Official Jon Gruden Thread XXII

[RockyTopSC]

My information lines up closer with RokytopSC but still very close to same... one day will get to discuss exactly what we all heard ... maybe SOON!

Most of what we are getting is about the same. Just a little different as we do not talk to the same people. I think or hope that means that the fundamental information is correct. I have had some conversations over the last couple of days that lead me to believe we are in good shape. Again this is all from the booster ring nothing from the AD. I talked to friend that is above me in the hierarchy last night. And the final comment from him was “I finally think we are there just some timing issues have to be worked out”

 

[VFLnSFD]

Thanks for that.....very interesting read.

You're welcome.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Side note: I think I have a squirrel stuck in my wall.

 

[RSATURDAY]

Sister. You must be new here.

No long time memeber. Are you a female? I don't understand the sister part.

 

[VFLnSFD]

I know!!!!

 

[VolFan32]

FWIW…I saw the early list of candidates that Currie wants to look at. It’s a solid list of coaches. The approach will be to rank them and start reaching out to their agents to find out who’s willing to listen, what it’s going to take for them to leave/accept, and see if they can put together a package that is a win-win. I will tell you that Gruden’s name is on the list, but the advice they’re getting is to not pursue him. The reasons why…coaches who have spent a majority of their time in the NFL rarely succeed in college. The rare exceptions are Pete Carroll and Barry Switzer. You can say Harbough, but he started off as a college coach at Stanford. For every 2 or 3 that have done well, there are 18 others like Chan Gailey that have failed. You must play the odds with this hire. The second piece Gruden hasn’t coached in a long time. Why do you think that’s the case? The feedback I was given is he has a reputation of being a very difficult coach to work for. This comes from his former players and assistant coaches. Plus, he really hasn’t had to work hard in several years, so nobody knows how he’ll do on the recruiting trail, meet & greet/roadshows, etc. For someone to post that it’s 98% likely that the Gruden deal is done is simply not true.

There are a handful of other coaches on the list that would be a much better match if they’re willing to listen. Most of them are head coaches, but there are a few OC’s on there as well. What I can tell you is Fuente, Venables, Kiffin, Stoops, Peterson, Patterson, Norvell, Miles, and Jimbo are not being considered at this time. That can obviously change. If we can land one of the A list coaches, I think most of the Vol nation will be happy. The X factor are the other coaching vacancies that could open up this year, including UCLA, Nebraska, Arkansas, Texas A&M, and possibly USC. That doesn’t include the obvious ones at Ole Miss, Oregon State, and possibly Washington State if Leach follows his ex. AD to Nebraska, but the fan base there are foaming at the mouth to get Scott Frost.

Prior to this search, Tennessee had a contract with a search firm out of Atlanta called Parker Executive Search, but they found a loop hole in the contract and have severed ties. That have one guy who is extremely well thought in the coaching search space that Currie has engaged as a trusted advisor. The real insiders can verify this.

Looks like Currie is going to get one of his leakers.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

So I know two individuals who are involved in the process of handling the current situation with our head football coach. One I know in a collegial professional capacity, the other I have worked with on internal university issues on the academic administration side. These individuals do not know each other. They are very professional, and have not, nor would not leak detailed information to me regarding the situation. I have stated on here numerous times for these reasons that jobs were at stake. Up to this point, they had not given me any information that we weren't hearing from other people, so I didn't feel the need to bring anything up that would simply come across as "oh yeah, MY source said that too!" I've limited myself mostly to logical speculation on what we all could see, and only spoken definitively about things I knew factually to be true. For example "anyone bringing salary numbers is trolling or misinformed."

At no point have either of my sources told me "Gruden." They are not going to say a name until the coach is announced. They know my position on Gruden. So I am reading between the lines on identity, but I feel comfortable doing so.

Last night around 6:30 pm, I heard from the professional colleague regarding his/her participation in events. His job is completed, and he does not expect to have to do any additional work. I know he has been working on his part since Tuesday of the bye week, because he has been absolutely silent. We talked before he went dark, and his silence was expected for the duration of his work. The fact that he doesn't have anything else to do at this point, I took as a good sign, but was only a single data point.

