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[MG1968]

Earth may be headed into a mini Ice Age within a decade ? The Register

 

[SWIL]

One should not question the man who invented the Internet.

 

[IPorange]

Earth may be headed into a mini Ice Age within a decade ? The Register

If this ends up coming to pass, it would in no way disprove global climate change theory, as this would be caused by a change in solar output. The increased greenhouse gases in the atmosphere still remain, and in fact would act to mitigate the cooling from such a solar event.

 

[gsvol]

I think I will go with the guy who does this every day (you) on this one.
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An amateur by his own admission.

What does he really know other than that in which
he (like yourself) been indoctrinated?

No such thing as greenhouse gases, gsvol has sources. Someone made them up as part of an elaborate communist conspiracy masterminded by Al Gore.

You seem to forget that h2o is 95% of the
greenhouse gas in Earth's atmosphere and
that the natural environment is far more
important than the politicos in Washington
when it comes down to the scientific nitty
gritty.

speaking of Gore, I wish that more scientists like yourself would have the courage to publicly repudiate Gore. He is nothing but a charlatan and a hypocrite and is the wrong person to be the face of the climate change movement.

So who should be the face of the climate change
movement??

BTW, how is it you claim IP to be a scientist??

I have seen no such credentials.

Just like you saying that Cal jerk is some sort of
financial guru!!

I'm curious what you think about Hansen's "99 percent certain" testimony in 1988, IP.

He was 100% WRONG!

If this ends up coming to pass, it would in no way disprove global climate change theory, as this would be caused by a change in solar output. The increased greenhouse gases in the atmosphere still remain, and in fact would act to mitigate the cooling from such a solar event.

So then it would be a mistake to try to eliminate
co2 emissions??

 

[MG1968]

So who should be the face of the climate change
movement??

BTW, how is it you claim IP to be a scientist??

I have seen no such credentials.

Just like you saying that Cal jerk is some sort of
financial guru!!

1. Don't know, don't care. I'm just glad to know that IP views Al Gore with a jaundiced eye.

2. IP has some fairly substantial educational and work credentials. Who gives a damn if you haven't seen them.

3. droski also has educational and work credentials, I don't think I've ever called him a "financial guru", but I'll respect his opinion a helluva lot more than some random Glenn Beck sycophant extolling the virtues of gold and survival seeds.

 

[utgibbs]

I'm curious what you think about Hansen's "99 percent certain" testimony in 1988, IP.

Asking again in case it was missed as the last post on the page. :hi:

 

[KiffinKiller]

1. Don't know, don't care. I'm just glad to know that IP views Al Gore with a jaundiced eye.

2. IP has some fairly substantial educational and work credentials. Who gives a damn if you haven't seen them.

3. droski also has educational and work credentials, I don't think I've ever called him a "financial guru", but I'll respect his opinion a helluva lot more than some random Glenn Beck sycophant extolling the virtues of gold and survival seeds.

Exactly...gs continually tries to discredit IP while simultaneously throwing around the dissenting opinion with no credentials of his own. Makes sense to me.

 

[gsvol]

Asking again in case it was missed as the last post on the page. :hi:

Exactly...gs continually tries to discredit IP while simultaneously throwing around the dissenting opinion with no credentials of his own. Makes sense to me.

There is no evidence that CO2 has ever caused
significant warming on Earth when the concentrations
were within 10-15 times of what they are today.

Water vapor is, by far, the most important greenhouse
gas in the Earth system. Water vapor accounts for
about 95% of the greenhouse effect on Earth. Earth's
temperature variations are much better correlated
with the Sun's solar activity/sunspot cycle than with
CO2 changes.-

 

[KiffinKiller]

There is no evidence that CO2 has ever caused
significant warming on Earth when the concentrations
were within 10-15 times of what they are today.

Water vapor is, by far, the most important greenhouse
gas in the Earth system. Water vapor accounts for
about 95% of the greenhouse effect on Earth. Earth's
temperature variations are much better correlated
with the Sun's solar activity/sunspot cycle than with
CO2 changes.-

Your convincing argument is being undermined by your history of insanity.

 

[n_huffhines]

Best commentary I've heard on global warming.

