Official Jon Gruden Thread XI

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Brave Volunteer said:
Other than the "how cool would it be to have him in Knoxville" factor, why is Gruden your number 1 guy? Have you stopped to consider that there ARE risks involved in hiring him that may not be there with other current successful college coaches?

1.) He's been out of coaching if any kind for 4 years. Who's to say that he would be able to hit the ground running and immediately pick up where he left off?

2.) He's never been a college head coach. He's never had to deal with 18 year old kids. He's never had to deal with being responsible for player's personal behavior. He's only coached professionals. How would he deal with being able to relate to 18-20 year olds?

3.) He's never had to deal with NCAA regulations like the 20 hour rule, recruiting rules, etc. He's never had to deal with all the promotional and public appearance obligations that come with being a college head coach. We say that Tennessee is not a "learn on the job" program but in a way, that's exactly what Gruden would be doing.

4.) If what has been said about Gruden is true...that his dream is to get back to the Superbowl...then wouldn't only be a matter of time before he bolts for the NFL again?

5.) We're going to have to pay a king's ransom to get Gruden. Just how much money would be available for a quality staff?


Having Gruden in Knoxville would certainly create excitement. It would put butts in the seats and probably help move a lot of merchandise. However I don't see why so many people think that Gruden is THE answer to getting us back on the winning path. As if it's a sure thing.
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Let me take a stab at this.

In answer to 1-5.....RECRUITING!

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I_Bleed_Orange77 said:
I'm not blasting him. But don't say you're 100% sure if you're not. Take the OCI "3 amigos" debacle as an example. It just annoys me when people say something is 100%. Absolutely nothing in life is 100%.
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You just said that 'absolutely nothing' (100%) in life is 100%. Did you just annoy yourself?

Is the statement that "nothing in life is 100%", 100%? Or is it 60%? I always love self-defeating logic, stated as fact, for convenience of a debate point.

That is a ridiculous statement, btw. Gruden would be 100% if a deal was signed, and he was only awaiting the correct time to announce. Golden would be 100% if he had signed a deal. Heck, Nick Saban was 100% to UA as soon as he agreed and signed his deal.

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sterlingpearling said:
I was pummeled last week for pasting in a section of an email sent to me by a friend who formerly worked for Bob Lamonte. The gist of the message was this: Bob's rough on everyone, Bob makes everyone cross a hurdle of a Minimum Requirements Doc before a deal coming to Gruden.Finally my friend made the observation that Bob has elevated Gruden to the point that it may be bad for Gruden.

Then my friend said that as of the end Wednesday, no one had gone beyond the Minimum Requirements doc. (including UT). That pissed everyone off, and I was called a troll. So be it.

This morning I talked to my friend again. He is an Michigan alum and flew back from the OSU game through Memphis with a friend (who works at a sports agency as well) before returning to Dallas. They talked UT and the coaching search on the flight. Then this morning he also tried to talk to friends in his old office (LaMonte's) to cover things brought up in the conversation. Here is his take (I crossed out a specific name as I don't know if it would be ok to use it here):

"Conversation to Doc flow goes like this: AD or proxy gauges interest from candidates through surrogates or agents. If interest is established, a date is given by AD for potential offer letter. Coaches either use offer letter as a chit to get more from their current job, or move to negotiation. If negotiation is successful an MOU is signed. Contracts come much later. After a hire.

The key point is gauging interest can involve as many candidates as the AD wants, but only one offer can be sent at a time. That is sacred. There are never two offers out at a time.