This morning, I heard from the individual I know on the academic administration side. We have communicated with each other at length since 2013 on policy and philosophical issues related to the University's direction. Much of my thinking on the overall direction of the school has been shaped by conversations with this individual. Based on our talk this morning, I believe that the academic faction has capitulated on significant issues related to the independence of the football program. I believe that this has been one of the bigger issues affecting our coaching situation that hasn't really been discussed. Again, both of these individuals are aware of my thoughts on Gruden without saying a name. Both of these individuals have confirmed for me that in their respective areas of competence, the process has been completed, and will enter the next phase.

I am bringing this now because I heard from both of them within 24 hours, independent of each other, and because the timing seems congruent with the reports we are hearing from other folks (DTO, Atlanta Vol, etc) And I find it VERY interesting that I was hearing from one of my people at about the same time VFL92 was making his/her post.

Looks to me like the ducks are in a row. TIFWIW, but I would now put myself at 99% Gruden.

 

[VFLnSFD]

No long time memeber. Are you a female? I don't understand the sister part.

Yes. It is well documented in this thread which is why I said you must be new. I didn't mean new to VN.

 

[Coastypop]

So I know two individuals who are involved in the process of handling the current situation with our head football coach. One I know in a collegial professional capacity, the other I have worked with on internal university issues on the academic administration side. These individuals do not know each other. They are very professional, and have not, nor would not leak detailed information to me regarding the situation. I have stated on here numerous times for these reasons that jobs were at stake. Up to this point, they had not given me any information that we weren't hearing from other people, so I didn't feel the need to bring anything up that would simply come across as "oh yeah, MY source said that too!" I've limited myself mostly to logical speculation on what we all could see, and only spoken definitively about things I knew factually to be true. For example "anyone bringing salary numbers is trolling or misinformed."



At no point have either of my sources told me "Gruden." They are not going to say a name until the coach is announced. They know my position on Gruden. So I am reading between the lines on identity, but I feel comfortable doing so.



Last night around 6:30 pm, I heard from the professional colleague regarding his/her participation in events. His job is completed, and he does not expect to have to do any additional work. I know he has been working on his part since Tuesday of the bye week, because he has been absolutely silent. We talked before he went dark, and his silence was expected for the duration of his work. The fact that he doesn't have anything else to do at this point, I took as a good sign, but was only a single data point.



This morning, I heard from the individual I know on the academic administration side. We have communicated with each other at length since 2013 on policy and philosophical issues related to the University's direction. Much of my thinking on the overall direction of the school has been shaped by conversations with this individual. Based on our talk this morning, I believe that the academic faction has capitulated on significant issues related to the independence of the football program. I believe that this has been one of the bigger issues affecting our coaching situation that hasn't really been discussed. Again, both of these individuals are aware of my thoughts on Gruden without saying a name. Both of these individuals have confirmed for me that in their respective areas of competence, the process has been completed, and will enter the next phase.



I am bringing this now because I heard from both of them within 24 hours, independent of each other, and because the timing seems congruent with the reports we are hearing from other folks (DTO, Atlanta Vol, etc) And I find it VERY interesting that I was hearing from one of my people at about the same time VFL92 was making his/her post.



Looks to me like the ducks are in a row. TIFWIW, but I would now put myself at 99% Gruden.

Wow 99% .... I think I will rest at 90


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[Boca Vol]

She has two surgeries, my son had one about three weeks ago then a week ago broke his collar bone. And today is his birthday so fun at my house lol...

Wow! You need all the prayers you can get. Sent...although it feels strange to ask the man upstairs to look out for knucklehead...

 

[allvolbaker12]

If Butch is fired Sunday. They have to post the job for so long I believe cause I work for UT and they have to post it and keep it open. Or is it not true the head coach is different

 

[VolInNorthCack]

So I know two individuals who are involved in the process of handling the current situation with our head football coach. One I know in a collegial professional capacity, the other I have worked with on internal university issues on the academic administration side. These individuals do not know each other. They are very professional, and have not, nor would not leak detailed information to me regarding the situation. I have stated on here numerous times for these reasons that jobs were at stake. Up to this point, they had not given me any information that we weren't hearing from other people, so I didn't feel the need to bring anything up that would simply come across as "oh yeah, MY source said that too!" I've limited myself mostly to logical speculation on what we all could see, and only spoken definitively about things I knew factually to be true. For example "anyone bringing salary numbers is trolling or misinformed."

At no point have either of my sources told me "Gruden." They are not going to say a name until the coach is announced. They know my position on Gruden. So I am reading between the lines on identity, but I feel comfortable doing so.

