Official Jon Gruden Thread XLVI

[Mike4Vols]

Nope, I prefer to remain anonymous. I only have one real life friend on Twitter.

But I do remarkably resemble her

Ha. Well done.

I've been following your tweets (along with several other people here). I noticed your profile picture and clicked on it. Lordy girl.

 

[Dudleys87]

not sure if Leach would be a Haslam hire, CML would tell Haslam to GTFO, IMO

While this is true.

Look at the bigger picture here

He’d be handcuffed the minute he stepped on campus and if he stepped out of line he’d be out.

If that wasn’t the case then they’d bottle neck the funds to keep the status quo in check

 

[revjayp]

Its not Leach. You dont get rid of Currie and Haslam by letting them call the hire. They hire they win.

RO, I think it’s down to you, me and ViJ. Lol...

 

[ButchPlz]

tl;dr: the mysterious and largely hidden Movement Leaders have lost my support. They can get it back by explaining, with great clarity, in detail, the goal and a plan to achieve it. Short of that, I'm backing Leach and any follow-on coaching candidates who make sense given where we are at the time.

Be careful, apparently anything but blind faith in people who expect our utmost trust and love (with no evidence) gets you a hefty 'GTFO' around here.


I've been saying for two days now that those 'insiders' and 'boosters' need to provide us evidence, because right now we're acting like a bunch of fools.

They haven't, and they refuse to, so the logical assumption is that they were LARPers facilitating this farce.

 

[Sudden Impact]

No matter who we hire....Do you think that Currie will be trusted, ever? No....He will be run out of town by the fan base....

 

[RagingOrange]

not sure if Leach would be a Haslam hire, CML would tell Haslam to GTFO, IMO

Nope. Haslam and Currie dont just hire a guy that will give them lip. Anyone who thinks different is thick.

 

[OldTimer]

"WSU head football coach Mike Leach also received a $200,000 raise to bring his annual compensation package up from $2.75 million to $2.95 million this year.Mar 2, 2016"

for $5.5-6 million, Leach is in............#1 Gruden #2 Leach

 

[Halph66]

Here comes Gruden, Here comes Gruden, right down Fulmer Way
Lane is a *****, Gruden is a Grinder, a champion who will stay
Jon's recruiting, Phil's pooting, all is merry and bright
so pray to Drunk Johnny and lardaass Phil that Gruden comes through tonight. OOOOOOOOHH.
Her comes Gruden, Here Comes Gruden, right down Peyton Pass
those who doubt the word of Revere will kiss my rosie red ass
kids will clamor, adults will get hammered, butts will fill the seats.
a great recruiter, a real straight shooter, Gruden is tough to beat.
Merry Christman Vols

Awesome. :rock:

 

[UT_King]

How serious are the Leach talks? He seems too eccentric to be able to work here. I think he’s overrated and would be a bad fit here. Obviously I’m in the minority.

Leach is definitely interested. If it doesn't happen, it'll be because UT blocked it. Watch for Feldman on this one...

 

[RagingOrange]

RO, I think it’s down to you, me and ViJ. Lol...

Honestly all the spineless "give me a coach we dont care anymore" losers can gtfo. Nobody has any spine any more.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

I have learned from last night's Big Wig meeting that the Miami Hurricanes have become the first candidate to be Doyle Hargraves' new team if the Tennessee AD completely crap his pants with their coaching hire. Doyle has not struck a deal with the Canes but things are sounding positive. I am told there are other teams on his super secret list he is going to consider. More updates to come as information is leaked.

-Doyle Hargraves

 

[OldTimer]

While this is true.

Look at the bigger picture here

He’d be handcuffed the minute he stepped on campus and if he stepped out of line he’d be out.

If that wasn’t the case then they’d bottle neck the funds to keep the status quo in check

Nope. Haslam and Currie dont just hire a guy that will give them lip. Anyone who thinks different is thick.

we don't know whats happening behind the scenes.......Paul Vol has indicated the good side is winning. IDK and either does anyone else who's running the search right now.

 

[Hawkpilot]

John needs to go before we hire. Installing a new AD may take some time. David is not a candidate and mostly likely will not be for the foreseeable future. I would suggest to start beating the drum for Charles (Davis). That is where my attention has turned in the meetings and discussions I have been apart of over the last 24hrs.

Is he going to be to busy working compliance?

 

[vol.E]

While this is true.

Look at the bigger picture here

He’d be handcuffed the minute he stepped on campus and if he stepped out of line he’d be out.

If that wasn’t the case then they’d bottle neck the funds to keep the status quo in check

If you think the social media/fan uprising is bad now...imagine what would happen if Leach did come, and DID win, and HoH and the goons tried to 'handcuff' him..

