Official Jon Gruden Thread XXI

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UTVolinExile said:
And to clarify, I don't think the battle over control is being fought because new coach is making unreasonable demands. I think it's a core philosophy struggle between University and the outside interests over how the academic side interacts with the athletic side, and whether academic side should predominate. I think the case being made on the athletic side is that a rising tide raises all boats. When athletics excels, it helps academics.
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Logical post, i agree.
 
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Coastypop said:
Not if Butch had already signed his departure agreement as has been reported here by a few
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This is my theory tol. Butch has signed a release agreement with contingencies based on W-L, but no later than day after a bowl game if there is one. So theoretically there is an opening allowing a MOU to be signed with contract date language effective the day after the last Monday night football game.
 
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Honestly, you guys in here that are certain of a Butch departure are the ones keeping my hope alive.

Even though a mouthpiece a-hole, when I hear Griffith say he's probably not going anywhere, I let it anger/depress me all over again.

If keeping Butch is even remotely in Currie's way of thinking, then they may as well close up shop in Neyland.
 
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onevol74 said:
As far as insider information is concerned, I am just an old outsider poster looking in. I did not buy into the theories being promoted by MIT-beaver. I thought on many an occasion that he was trying to overstate his significance with every thread he made. As I said in one of my posts that people with credibility do not have to prove it, and he was highly overstating his.

That is not to say that I do not believe that Gruden is coming here. There does seem to be some early posts from Boro and Coasty, before MIT-beaver, that I thought were significant and have not been rebuked here. In my assessment of this situation I feel I can trust the sources that we had in 2012 since in my belief there was something to Gruden coming to UT at that time, which has been verified by Hyams and others.

I also think that the AD and boosters are maintaining a high level of secrecy due to the fact that there is something major in the works. I think it is also suspicious that there are some good sources on this board from the past that are completely silent to lend credence to that theory. I sincerely hope for the sake of the program that is true.

I do have one question. Atlanta Vol, is that the same reliable poster from the past? I am confused by a post by either Coasty or Boro that this is not the same person that they trusted in from the past.

After thinking this thing thru for days and considering the effort and money that UT says that they are willing to put into this here are my top 3 choices in order:

1. John Harbaugh, hard worker, current NFL coach, Super Bowl Ring, supposedly loves to teach the game. He along with his brother would be a thorn in Saban’s side. I think he is hard nosed and would not play sissy offense or defense.

2. Jon Gruden, hard worker, former NFL coach, Super Bowl Ring, loves UT, would energize the fan base much like the day in early December 1976 when Johnny came marching home. He would be a media darling and attract positive attention to a program that seriously needs it. He also would play hard nosed football and have the intensive attitude that this fan base would appreciate.

3. Scott Frost, up and comer with sound coaching principles who could really relate to recruits. But he lacks big name recognition and from reading several articles I am not sure he would leave UCF. He is smart enough to get into Stanford and is very calculating about his career.

As I said earlier, I am an outsider looking in and from early information by posters on this board I think that Gruden is possible, if not in the works. Having said all of this the one thing that really concerns me is if there is a possibility that Currie is STUPID enough to keep a coach that does not want to be here. I hope there is some kind of gaming going on and we are not looking at the end of a storied program. That would be the result of that type of thinking, if true.
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I in the beginning thought that "Bubba" was a trusted poster from another site and confirmed him to quickly... later corrected it but some may not have seen my correction...... This may be what you are referring to
 
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UTVolinExile said:
And to clarify, I don't think the battle over control is being fought because new coach is making unreasonable demands. I think it's a core philosophy struggle between University and the outside interests over how the academic side interacts with the athletic side, and whether academic side should predominate. I think the case being made on the athletic side is that a rising tide raises all boats. When athletics excels, it helps academics.
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I do not believe in sacrificing academics for athletics. To to that enables entitlement. Athletes should not be given privileges that other students do not have. There is a balance and it should be maintained. Only 5 percent of the football players have a chance to get to the NFL and the other 95 percent need to be qualified for the real world.