That said, here's what I got out of the flight, and talking to Coatcheck this A.M.- There is no action on Sexton clients (Fisher) as he has an ACC championship. Hart would not call Fisher without permission from the FSU AD, and that would go on after the ACC game. Similarly with Cornrich. No action there according to *****, and Stoops has another game too. My buddy thinks there is an announcement this week. That leaves Golden and Gruden unless Hart is going to pick a dog, or call in Smart. So- here is the best part if you are a UT fan- Lamonte is in at 5am today, and no one is taking my call. I can't say that means a deal is happening with Jon, but I can say Bob only comes in this early for action, and Bob locks down any talky on deal days. I couldn't even get **** on IM or cell. I would still call it highly unlikely, but interesting. Here is the contradicting info: My buddy and ***** think Senior presented a breach of terms letter to UM to free Golden from the buyout. UM screwed Golden by not telling him any of the NCAA stuff, and that may free Golden in his escape clause which includes an unethical behavior clause. I've been hearing this for two weeks, but it sounded very real from what I heard on the flight. If they are active, they must have a job for Al. ***** says UT announcement by Wed of this week. That would tell me Jon is the long odds horse, and Golden is the likely candidate. While some of your fans may piss and moan about Golden, he is seen among coaches as one of the best recruiters and developers of talent in the business. You cannot judge him from UM. It is a **** show down there right now. The only curveball I have is, that Strong and Butch Jones have been trying to get any upgrade they can. BJ looks like he'll walk into Hell at KY. So where does Strong go? I would hope not UT. He is overrated. Thats all I've got. I'll let you know if I get a call back. I think you guys look good on this as long as it isn't Strong."
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Thanks for bringing the info to the board for discussion!
 
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Wilson27 said:
Regarding the OG's. These guys have tried to share info with us and have received a lot of hate in return by trolls and just negative people in general. I will say again I don't know who they know but I believe that they believe what they are being told as fact. They have been right several times during this process which leads me to believe they have good info. If you disagree with them fine but if you are here just to rag on them get the hell out.
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This !!!!!!!!
 
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Ainge now saying he is full Gruden, but trying to be realistic. Leaving a door open no matter what happens. These journalist are weak. They are message board warriors with a mic.
 
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VOLout8 said:
Contradictions in the media:

Since everyone is going crazy about Ainge this am, and wants to take a part the OG's info then let's look at the media's contradictions:

Ainge:
- Full Gruden, killing guys on the radio for saying he isn't a possibility.
- No chance, get over it. Gruden isn't an option. Hire Cutcliff.
- 3-4 days later he is full Gruden again claiming he just had to give his buddy support.
- He heard no Gruden, and a short list with Golden, Davis, Gundy, and Fisher.
- Spends 5-10 min explaining Gundy wouldn't leave.

Hyams (He is terrible but we will list)
- No chance at Gruden.
- I hear people tell me it is done, and others say it isn't.
- Well not no chance but 5%.

Hubbs (I haven't followed him much)
- Peyton has talked to Gruden about more than Spider... Tee has been contacted. Biasacca has been contacted.
- He claimed he didn't say that about Peyton.

LWS
- Not happening. 5% chance at most.
- Negotiations have taken place, and there are some things that have to happen for him to come. He doesn't believe they are done.

Basilio (Where to begin)
- Full Gruden
- No Gruden, got to get Mora Jr.
- Jim, James, or something like that calls in. He is back on the Gruden train.
- University is backing off Gruden now. This is what he maintains now.

Wes (I think he is a dbag)
- Has consistently said there is interest. IMO he has yet to contradict what he has said. But to be fair he has said nothing in essence.
- 247 did list Butch Jones on their list for us, and he is heading to KY. No way he was on our list, and went to KY this quick.

Not knocking any of these guys. Just pointing out that no one knows what is going on.
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I just want to include Dr. B (Gary Askew) in this list.

He is a radio personality, not a journalist, and while he is a little crazy, he and the guys on his show actually do have very solid connections.

Dr. B's info is from inside Governor Haslam's office.

He has been saying Gruden for weeks. He slowed down a little bit, but said he got confirmation and he has "NO DOUBT" that it is a done deal with the next coach. He didn't say who, but he has been on Gruden for awhile now.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
I'm in Murfreeboro this morning for a family issue. That's the only reason I haven't been here.

My information is the same as it has been. There is nothing else to tell. I am 100%.
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Family first bro. Boro we got your back and hope all is well with your family.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Other than the "how cool would it be to have him in Knoxville" factor, why is Gruden your number 1 guy? Have you stopped to consider that there ARE risks involved in hiring him that may not be there with other current successful college coaches?

1.) He's been out of coaching if any kind for 4 years. Who's to say that he would be able to hit the ground running and immediately pick up where he left off?

2.) He's never been a college head coach. He's never had to deal with 18 year old kids. He's never had to deal with being responsible for player's personal behavior. He's only coached professionals. How would he deal with being able to relate to 18-20 year olds?