Last night around 6:30 pm, I heard from the professional colleague regarding his/her participation in events. His job is completed, and he does not expect to have to do any additional work. I know he has been working on his part since Tuesday of the bye week, because he has been absolutely silent. We talked before he went dark, and his silence was expected for the duration of his work. The fact that he doesn't have anything else to do at this point, I took as a good sign, but was only a single data point.

This morning, I heard from the individual I know on the academic administration side. We have communicated with each other at length since 2013 on policy and philosophical issues related to the University's direction. Much of my thinking on the overall direction of the school has been shaped by conversations with this individual. Based on our talk this morning, I believe that the academic faction has capitulated on significant issues related to the independence of the football program. I believe that this has been one of the bigger issues affecting our coaching situation that hasn't really been discussed. Again, both of these individuals are aware of my thoughts on Gruden without saying a name. Both of these individuals have confirmed for me that in their respective areas of competence, the process has been completed, and will enter the next phase.

I am bringing this now because I heard from both of them within 24 hours, independent of each other, and because the timing seems congruent with the reports we are hearing from other folks (DTO, Atlanta Vol, etc) And I find it VERY interesting that I was hearing from one of my people at about the same time VFL92 was making his/her post.

Looks to me like the ducks are in a row. TIFWIW, but I would now put myself at 99% Gruden.

Wow. VFL92, Boro and Exile all lining up. 3 sources and it's true! Isn't that what they teach in journalism school? :clapping:

 

[Nash_Vol97]

Y’all are getting trolled so hard. I love this thread but seriously the insiders here are laughable. Try not to take the fall too hard when we hire a google coach. Butch hasn’t been fired because they have no clue who they would replace him with. If gruden were “a done deal”, why on earth would you even consider keeping butch another minute. The profit from bringing in gruden would squash any loss or buyout from firing butch.

 

[UTVolinExile]

Wow. VFL92, Boro and Exile all lining up. 3 sources and it's true! Isn't that what they teach in journalism school? :clapping:

For different values of "source," sure.

 

[crparker21]

For those that are feeling good about things now, how does it compare to 2012 before the ballon burst?

A lot more info was coming from AD last time.

 

[aRmo]

If Butch is fired Sunday. They have to post the job for so long I believe cause I work for UT and they have to post it and keep it open. Or is it not true the head coach is different

No, Texas didn’t. They fired strong and had announced the Herman hire within a few days.

 

[RSATURDAY]

Yes. It is well documented in this thread which is why I said you must be new. I didn't mean new to VN.

Ah gotcha I had not read previous pages. Thanks for your help mam on the preacherwebb info I'll be sure to dip, duck dive and dodge.

 

[VOL_Lyfe]

If Butch is fired Sunday. They have to post the job for so long I believe cause I work for UT and they have to post it and keep it open. Or is it not true the head coach is different

I'm more of the mind that since The One Who Was Promised is coming, that it makes more sense to let Lyle finish out the season, rather than start an interim-coach kerfluffle that would just have to be undone again at season's end. Less trouble that way, and, hell, Lyle's already paid for.

JMO

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

So I know two individuals who are involved in the process of handling the current situation with our head football coach. One I know in a collegial professional capacity, the other I have worked with on internal university issues on the academic administration side. These individuals do not know each other. They are very professional, and have not, nor would not leak detailed information to me regarding the situation. I have stated on here numerous times for these reasons that jobs were at stake. Up to this point, they had not given me any information that we weren't hearing from other people, so I didn't feel the need to bring anything up that would simply come across as "oh yeah, MY source said that too!" I've limited myself mostly to logical speculation on what we all could see, and only spoken definitively about things I knew factually to be true. For example "anyone bringing salary numbers is trolling or misinformed."

At no point have either of my sources told me "Gruden." They are not going to say a name until the coach is announced. They know my position on Gruden. So I am reading between the lines on identity, but I feel comfortable doing so.

Last night around 6:30 pm, I heard from the professional colleague regarding his/her participation in events. His job is completed, and he does not expect to have to do any additional work. I know he has been working on his part since Tuesday of the bye week, because he has been absolutely silent. We talked before he went dark, and his silence was expected for the duration of his work. The fact that he doesn't have anything else to do at this point, I took as a good sign, but was only a single data point.