You think he'd be quiet about it?

Honestly this would both get you a coach and accomplish the larger task everyone seems to be looking out for IMO.

 

[RagingOrange]

No matter who we hire....Do you think that Currie will be trusted, ever? No....He will be run out of town by the fan base....

He would be fired after any hire, but we dont need him effing it upbefore he goes and leaving us with the 3 year coaching VD.

 

[BJWeeks]

Big News

 

[Coastypop]

David is dealing with other things from what I understand and I will leave it at that and ask that everyone respect that and please don’t run wild with speculation. We should just start a public push for Charles. Strategically our friends at the NAACP may help us out with that one.

Thanks for the update... Charles Davis it is!

 

[Mike4Vols]

Okay, I was all in on this "social movement" while it was about trying to find the best coach for the University of Tennessee. I thought that was the goal. Turns out we've veered off into some political crusade that is only tangentially related to that goal, and may even be harmful to it.

We stood up to Currie last Sunday because he tried to trot out Schiano, a hugely underwhelming option, a man of questionable character who is also, apparently, not a very good leader or football coach. When we did that, we had the goal firmly in mind. The goal was Gruden, or Patterson, or Peterson, or another coach of that pedigree. Shciano was a miserable first failure, and it was right to object. Good so far.

Then the goal morphed a little. It remained to find a great coach...but it also started being about firing Currie. Which I'm totally good with; the man has shown some fairly incredible incompetence in the realms of communication, expectation management, values and leadership. So I didn't mind adding "fire Currie" as a second goal.

Then the goal shifted again, so that "fire Currie" took first place in the list of goals. Finding a great coach dropped into the secondary position. And that was okay, sort of, since it didn't look like Currie would find any coach worth a damn anyway.

But quietly in there, growing slowly in volume as the days went along, the goal was morphing again. Firing Currie wasn't enough, we needed to somehow separate Jimmy Haslam from the program, remove his influence. This was introduced as the Game Behind the Game, the Big Win.

And a lot of us, me included, saw what we thought were Actors with Purpose leading that charge. The enigmatic Beav and Bubba, of course, but most of all, Atlanta_Vol. AV being kind and generous to the kinds of people we like to care about, parents with children and vets, and that gave him huge instant credibility, and he said this is what it's all about, it is a Booster War, one that will turn out great for Tennessee if we can only win it. And our part, as fans, was to make things uncomfortable for the Haslam-Currie duo, to give the Booster Cabal time, energy and support to do...well, whatever it is they expected to do.

Errm...what was that, exactly? None of this Booster Cabal have ever explained what they're trying to do. Or how they mean to accomplish it. Is the goal to vote Bill Haslam out of the Board of Trustees Chairmanship? Or is it to in some other way force Bill to tell Jimmy to back off, leave the program alone? How exactly, I mean precisely, do they expect to accomplish that? And exactly how long do they expect that to last? And how do they expect to enforce it, say, six months from now? Or two years from now? Ten?

And if it's not about a long-term solution, if it's only about getting Haslam and Currie out of the way so we can get the best possible coach for the program now, if that's all it's about, then why are we supposed to rail against even decent coaching options that Currie comes up with?

I've read not one or two, but several people here, who have written that we need to fight to prevent any coach from being hired as long as Currie still has his job and Haslam is in the background pulling strings.

What if Currie gets Gruden? We fight that?

What if he gets Patterson? Or Peterson?

I'm not saying Currie could land any of them, or any great option at this point, only pointing out that our priorities have become all jumbled.

What the heck are we doing here?

For me, this is about getting a great coach. I am amenable to it being about more, about removing the Haslam influence from our program, but only if someone who actually knows what the Boosters are doing (not guesses, or thinks they know, but literally and truly knows ) can explain in great detail what the plan is, what result we're shooting for and how we expect to get there, and how it will give this program long-term benefits.

Short of that, I'm dropping back to our foundations: about us getting the best coach we can.

Right now, that might be Mike Leach. I'm not hugely in love with him as an option, but he may be our best choice.

That's where I see us being, today.




tl;dr: the mysterious and largely hidden Movement Leaders have lost my support. They can get it back by explaining, with great clarity, in detail, the goal and a plan to achieve it. Short of that, I'm backing Leach and any follow-on coaching candidates who make sense given where we are at the time.

That's a big turnaround for you. And you nailed it.

 

[Smokeyshowl66]

I have learned from last night's Big Wig meeting that the Miami Hurricanes have become the first candidate to be Doyle Hargraves' new team if the Tennessee AD completely crap his pants with their coaching hire. Doyle has not struck a deal with the Canes but things are sounding positive. I am told there are other teams on his super secret list he is going to consider. More updates to come as information is leaked.

