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ArmyVol697 said:
I like Jon Gruden, but I don't think of him as a great coach. His winning percentage is barely over 50 perfect as a coach. I'm sure he'll recruit great, but we saw what a mediocre coach who is a great recruiter can do.

Yes, I'm aware he won a Superbowl. I also know of an national championship ex-coach that we don't want either from the SEC!

Bottom line, I like Gruden to much to want to see him fail here. We need a proven college coach, and he's not that.

Let's move on.
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Oh, we weren’t aware of all that. Shut it down boys!

My first......GTFO!!
 
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ArmyVol697 said:
I like Jon Gruden, but I don't think of him as a great coach. His winning percentage is barely over 50 perfect as a coach. I'm sure he'll recruit great, but we saw what a mediocre coach who is a great recruiter can do.

Yes, I'm aware he won a Superbowl. I also know of an national championship ex-coach that we don't want either from the SEC!

Bottom line, I like Gruden to much to want to see him fail here. We need a proven college coach, and he's not that.

Let's move on.
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lol, next.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I like that angle, but it has a flaw: the anonymous third party has to have interest in the waters being tested.

In this case, the waters are VolNation.com, which is a microcosm of the wider Volunteer nation.

Can't come up with a reason why Ergen (or any of the Big Boosters) would have much of an interest at all in testing the waters of this community. As a big-$$ guy, he knows what he wants, and is only looking for allies to put pressure on the university's leadership.

VN.com isn't a potent threat to put pressure on the university leadership.

For the life of me, can't come up with a scenario that links the waters of VN.com, the stalking horse of Beav, and any hidden actor. We're simply not an important piece in any equation concerning the coaching search.

Which means we have to be reading it wrong. Beav's not the stalking horse...we're applying the concept wrong, somehow....
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There is also a strategy called the stalking horse bid that is used to prevent low value bids on assets that belong to distressed companies, typically companies in bankruptcy. The stalking horse bidder will usually be given some incentives to take the risk of putting a fair market bid on the assets, regardless of if they end up being the high bid or not.

Imagine if Disney was considering putting a poor performing division out on the market for sale. Now imagine that the Ergens have agreed to put the initial bid for ESPN at a fair market value as long as Disney agrees to shed some of ESPNs expenses in the form of expensive headcount.

Of course this is all imagination land ish, but now Gruden is finding himself needing a new gig. The Ergens, through a VC, make a deal with the Grude that says that if UT HC position comes available and offered to him then he will sign.
 
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ArmyVol697 said:
I like Jon Gruden, but I don't think of him as a great coach. His winning percentage is barely over 50 perfect as a coach. I'm sure he'll recruit great, but we saw what a mediocre coach who is a great recruiter can do.

Yes, I'm aware he won a Superbowl. I also know of an national championship ex-coach that we don't want either from the SEC!

Bottom line, I like Gruden to much to want to see him fail here. We need a proven college coach, and he's not that.

Let's move on.
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It would do you good to do a little research before posting something like this. In case you're not aware NFL records are a tad different than college records. His record is pretty good compared to others. I/E Saban. Here, let me help you out:

NFL win–loss records - Wikipedia
 
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djohnnyg said:
The general public and media has made thinking Gruden is coming as being foolish. How many different programs and/or nfl teams has he been rumored to be going to?

-Dallas
-Raiders. It was actually reported by the editor of Pro Football Weekly he had already signed and was on his way there a couple years ago.
-Bears
-Arkansas. That was a pretty hot rumor there for awhile. U guys remember. Then he wore an Arkansas red tie on MNF and speculation went through the roof. Their message boards were all over it.

....and his name gets brought up with ANY and all high profile openings in college and pro. Mostly pro. Now Tampa rumor is gaining steam with the speculators.

As noted by other posters...some are almost made to feel embarrassed by believing Gruden will come to UT. There are many real legit reasons he would come to UT. More money..his competitive drive..his family ties to East Tn AND the university.

Let's see what happens.
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The difference is Gruden is a vol brother.
 
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smoke_em06 said:
Is there anyone here that can detail what went down to bring Majors back to UT as coach? I see a parallel with Gruden because I think it is critical that we hire someone with some true orange blooded ties.
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Be glad to! If I’m wrong on any of the facts, someone from that era please correct me - I was just learning to walk then. Majors’ homecoming was precipitated by declining performance in Coach Bill Battle’s UT football teams. Coach Doug Dickey defected from UT to Florida and Bill Battle took over as UT HC in 1970. Battle’s 1970 team went 11-1 and by 1976 he was 7-5. Coach Majors had just won a national championship at Pittsburgh and he was one of Tennessee’s favorite sons, so he was a natural choice to bring the Vols back to prominence.

The rest of this is purely my opinion mixed with fact, so kindly don’t roast me on it. I remember this clearly because I was there. It took Coach Majors many years, but he succeeded in returning UT to the national spotlight. We won the SEC three times in a span of six years (1985, 89 and 90). Though I think Coach Majors was a brilliant tactician (he could usually be counted on to win games in which we were grossly overmatched), he was fired in 1992 during a relatively lackluster year after undergoing heart surgery and Fulmer took his place. It was my feeling that Fulmer stabbed Coach Majors in the back in 1992. UT eventually won a national title in 1998 with old Phil, and the slow decline began immediately after that. I call it the “curse of Johnny Majors.” This is where Gruden comes in - he was a graduate assistant under Coach Majors during those golden years in the 1980’s. If there is anyone who can end this curse, it’s him. He’s a tactician like Majors. He’ll recruit at least as well as Fulmer. And, he’s vicious (in a good way).

Gruden to the Hill!
 
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volfan1631 said:
Someone on twitter (don't remember where i saw it) said Juan Jennings posted something on instagram about better to have no coach than a fake coach. Anyone have instagram that can check.
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He posted a photo of him and Butch and captioned it "No love better than fake love."
 
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Something about Beav's teeet doesn't add up.... why tag Verizon at the end? Doesn't Dish and Verizon have a connection???

🤔

Soon!!
 
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I Love Lamp said:
Can one of you younger folks tell me what this means?
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I think he's saying Vol fans are "fake" for supporting him when the times were good, but turned on him. Then says Butch should just sit back and relax and collect the $8M.

It could be a shot at Butch for being fake, but I don't think it is.
 
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ArmyVol697 said:
I like Jon Gruden, but I don't think of him as a great coach. His winning percentage is barely over 50 perfect as a coach. I'm sure he'll recruit great, but we saw what a mediocre coach who is a great recruiter can do.

Yes, I'm aware he won a Superbowl. I also know of an national championship ex-coach that we don't want either from the SEC!

Bottom line, I like Gruden to much to want to see him fail here. We need a proven college coach, and he's not that.

Let's move on.
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I could name lots of reasons why this logic is flawed, including the street cred he carries with recruits and parents or the A-level assistants who would drop anything to coach under him or that college head coaching experience is an irrelevant argument (proven several times).

Instead, let's just say you're wrong.
 
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