YouTube - ‪SA@TAC - Weather of Mass Destruction‬‏

 

[gsvol]

Your convincing argument is being undermined by your history of insanity.

1934 has long been considered the warmest year
of the past century. A decade ago, the closest
challenger appeared to be 1998, a super-el nino
year, but it trailed 1934 by 0.54°C (0.97°F).

Since then, NASA GISS has “adjusted” the U.S.
data for 1934 downward and 1998 upward (see
December 25, 2010 post by Ira Glickstein) in an
attempt to make 1998 warmer than 1934 and
seemingly erased the original rather large lead of
1934 over 1998. The last phases of the strong
2009-2010 el nino in early 2010 made this year
another possible contender for the warmest year
of the century. However, December 2010 has
been one of the coldest Decembers in a century
in many parts of the world, so 2010 probably
won’t be warmer than 1998.

But does it really matter? Regardless of which
year wins the temperature adjustment battle,
how significant will that be? To answer that
question, we need to look at a much longer time
frame; centuries and millennia.

Have your ever heard of the Roman warm period,
the dark age cool period, the medieval warm period
and the little ice age???

So where do the 1934/1998/2010 warm years rank
in the long-term list of warm years? Of the past
10,500 years, 9,100 were warmer than 1934/1998/2010.

Thus, regardless of which year ( 1934, 1998,
or 2010) turns out to be the warmest of the
past century, that year will rank number 9,099
in the long-term list.

The climate has been warming slowly since the Little
Ice Age, but it has quite a ways to go yet before
reaching the temperature levels that persisted for
nearly all of the past 10,500 years.

The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on
anthropogenic causes and on projections of
climatic change is the assumption of low level
of CO2 in the pre-industrial atmosphere. This
assumption, based on glaciological studies,
is false.

Therefore IPCC projections should not be used
for national and global economic planning. The
climatically inefficient and economically disastrous
Kyoto Protocol, based on IPCC projections, was
correctly defined by President George W. Bush
as “fatally flawed”. This criticism was followed
by the President of Russia Vladimir V. Putin.

When people are confronted with real facts,
it transforms opinions and opens beliefs
that were once marketed and manufactured
by un-relative brainwashing!

 

[utgibbs]

I know, I know gsvol.

GISS has been manipulating all the records to reflect what anyone over the age of thirty has been full witness of with their own eyes, senses, and memories in our historic time.

The volcanoes! It's the damn volcanoes! :crazy:

 

[MG1968]

I've noticed that gsvol and utgibbs both seem to take breaks from posting at the same time. We had a week or so of relative peace when neither was to be seen, then without warning, gsvol is once again posting inane images and gibbs is once again spouting propaganda that would make the editors of Granma green with envy.

 

[utgibbs]

I've noticed that gsvol and utgibbs both seem to take breaks from posting at the same time. We had a week or so of relative peace when neither was to be seen, then without warning, gsvol is once again posting inane images and gibbs is once again spouting propaganda that would make the editors of Granma green with envy.

Conspiracy theorist.

 

[gsvol]

issue180cul1 | The American Conservative Union

In a recent issue of the far-left New Republic,
associate editor Bradford Plumer asked his readers
whether the Greens’ climate strategy had been a
“total flop.” He said the Greens had helped elect
Barack Obama and a filibuster-proof majority in
both Houses of Congress, and approved Obama’s
Cabinet and “czars.” The President was expected
to roll over the climate deniers.

“Instead,” says Plumer, “the climate push was .
. . a total flop.

By late 2010, the main cap-and-trade bill had
fizzled out in the Senate; not a single Republican
would agree to vote for it. Greens ended up
winning zilch from Congress, not even minor
legislation to boost renewable electricity or
energy efficiency. Worse, after the 2010 midterms,
the House GOP became overrun with climate deniers,
while voters turned apathetic about global warming.”
----------------------------------------------

James Hansen told the Senate in 1988 that the
earth would thenceforth do nothing but get rapidly
warmer, dictated by rising concentrations of CO2 in
the atmosphere. For a time, Hansen’s predictions
seemed to be accurate—but then after 1998 the
warming trend stopped. CO2 concentrations
continued to rise, but the temperatures didn’t.
The public began to wonder if the previous
warming-with-CO2 had been a coincidence.