-Doyle Hargraves

You spelled all the names correct in this statement. That's not allowed in this thread.

 

[RagingOrange]

Is he going to be to busy working compliance?

He asked not to soeculate but I just got this frelin

 

[RockyTopSC]

How serious are the Leach talks? He seems too eccentric to be able to work here. I think he’s overrated and would be a bad fit here. Obviously I’m in the minority.

If John can push him through he will. However I think others are worried about the fit situation also.

 

[Coastypop]

Big News

Could be a little pay back from Fulmer

 

[RagingOrange]

Big News

Go Phil.

 

[utvfl23]

Hey guys and girls, I work for the Carolina Panthers and I know that someone on our coaching staff was contacted by Currie about some sort of position with Tennessee this week. Pretty sure it wasn't Ron Rivera, think it was either Mike Shula or Steve Wilks. Don't know anything else. This might be a moot point if Mike Leach is the hire, but thought it was interesting enough that I should sign up and let you guys know.

Steve Wilks worked with Dale Jones at App state???

 

[iamadoc]

Okay, I was all in on this "social movement" while it was about trying to find the best coach for the University of Tennessee. I thought that was the goal. Turns out we've veered off into some political crusade that is only tangentially related to that goal, and may even be harmful to it.

We stood up to Currie last Sunday because he tried to trot out Schiano, a hugely underwhelming option, a man of questionable character who is also, apparently, not a very good leader or football coach. When we did that, we had the goal firmly in mind. The goal was Gruden, or Patterson, or Peterson, or another coach of that pedigree. Shciano was a miserable first failure, and it was right to object. Good so far.

Then the goal morphed a little. It remained to find a great coach...but it also started being about firing Currie. Which I'm totally good with; the man has shown some fairly incredible incompetence in the realms of communication, expectation management, values and leadership. So I didn't mind adding "fire Currie" as a second goal.

Then the goal shifted again, so that "fire Currie" took first place in the list of goals. Finding a great coach dropped into the secondary position. And that was okay, sort of, since it didn't look like Currie would find any coach worth a damn anyway.

But quietly in there, growing slowly in volume as the days went along, the goal was morphing again. Firing Currie wasn't enough, we needed to somehow separate Jimmy Haslam from the program, remove his influence. This was introduced as the Game Behind the Game, the Big Win.

And a lot of us, me included, saw what we thought were Actors with Purpose leading that charge. The enigmatic Beav and Bubba, of course, but most of all, Atlanta_Vol. AV being kind and generous to the kinds of people we like to care about, parents with children and vets, and that gave him huge instant credibility, and he said this is what it's all about, it is a Booster War, one that will turn out great for Tennessee if we can only win it. And our part, as fans, was to make things uncomfortable for the Haslam-Currie duo, to give the Booster Cabal time, energy and support to do...well, whatever it is they expected to do.

Errm...what was that, exactly? None of this Booster Cabal have ever explained what they're trying to do. Or how they mean to accomplish it. Is the goal to vote Bill Haslam out of the Board of Trustees Chairmanship? Or is it to in some other way force Bill to tell Jimmy to back off, leave the program alone? How exactly, I mean precisely, do they expect to accomplish that? And exactly how long do they expect that to last? And how do they expect to enforce it, say, six months from now? Or two years from now? Ten?

And if it's not about a long-term solution, if it's only about getting Haslam and Currie out of the way so we can get the best possible coach for the program now, if that's all it's about, then why are we supposed to rail against even decent coaching options that Currie comes up with?

I've read not one or two, but several people here, who have written that we need to fight to prevent any coach from being hired as long as Currie still has his job and Haslam is in the background pulling strings.

What if Currie gets Gruden? We fight that?

What if he gets Patterson? Or Peterson?

I'm not saying Currie could land any of them, or any great option at this point, only pointing out that our priorities have become all jumbled.

What the heck are we doing here?

For me, this is about getting a great coach. I am amenable to it being about more, about removing the Haslam influence from our program, but only if someone who actually knows what the Boosters are doing (not guesses, or thinks they know, but literally and truly knows ) can explain in great detail what the plan is, what result we're shooting for and how we expect to get there, and how it will give this program long-term benefits.

Short of that, I'm dropping back to our foundations: about us getting the best coach we can.

Right now, that might be Mike Leach. I'm not hugely in love with him as an option, but he may be our best choice.

That's where I see us being, today.




tl;dr: the mysterious and largely hidden Movement Leaders have lost my support. They can get it back by explaining, with great clarity, in detail, the goal and a plan to achieve it. Short of that, I'm backing Leach and any follow-on coaching candidates who make sense given where we are at the time.

100% especially the very last part