3.) He's never had to deal with NCAA regulations like the 20 hour rule, recruiting rules, etc. He's never had to deal with all the promotional and public appearance obligations that come with being a college head coach. We say that Tennessee is not a "learn on the job" program but in a way, that's exactly what Gruden would be doing.

4.) If what has been said about Gruden is true...that his dream is to get back to the Superbowl...then wouldn't only be a matter of time before he bolts for the NFL again?

5.) We're going to have to pay a king's ransom to get Gruden. Just how much money would be available for a quality staff?


Having Gruden in Knoxville would certainly create excitement. It would put butts in the seats and probably help move a lot of merchandise. However I don't see why so many people think that Gruden is THE answer to getting us back on the winning path. As if it's a sure thing.
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1-2) He's been coaching his son's high school team.

3) After dealing with crazy Al and the Glazers everything else is cake for a media savy guy.

4) Expect to see a long term contract, at Gruden's request.

5) As much as it takes.
 
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VOLout8 said:
Wes (I think he is a dbag)
- Has consistently said there is interest. IMO he has yet to contradict what he has said. But to be fair he has said nothing in essence.
- 247 did list Butch Jones on their list for us, and he is heading to KY. No way he was on our list, and went to KY this quick.

Not knocking any of these guys. Just pointing out that no one knows what is going on.
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#2,919
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Ainge just said, "I'm full Gruden". He also indicated that it was Monday and he had to have something to talk about for the rest of the week.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Other than the "how cool would it be to have him in Knoxville" factor, why is Gruden your number 1 guy? Have you stopped to consider that there ARE risks involved in hiring him that may not be there with other current successful college coaches?

1.) He's been out of coaching if any kind for 4 years. Who's to say that he would be able to hit the ground running and immediately pick up where he left off?

2.) He's never been a college head coach. He's never had to deal with 18 year old kids. He's never had to deal with being responsible for player's personal behavior. He's only coached professionals. How would he deal with being able to relate to 18-20 year olds?

3.) He's never had to deal with NCAA regulations like the 20 hour rule, recruiting rules, etc. He's never had to deal with all the promotional and public appearance obligations that come with being a college head coach. We say that Tennessee is not a "learn on the job" program but in a way, that's exactly what Gruden would be doing.

4.) If what has been said about Gruden is true...that his dream is to get back to the Superbowl...then wouldn't only be a matter of time before he bolts for the NFL again?

5.) We're going to have to pay a king's ransom to get Gruden. Just how much money would be available for a quality staff?


Having Gruden in Knoxville would certainly create excitement. It would put butts in the seats and probably help move a lot of merchandise. However I don't see why so many people think that Gruden is THE answer to getting us back on the winning path. As if it's a sure thing.
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As The King said, "The only two certainties in life are Cadillacs and prostitutes." But I will take my chances with Gruden.
 
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99bubble said:
Let me take a stab at this.

In answer to 1-5.....RECRUITING!

There you go.
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That's an EXTREMELY short-sighted answer. It takes more than a fancy head coach's name to have great recruiting. It takes a great staff of recruiters. It takes time to build relationships with these kids to earn their trust. Having Gruden as our coach will of course make more kids sit up and take notice but that doesn't guarantee commitments or signed letters of intent.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Not at all off the bandwagon just lowering my confidence a bit. I am all in that ther are tirelessly trying to work out a few things, I am only about 70% confident they will work then out.

Watch, in the next three pages someone will say I posted he is not coming. Not saying that at all. Just a little less confident and not confident at all it is "done" but rather an outline agreed to and specifics presenting some problems. Again jmo, not based on info just my opinion looking at ALL the evidence not just that which supports my position.
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For example:

destair said:
Thanks man. bcarter jumping off the train had me concerned. Still does.
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And then others can actually read.

patrick said:
Um carter has not "jumped off the train"..
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'Boro-vol said:
Ainge knows, Andrews knows, and you're an idiot with a raging H.O. for me for some reason.
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What else could Boro do? Wise move, taking care of family issues. Football is just a game. If you don't believe me, just ask with revjayp. :)

revjayp said:
Dear lord. I feel like an "it's just football" comment is in order. IGBOK. Pray all is well Boro.
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Prayers for you and your family, Boro.
 
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