Then came 2007, and a sharp drop in global
temperatures! The computer models’ predictions
had failed. The mainstream media kept mostly
silent about this unnerving development, but
the blogs and talk radio didn’t. This was itself
a key change in the public persuasion machinery,
which had previously been unanimous in its
promotion of man-made warming.

The lack of public panic on temperatures has
been supported by the satellites, arguably the
best source of global temperature information
ever devised. The alarmists kept shouting “record
high averages” but the satellites have revealed
only a modest increase since 1979, and no
recent upward temperature trend.

The skeptics also note that the thermometer
record has recently trended both upward and
downward—in 30-year spurts. Those spurts now
appear linked to a 60-year cycle in the Pacific.
In 2008, NASA said its satellites confirmed the
Pacific moving into a cool phase, which is likely
to last 25 years. The sunspot index has just been
through an ultra-long minimum, which also suggests
colder temperatures. Is this another climate step-
change?
-----------------------------------

Several of the IPCC scare stories have been proven
wrong. The fear of man-made warming has dropped
below critical levels.

Prediction: Global warming is a dead issue unless
the planet can be persuaded to start warming
again, quickly. Don’t blame the President or the
eco-ad campaign. Blame the thermometers.

 

[myrobbins7]

Nice..Gore: Obama Has Failed on Global Warming
Gore: Obama Has Failed on Global Warming

 

[gsvol]

Former Vice President and enviro-nut Al Gore discussed
climate and pollution control on Monday at the Games
for Change convention in New York. He has a new
solution to the "problem" - and that is, population
control.

Because genocide isn't too popular among the American
public, Gore is using a more tactful approach to "curb
pollution," as he said couples need to learn to "feel
comfortable having small families."

 

[gsvol]

If this ends up coming to pass, it would in no way disprove global climate change theory, as this would be caused by a change in solar output. The increased greenhouse gases in the atmosphere still remain, and in fact would act to mitigate the cooling from such a solar event.

Have you ever noticed that marxist theory and global
climate change theory have a lot in common??

1. Theory must always be in a state of flux.
2. Industrialization is the cause of our problems.

There are many other similarities but those two
stand out.

Media has been publishing these scary scenarios all the
way back at least to the 1920s.

In the late fifties, since the Earth was in a cooling phase,
they started the 'next ice age' bullcrap and it was easy
enough for me to believe because in the early fifties we
had some notably rough winters and I was young and
impressionable.

The thing was I looked into it and it didn't take long
to find out that the alarmists took some facts and
then made up the rest to suit their theories.

That's why when the fairly recent global warming
scare first started to get off the ground, I was already
skeptical.

All one has to do is to examine the real facts to find
that the gcct nuts are just that, they are off their
rocker.

BTW, since you like to study Mikialovic, I ask; Did you
know he was a Serbian astronomer??

Tesla was also a Serbian.

Too bad the Serbians have taken such a beating during
the last twenty years especially and really during the last
seventy years if not the last several hundred years, all
for the sake of politics and having to deal with some
of the worst lowlifes the world has ever known.

You buy into global climate change theory whole hog
but how do you explain that all their predictions end
up to be wrong?

By 2010 we were supposed to have millions of climate
change refugees, more even than political refugees.

Didn't happen, can you name any current climate change
refugees.

That doesn't stop the constant stream of more
propaganda though, just yesterday the local paper
had an article about sea level rising 2mm per year.

I've contacted a house moving company to come
each fall and move my house 2mm uphill every year
just to be safe.

Oh, and BTW, greenhouse gasses will have little if any
affect if the Earth does actually enter another ice age,
ESPECIALLY CO2!

Nice..Gore: Obama Has Failed on Global Warming
Gore: Obama Has Failed on Global Warming

Al Gore Obama Climate | Chris Matthews Evil Media | Video | Mediaite

Chris Matthews was somewhat surprised with Al Gore’s harsh critique of President Obama in Rolling Stone regarding his inaction on climate policy.

Instead Matthews argued that even if Obama has not been perfect, Gore should really be angry at the “corrupt media on the right” who refuse to believe in climate change, not because they are stupid, but because in Matthews’ opinion they are “evil.”