This morning, I heard from the individual I know on the academic administration side. We have communicated with each other at length since 2013 on policy and philosophical issues related to the University's direction. Much of my thinking on the overall direction of the school has been shaped by conversations with this individual. Based on our talk this morning, I believe that the academic faction has capitulated on significant issues related to the independence of the football program. I believe that this has been one of the bigger issues affecting our coaching situation that hasn't really been discussed. Again, both of these individuals are aware of my thoughts on Gruden without saying a name. Both of these individuals have confirmed for me that in their respective areas of competence, the process has been completed, and will enter the next phase.

I am bringing this now because I heard from both of them within 24 hours, independent of each other, and because the timing seems congruent with the reports we are hearing from other folks (DTO, Atlanta Vol, etc) And I find it VERY interesting that I was hearing from one of my people at about the same time VFL92 was making his/her post.

Looks to me like the ducks are in a row. TIFWIW, but I would now put myself at 99% Gruden.

-10 internets for excessive use of "individuals".
Too Butchy.

 

[Coastypop]

FWIW…I saw the early list of candidates that Currie wants to look at. It’s a solid list of coaches. The approach will be to rank them and start reaching out to their agents to find out who’s willing to listen, what it’s going to take for them to leave/accept, and see if they can put together a package that is a win-win. I will tell you that Gruden’s name is on the list, but the advice they’re getting is to not pursue him. The reasons why…coaches who have spent a majority of their time in the NFL rarely succeed in college. The rare exceptions are Pete Carroll and Barry Switzer. You can say Harbough, but he started off as a college coach at Stanford. For every 2 or 3 that have done well, there are 18 others like Chan Gailey that have failed. You must play the odds with this hire. The second piece Gruden hasn’t coached in a long time. Why do you think that’s the case? The feedback I was given is he has a reputation of being a very difficult coach to work for. This comes from his former players and assistant coaches. Plus, he really hasn’t had to work hard in several years, so nobody knows how he’ll do on the recruiting trail, meet & greet/roadshows, etc. For someone to post that it’s 98% likely that the Gruden deal is done is simply not true.



There are a handful of other coaches on the list that would be a much better match if they’re willing to listen. Most of them are head coaches, but there are a few OC’s on there as well. What I can tell you is Fuente, Venables, Kiffin, Stoops, Peterson, Patterson, Norvell, Miles, and Jimbo are not being considered at this time. That can obviously change. If we can land one of the A list coaches, I think most of the Vol nation will be happy. The X factor are the other coaching vacancies that could open up this year, including UCLA, Nebraska, Arkansas, Texas A&M, and possibly USC. That doesn’t include the obvious ones at Ole Miss, Oregon State, and possibly Washington State if Leach follows his ex. AD to Nebraska, but the fan base there are foaming at the mouth to get Scott Frost.



Prior to this search, Tennessee had a contract with a search firm out of Atlanta called Parker Executive Search, but they found a loop hole in the contract and have severed ties. They have one guy who is extremely well thought in the coaching search space that Currie has engaged as a trusted adviser. The real insiders can verify this.

Preacher... where are you?


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[BearCat204]

Y’all are getting trolled so hard. I love this thread but seriously the insiders here are laughable. Try not to take the fall too hard when we hire a google coach. Butch hasn’t been fired because they have no clue who they would replace him with. If gruden were “a done deal”, why on earth would you even consider keeping butch another minute. The profit from bringing in gruden would squash any loss or buyout from firing butch.

Noted

 

[InVOLuntary]

So I know two individuals who are involved in the process of handling the current situation with our head football coach. One I know in a collegial professional capacity, the other I have worked with on internal university issues on the academic administration side. These individuals do not know each other. They are very professional, and have not, nor would not leak detailed information to me regarding the situation. I have stated on here numerous times for these reasons that jobs were at stake. Up to this point, they had not given me any information that we weren't hearing from other people, so I didn't feel the need to bring anything up that would simply come across as "oh yeah, MY source said that too!" I've limited myself mostly to logical speculation on what we all could see, and only spoken definitively about things I knew factually to be true. For example "anyone bringing salary numbers is trolling or misinformed."

At no point have either of my sources told me "Gruden." They are not going to say a name until the coach is announced. They know my position on Gruden. So I am reading between the lines on identity, but I feel comfortable doing so.

Last night around 6:30 pm, I heard from the professional colleague regarding his/her participation in events. His job is completed, and he does not expect to have to do any additional work. I know he has been working on his part since Tuesday of the bye week, because he has been absolutely silent. We talked before he went dark, and his silence was expected for the duration of his work. The fact that he doesn't have anything else to do at this point, I took as a good sign, but was only a single data point.

