Official Jon Gruden Thread XLV

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If Currie was going to be fired, why hasn’t he already? Why would you ever let him make an offer to DD? Doesn’t make sense. We got lucky that DD turned us down or we would have a lame AD and a lame Head Coach.
 
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What happened at Tennessee in 2017 isn’t new, it just all happened quicker. Tennessee fans could tell Schiano would be fired in three or four years after being mediocre and they didn’t want to wait for that. They wanted a hire who offered something more than mediocrity, they wanted a winner. And they wanted him now.

That’s what Jon Gruden really represents — an opportunity for excellence, for Tennessee to ascend back to the heights of college football where, historically, the Vols have found themselves. Gruden is a convenient vessel upon which to project a return to past glory. He immediately makes Tennessee matter on the national scene like Tennessee should matter on the national scene.

From Clay Travis article
 
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Squints said:
Agree. Currie has to be first, but a contemporaneous removal of Haslam and his influence would be all the sweeter.
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Haslam doesn't occupy any position that you could remove him from. He wields influence through his control of individuals, in this instance John Currie.
 
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jctenn1 said:
we have officially entered into the TWILIGHT ZONE!!!!!!!!!!!
I am convinced no one in the AD has the intelligence of a sloth...(may be giving them to much credit there )
how can a University with the tradition that the VOLS have parade around such 3rd rate coaches while offering them that kind of money....
makes me sick to see this shatshow....
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I think we should tell ‘em all to meet us in the Waffle House parking lot!

J/K....it’s frustrating as he//.
 
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1allvol said:
If Currie was going to be fired, why hasn’t he already? Why would you ever let him make an offer to DD? Doesn’t make sense. We got lucky that DD turned us down or we would have a lame AD and a lame Head Coach.
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I am holding onto that tiny sliver of hope that there is a plan in the works to bring big change to Tennessee. And that it will succeed. I also know that there will be pain involved, and collateral damage. We may have to suffer through some very lean years to get back. But, resurrection is the best. Returning from ashes to prominence would be the ultimate victory.
 
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Something is fishy to me. I had given up on the Gruden, or big name hire. This madness about UT offering Brohm, then Davenport refusing to sign off on it, and now an article stating UT never offered Brohm has me scratching my chin. Logically it can not be one if it is the other. It almost sounds like a way to increase Davenport's support. Like someone was hoping she would look like a hero by turning down a Currie hire and thus distancing herself from him. Now, a conspiracy theorist would say if one of these people are going to be gone, the one staying needs to look like they opposed the one leaving.

Is there any connection between Gruden and Gundy/Brohm/Doeren, or any other type of connections?
 
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superdave1984 said:
I am holding onto that tiny sliver of hope that there is a plan in the works to bring big change to Tennessee. And that it will succeed. I also know that there will be pain involved, and collateral damage. We may have to suffer through some very lean years to get back. But, resurrection is the best. Returning from ashes to prominence would be the ultimate victory.
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I wish there was a plan. It is like dogs chasing cars at this point.
 
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preacherwebb said:
to get a gauge on how sumlin may do at UT, look at his record vs the east and bama.

overall, while at a&m, he was 9-3 against the east (played uf, ut, mz, sc, vandy) and 1-5 vs bama.

that's 10-8 and 56%.

bout the same as mullin was vs the east and bama.

not sure he'd be worth what we'd have to pay him.
not sure how i feel about this truthfully.

EDIT: 3-3 vs Mullen
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So that's an interesting tack you take, Preacher, and a useful approach.

But to get the math right, you have to either shrink the Bama contests to fit the SEC-East record, or expand the East record to fit the number of Bama games. You have six years' worth of Bama results (from a Vols perspective), but only two years' worth of East games (at 6 games/year).

So let's extrapolate from his actual East game results to equal the 6 seasons' worth of playing Bama (1-5).

6 seasons of the East = 36 games. Sumlin's 9-3 actual record against the East therefore expands to 27-9 over six seasons.

Add 27-9 (vs East) to 1-5 (vs Bama) and you get a six-season record of 28-14.

But we're still missing some games--remember, that 8th SEC game each year, against a rotating West team. Well, let's just average out Sumlin's W-L record vs everyone else in the West, and reduce it to fit 6 games.

Turns out Kevin went 15-15 against all teams in the West not named Bama in those six years. So we'll reduce that to 3-3 to fit our model.

And so the prediction of how Sumlin would do commanding a team in the SEC East comes down to 31-17 (64.6% win rate).

In other words, we could expect him to go roughly 5-3 each year in SEC play. 9-3 overall, unless we lose to our ooc P5 opponent, then 8-4.
 
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Could it be that Beav be saying if we shed our program of JC and Bev, we would have a BIG hire in 48 hours...just trying to level set expectations (as much as possible).
 
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robbymoore94 said:
Something is fishy to me. I had given up on the Gruden, or big name hire. This madness about UT offering Brohm, then Davenport refusing to sign off on it, and now an article stating UT never offered Brohm has me scratching my chin. Logically it can not be one if it is the other. It almost sounds like a way to increase Davenport's support. Like someone was hoping she would look like a hero by turning down a Currie hire and thus distancing herself from him. Now, a conspiracy theorist would say if one of these people are going to be gone, the one staying needs to look like they opposed the one leaving.

Is there any connection between Gruden and Gundy/Brohm/Doeren, or any other type of connections?
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The article said we did not offer a CONTRACT. Words matter.
 
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