NO, what is evil is letting the fruitcake Chris Mathews
even have a TV show not that it isn't also stupid.

 

[gsvol]

The Corruption of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change: A National Peril | Hawaii Reporter

This is an excellent article and should be read in full
by those who are interested in the truth about AGW
aka climate change.

As time passes the global warming fiasco becomes
more and more understandable, and more incredulous,
more unbelievable. Hard-nosed physical evidence of
man-made global warming has yet to be provided by
the promoters of warming, even after a nominal $80
billion dollars have been spent in the attempt to do
so.

Since some of the ideas for mitigating man-made
global warming (yet to be demonstrated) involve
trillion dollar measures, it is crucially important that
we get the science right. If we don’t get the science
right, we’ll never get the policy right.
------------------------------

We are also learning that international powers have
organized into the formation of the Intergovernmental
Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), is part of the United Nations for the purpose of limiting or abolishing the
production of CO2 from the combustion of fossil fuels.

While the US is clearly targeted for these
crippling measures other members of the UN
other developing nations simply will not be
implementing with these suicidal measures.

The IPCC is also the brainchild of Maurice Strong, a
billionaire socialist working closely with the UN. At
the Rio conference of the IPCC in 1992 Maurice
Strong made this statement to thousands of s
upporting fans and international leaders:

“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it
our responsibility to bring that about?” –
Maurice Strong, head of the 1992 Earth Summit in
Rio de Janeiro and Executive Officer for Reform in
the Office of the Secretary General of the United
Nations. (Maurice Strong).

This horrendous statement reminds one of the
recent statement by Barack Obama calling for the limiting fossil fuels and the resulting skyrocketing
costs of US energy costs. (Obama: Energy Prices Will Skyrocket Under My Cap and Trade Plan | NewsBusters.org).

Many nations have recognized the importance of
electrical energy is the development of their
economies and the advancement of prosperity in
their nations.

China builds a large new coal plant per week,
and now has some 20 nuclear power plants
under construction.

It has also recently completed the largest hydro facility
in the world at the 3 Gorges site. Other nations have
recognized the importance of large supplies of affordable
energy in that some 67 new nuclear plants are
currently under construction around the world
and that many more are in final design.
----------------------------

By the end of March 2010 evidence had shown that
at least 16 claims of impending climate doom in
the IPCC’s vaunted 2007 report had been based
on work done by environmental activists, most
of which had not received independent reviews
before being swallowed whole by the UN climate
body.
------------------------

These processes have nothing to do with
science; they have nothing to do with
honesty, nothing to do with sound defensible
science policy.

They have a lot to do with low-grade uninformed
environmental advocacy being involved with
international energy policy.
--------------------------

What only came to light when the full report was
published last week was the peculiar source of some
of the extraordinarily ambitious claims. It was based
solely on a paper co-authored last year by an
employee of Greenpeace International and something
called the European Renewable Energy Council. This
Brussels-based body, heavily funded by the EU,
lobbies the European Commission on behalf of all
the main renewable industries, such as wind and
solar.

The chief author of the Greenpeace paper, Sven
Teske, was also a lead author on Chapter 10 of the
IPCC report, which means that the report’s headline
message came from a full-time environmental activist,
supported by a lobby group representing those
industries that stand most to benefit financially from
its findings.
--------------------------

Ambler also provides some of the academic credentials
of many of the people involved. Many do not have
serious scientific credentials let alone in the highly
specialized science of the new discipline of climate.

This is not the place for looking for solid scientists
or science literature and expertise.

Who are these people?

David Lundgren has recently written (The Gold Standard | Blog Watch) that American
leaders such as NOAA administrator Jane
Lubchenco still regard the IPCC as the “gold
standard” for climate science. American leadership,
both state and federal, seems incapable of
separating sound science from political hearsay.

 

[IPorange]

I'm curious what you think about Hansen's "99 percent certain" testimony in 1988, IP.

I just saw this.

Well, I was 4 years old and living in England in 1988. My knowledge of the scientific literature in that snapshot of time and of the GCC landscape in general is pretty limited and likely deeply flawed due to hindsight and future knowledge.