If we are paying a coach $5mil and he can’t figure that out then he does not have the best interest of the player in mind. I have been a Butch critic since year one, but the guy has done an excellent job in this area.
 
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onevol74 said:
...I do have one question. Atlanta Vol, is that the same reliable poster from the past? I am confused by a post by either Coasty or Boro that this is not the same person that they trusted in from the past.

After thinking this thing thru for days and considering the effort and money that UT says that they are willing to put into this here are my top 3 choices in order:

1. John Harbaugh, hard worker, current NFL coach, Super Bowl Ring, supposedly loves to teach the game. He along with his brother would be a thorn in Saban’s side. I think he is hard nosed and would not play sissy offense or defense.

2. Jon Gruden, hard worker, former NFL coach, Super Bowl Ring, loves UT, would energize the fan base much like the day in early December 1976 when Johnny came marching home. He would be a media darling and attract positive attention to a program that seriously needs it. He also would play hard nosed football and have the intensive attitude that this fan base would appreciate.

3. Scott Frost, up and comer with sound coaching principles who could really relate to recruits. But he lacks big name recognition and from reading several articles I am not sure he would leave UCF. He is smart enough to get into Stanford and is very calculating about his career.

As I said earlier, I am an outsider looking in and from early information by posters on this board I think that Gruden is possible, if not in the works. Having said all of this the one thing that really concerns me is if there is a possibility that Currie is STUPID enough to keep a coach that does not want to be here. I hope there is some kind of gaming going on and we are not looking at the end of a storied program. That would be the result of that type of thinking, if true.
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I think there was (is?)some confusion about Atlanta Vol (insider status) vs. ATL Vol. I'm gonna go on record as saying I think MIT had legit info, not sure about his motivation to post but don't think it was nefarious (tend to think he wanted info out there to avoid any backpedaling). My Grudometer is 90-95%!
 
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UTVolinExile said:
In My Opinion...

Butch and UT reached an accord. There is either a date certain where he is no longer the coach, or the date is contingent on another occurrence.

There are two wrinkles on the new coach side. It's not the money. One wrinkle is the extent of coach control, that battle is being fought between boosters and administration. Academic Admin. is the problem here.

Second wrinkle is extracting new coach from some of his preexisting contractual obligations.

I think it will get worked out, but you can't just snap your fingers and make these wrinkles disappear.
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Now that the AD financial situation is back to self-funding and contributing back to the general fund, the academic administration needs to worry about their own problems. Their only concern about sports should be making sure the finanacials continue to improve and the department continues to have its athletes succeed academically. Hiring Gruden helps the first and does not hurt the second, therefore they have neither part nor lot in the matter.
 
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tastycar said:
Honestly, you guys in here that are certain of a Butch departure are the ones keeping my hope alive.

Even though a mouthpiece a-hole, when I hear Griffith say he's probably not going anywhere, I let it anger/depress me all over again.

If keeping Butch is even remotely in Currie's way of thinking, then they may as well close up shop in Neyland.
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If Butch stops short, Griffith will break his nose.
 
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tastycar said:
Honestly, you guys in here that are certain of a Butch departure are the ones keeping my hope alive.

Even though a mouthpiece a-hole, when I hear Griffith say he's probably not going anywhere, I let it anger/depress me all over again.

If keeping Butch is even remotely in Currie's way of thinking, then they may as well close up shop in Neyland.
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Why would you listen to a mouthpiece a-hole over the fine ladies and gentlemen in this thread? :)
 
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Coastypop said:
I in the beginning thought that "Bubba" was a trusted poster from another site and confirmed him to quickly... later corrected it but some may not have seen my correction...... This may be what you are referring to
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I stand correct Coasty, you are correct. Thanks! And thanks to you, Boro, and DTO for what you all have brought to this thread.
 
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