it is because coach has declined, coach shall pay $10,000 as liquidated damages to account for university's lost opportunity to meaningfully search for another coach."

In general, MOUs are not intended to be binding. They are shorthand deal forms, so business professionals can sign something during negotiation. Later the attorneys draft the contract. They are also useful when you are waiting on a future outcome. Say, another deal closing, a settlement on a toxic account, or... a coach being formally terminated.

To another poster asking about signing an NDA alongside the MOU. Yes, absolutely. There will be NDAs signed at every step of the process, by everyone involved in the process. Totally binding, can be very punitive, and are separate agreements.
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Gotcha.. thanks for the reply.
 
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I think the most informative post was the one concerning Currie signing his MOU a considerable amount of time both before he started and before Hart left.
 
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VFLnSFD said:
I didn't see where anyone else mentioned this, but when Butch stepped off the plane in Knoxville almost 5 years ago, all he had signed was an MOU. Not one person was on here discussing if it was a legally binding document.

Why do some of you demand to believe in worst case scenarios?
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Speaking for myself.

I'm not demanding anything. I'm just considering all possible scenarios.

When Gruden steps of the plane I'll stop considering all other scenarios.

I question anyone that seems to demand I believe what they believe, just because they believe it.
 
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HearForGrumors said:
Uh, that's complicated. The short answer is, "Yes." However, its only because you could draft an MOU to include a short binding portion for damages to fail to effectuate a late retirement deal, if you wanted. So, those clauses would be filed with the MOU, but essentially operate as a separate binding agreement. Think a clause like,

"if coach and university fail to effectuate a deal substantially similar to the above terms, and it is because coach has declined, coach shall pay $10,000 as liquidated damages to account for university's lost opportunity to meaningfully search for another coach."

In general, MOUs are not intended to be binding. They are shorthand deal forms, so business professionals can sign something during negotiation. Later the attorneys draft the contract. They are also useful when you are waiting on a future outcome. Say, another deal closing, a settlement on a toxic account, or... a coach being formally terminated.

To another poster asking about signing an NDA alongside the MOU. Yes, absolutely. There will be NDAs signed at every step of the process, by everyone involved in the process. Totally binding, can be very punitive, and are separate agreements.
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Everyone note the last two sentences here, especially when evaluating most rumors from people who know people.
 
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secking said:
He’s not coming for less money than he makes now. He makes $7 mil at ESPN alone for MNF not counting his other monetary business endeavors where he gets paid. The HS coach is old news and those close to the S Pittsburg coach will tell you he likes to hear himself talk and seem more important than need be. Most around S Pittsburg don’t believe his story from 2012.

That said, very possible Gruden was in East TN closing on a house. Was it for him? Who knows, conventional wisdom was its for the in laws or his son, carry on,
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Son’s a junior at UT. Not exactly a starter home. As for the in-laws? Weird timing.
 
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angrypug said:
I have never heard a radio show BEG for people to give them money in a tip jar. His insiders are mostly a bunch of older drunks. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
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I tried listening to his show one time.....I made it around 2-3 minutes before it was time to regret my decision.
 
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HearForGrumors said:
Uh, that's complicated. The short answer is, "Yes." However, its only because you could draft an MOU to include a short binding portion for damages to fail to effectuate a late retirement deal, if you wanted. So, those clauses would be filed with the MOU, but essentially operate as a separate binding agreement. Think a clause like,

"if coach and university fail to effectuate a deal substantially similar to the above terms, and it is because coach has declined, coach shall pay $10,000 as liquidated damages to account for university's lost opportunity to meaningfully search for another coach."

In general, MOUs are not intended to be binding. They are shorthand deal forms, so business professionals can sign something during negotiation. Later the attorneys draft the contract. They are also useful when you are waiting on a future outcome. Say, another deal closing, a settlement on a toxic account, or... a coach being formally terminated.

To another poster asking about signing an NDA alongside the MOU. Yes, absolutely. There will be NDAs signed at every step of the process, by everyone involved in the process. Totally binding, can be very punitive, and are separate agreements.
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I've got to ask, but you obviously don't have to answer:
What do you bill per hour?
 
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did anyone get the total Attendance for last night, I know it was better than expected but fans were spread out alot u couldnt tell by looking.
 
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