Any kind of statement of "99 % certainty" is pretty ballsy and perhaps deliberately policy-influencing, but the projections he was presenting at that time have turned out pretty accurate, especially Scenario B. And that's even with the Mount Pinatubo eruption that cooled things off considerably in the early 90's.

This is what he was 99 % sure of being the possibilities, and as you can see it turns out he was pretty much right.


I'm sure gsvol will take exception with this, but it's right there for anyone to see.

 

[TennTradition]

I gotta admit, these folks out there campaigning for all industrial nations to die give me the skeevies. Can there really be that many of these folks?
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[IPorange]

I gotta admit, these folks out there campaigning for all industrial nations to die give me the skeevies. Can there really be that many of these folks?
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Obviously that isn't a practical solution. For one, if industrial nations flipped the switch off tomorrow, the environmental destruction by burning all the wood and scraping every edible thing one can find in those industrialized nations would be catastrophic. Obviously, the loss of human life would be massive once the regional ecologies were ransacked.

 

[gsvol]

I know, I know gsvol.

GISS has been manipulating all the records to reflect what anyone over the age of thirty has been full witness of with their own eyes, senses, and memories in our historic time.

The volcanoes! It's the damn volcanoes! :crazy:

And for anyone over sixty this isn't their first
rodeo, having lived through the global cooling
aka impending ice age faze face of this hidden
agenda.

Back then that scenario was a hell of a lot more
believeable and much more scary than the present
situation by far.

The main thing to keep in mind that since the
last ice age the Earth has been warmer than
it is today and for the most part that was a
very good thing, for both man and the rest
of the flauna and flora on this planet.

Hansen is a nutcase on the level of Al Gore
and has no problem at all misrepresenting the
facts to suit his fruitcake purposes.

Useful idiots both.

 

[gsvol]

I just saw this.

Well, I was 4 years old and living in England in 1988. My knowledge of the scientific literature in that snapshot of time and of the GCC landscape in general is pretty limited and likely deeply flawed due to hindsight and future knowledge.

Any kind of statement of "99 % certainty" is pretty ballsy and perhaps deliberately policy-influencing, but the projections he was presenting at that time have turned out pretty accurate, especially Scenario B. And that's even with the Mount Pinatubo eruption that cooled things off considerably in the early 90's.

This is what he was 99 % sure of being the possibilities, and as you can see it turns out he was pretty much right.


I'm sure gsvol will take exception with this, but it's right there for anyone to see.

Realclimate is an AGW promoter from the word go.

I gotta admit, these folks out there campaigning for all industrial nations to die give me the skeevies. Can there really be that many of these folks?
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You tell me. How many nazis were there?
They were a small minority but they gained complete
political control. The same is true of every
totalitarian regime in history.

I give the science czar of the United States of America:

John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet

Page 917: We will need to surrender national
sovereignty to an armed international police
force.

Enviromentalism has never been the goal, it is merely
a tool to gain mostly undisclosed ends.

 

[gsvol]

Theories such as this:

THE HOCKEY SCHTICK: "We must end our addiction to economic growth"

"We must end our addiction to economic growth."
James Hansen

Other quotes from Beijing Jim:
“CEOs are guilty of crimes against humanity ..."
(Essentially he says the same things as Maurice Strong.


(Hansen's previous boss said that Hansen is an
embarrassment to NASA.)

lead to policies such as this:

BLOG.BILLLAWRENCEONLINE.COM: Why Global Warming Is Not Happening

Federal workers on Wednesday, June 1, will turn off
the generators at the Elwha Dam on the Elwha River
in Washington State and begin the largest dam removal
project in U.S. history and probably world history since
it is hard to imagine any other nation than
Obama's America doing anything this stupid.

Slated to be removed are the 105-foot Elwha Dam
built in 1913 and the 210-foot Glines Canyon Dam
eight -miles upstream built in 1927.

The cost to remove the dams and cut off
greenhouse-gas-free electricity capable of
supplying 1,700 homes is $324.7 million.
--------------------------------

....the same group that insists on privation to stop global warming insists on ripping down these dams.

Global warming is not happening. What is happening is a power play by those who are driven to rule others.

And the very worst crime of the enviornuts is the
indoctrination of innocent children in theoretical
pseudo-science.

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