This morning, I heard from the individual I know on the academic administration side. We have communicated with each other at length since 2013 on policy and philosophical issues related to the University's direction. Much of my thinking on the overall direction of the school has been shaped by conversations with this individual. Based on our talk this morning, I believe that the academic faction has capitulated on significant issues related to the independence of the football program. I believe that this has been one of the bigger issues affecting our coaching situation that hasn't really been discussed. Again, both of these individuals are aware of my thoughts on Gruden without saying a name. Both of these individuals have confirmed for me that in their respective areas of competence, the process has been completed, and will enter the next phase.

I am bringing this now because I heard from both of them within 24 hours, independent of each other, and because the timing seems congruent with the reports we are hearing from other folks (DTO, Atlanta Vol, etc) And I find it VERY interesting that I was hearing from one of my people at about the same time VFL92 was making his/her post.

Looks to me like the ducks are in a row. TIFWIW, but I would now put myself at 99% Gruden.

 

[jutvols]

Now we need Lyle to take an exit!!

 

[37L1]

What a seismic shift in the SEC. UT is instantly relevant again. College Gameday would be fighting to broadcast from Knoxville every home game. The Great Grude's salary would be made up in the first season's enhanced revenue stream, easily.

Would be Beatles, 1964, all over again, SEC version.

Let's do this

#soon

 

[LakeMaryFLVol]

So I know two individuals who are involved in the process of handling the current situation with our head football coach. One I know in a collegial professional capacity, the other I have worked with on internal university issues on the academic administration side. These individuals do not know each other. They are very professional, and have not, nor would not leak detailed information to me regarding the situation. I have stated on here numerous times for these reasons that jobs were at stake. Up to this point, they had not given me any information that we weren't hearing from other people, so I didn't feel the need to bring anything up that would simply come across as "oh yeah, MY source said that too!" I've limited myself mostly to logical speculation on what we all could see, and only spoken definitively about things I knew factually to be true. For example "anyone bringing salary numbers is trolling or misinformed."

At no point have either of my sources told me "Gruden." They are not going to say a name until the coach is announced. They know my position on Gruden. So I am reading between the lines on identity, but I feel comfortable doing so.

Last night around 6:30 pm, I heard from the professional colleague regarding his/her participation in events. His job is completed, and he does not expect to have to do any additional work. I know he has been working on his part since Tuesday of the bye week, because he has been absolutely silent. We talked before he went dark, and his silence was expected for the duration of his work. The fact that he doesn't have anything else to do at this point, I took as a good sign, but was only a single data point.

This morning, I heard from the individual I know on the academic administration side. We have communicated with each other at length since 2013 on policy and philosophical issues related to the University's direction. Much of my thinking on the overall direction of the school has been shaped by conversations with this individual. Based on our talk this morning, I believe that the academic faction has capitulated on significant issues related to the independence of the football program. I believe that this has been one of the bigger issues affecting our coaching situation that hasn't really been discussed. Again, both of these individuals are aware of my thoughts on Gruden without saying a name. Both of these individuals have confirmed for me that in their respective areas of competence, the process has been completed, and will enter the next phase.

I am bringing this now because I heard from both of them within 24 hours, independent of each other, and because the timing seems congruent with the reports we are hearing from other folks (DTO, Atlanta Vol, etc) And I find it VERY interesting that I was hearing from one of my people at about the same time VFL92 was making his/her post.

Looks to me like the ducks are in a row. TIFWIW, but I would now put myself at 99% Gruden.

The one fact that I will take from this is that if we lose to KY he will be fired on Sun. The other is also a HUGE deal and would be a broad type of topic that I would cover or gain assurances for on behalf of a candidate. To me a "done deal" is more likely large concerns addressed to clear way for serious discussions after he is fired 2 parties
probing initial interest. Hitting any objections or info requests ..All at about 20,000 feet type non granular conversations. Having read all ..My sense is major hurdles have been covered by 3rd parties (all in an unofficial capacity)And all verbally. Due diligence has been completed and buyout ready to go with loss this weekend. Following the firing detailed discussions and serious negotiations take place along with outreach to potential staff. Still could fall through but we have a heck of a better chance this time around and we also have ESPN and their current dysfunction to thank for a lot of it