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[BartW]

Oil bosses to meet in latest climate change offensive

The leaders of eight of the world's top oil companies will meet in Paris next week to explain how they will help combat climate change, as part of an offensive ahead of a U.N. summit later this year.

The Oct. 16 meeting will be followed by a press conference, where the company heads are also expected to renew their call for a global carbon pricing mechanism, the chief executive of French oil major Total, Patrick Pouyanne, said on Wednesday at a conference in London.

Earlier this year BG Group, BP, Eni, Royal Dutch Shell, Statoil and Total wrote to U.N. climate chief Christiana Figueres, urging governments around the world to introduce a pricing system for carbon emissions.

Exxon Mobil and Chevron, the two largest U.S. oil companies, did not take part in the letter. Exxon chief Rex Tillerson on Wednesday called for a revenue-neutral global carbon tax that would differ in each country.

"We believe the risks posed by climate change are serious. We also believe by taking sound and wise action now we can better mitigate those risks," Tillerson said at the conference.

"We have held the view that a revenue-neutral carbon tax is the best option. The revenue-neutral carbon tax could be a workable policy framework for countries around the world. They can tailor it to their own economic conditions."

Wow, who’d a thunk the world’s most notorious climate obstructionist advocates the same policy I do.

Too bad our politicians are still too hung up on denialist talking points to have serious discussions on, say, the merits of cap-and-trade vs a carbon tax or what to do with the revenue. Instead, America gets more centralized bureaucracy in Obama’s EPA regulations while “communist” China adopts a market-based policy (invented in America by conservatives)!

 

[Sandvol]

Oil bosses to meet in latest climate change offensive

Wow, who’d a thunk the world’s most notorious climate obstructionist advocates the same policy I do.

Too bad our politicians are still too hung up on denialist talking points to have serious discussions on, say, the merits of cap-and-trade vs a carbon tax or what to do with the revenue. Instead, America gets more centralized bureaucracy in Obama’s EPA regulations while “communist” China adopts a market-based policy (invented in America by conservatives)!

Yawn.

 

[dduncan4163]

http://graphics.latimes.com/exxon-arctic/

 

[MG1968]

lulz at Bart continuing to trumpet what the Chinese are doing (or claiming to be doing)

 

[Sandvol]

lulz at Bart continuing to trumpet what the Chinese are doing (or claiming to be doing)

Bart has Chairman Mao on his wall.

 

[BartW]

lulz at Bart continuing to trumpet what the Chinese are doing (or claiming to be doing)

^in denial

 

[Sandvol]

^in denial

You're hilarious. You really think that we are naïve enough to believe the Chinese or BP are concerned about the environment? Nor do we believe that you are.

 

[tumscalcium]

You're hilarious. You really think that we are naïve enough to believe the Chinese or BP are concerned about the environment? Nor do we believe that you are.

Bart is to China as Ras is to Russia.

 

[BartW]

You're hilarious. You really think that we are naïve enough to believe the Chinese or BP are concerned about the environment? Nor do we believe that you are.

They're not exactly tree huggers, but they aren't in denial like you are.


Oil unlikely to ever be fully exploited because of climate concerns – BP

The world’s oil resources are unlikely to ever be fully exploited, BP has admitted, due to international concern about climate change.

The statement, by the group’s chief economist, is the clearest acknowledgement yet by a major fossil fuel company that some coal, oil and gas will have to remain in the ground if dangerous global warming is to be avoided.

“Oil is not likely to be exhausted,” said Spencer Dale in a speech in London. Dale, who chief economist at the Bank of England until 2014, said: “What has changed in recent years is the growing recognition [of] concerns about carbon emissions and climate change.”

Scientists have warned that most existing fossil fuel reserves must stay in the ground to avoid catastrophic global warming and Dale accepted this explicitly.

“Existing reserves of fossil fuels – i.e. oil, gas and coal – if used in their entirety would generate somewhere in excess of 2.8trn tonnes of CO2, well in excess of the 1trn tonnes or so the scientific community consider is consistent with limiting the rise in global mean temperatures to no more than 2C,” he said.

 

[BartW]

Déjà Vu Again: Hot September Drives 2015 To Hottest Year On Record

Once again, it’s the hottest year on record by far through last month, NASA reports. We’re running out of headlines for this repetitive monthly warm up, but with the recent death of the legendary Yogi Berra, one of his classic lines comes to mind, “It’s like deja-vu, all over again.”

This was the hottest September by far in the dataset of the Japan Meteorological Agency, and second only to 2014 for hottest September in the NASA dataset.

With the long-term warming trend caused by human activity boosted by the short-term warming caused by the strongest El Niño since the big one of 1997-1998 — and with the current month, October, trending very warm — it’s now a better than 99 percent chance 2015 will be the hottest calendar year on record.

No doubt 2015 will continue warming because of rising temperatures in the east-central tropical Pacific associated with the current El Niño. So 2016 could well top 2015.

And it was the second hottest month for the U.S., so don't give us that "but it's cold outside!" crap

 

[FLVOL69]

Déjà Vu Again: Hot September Drives 2015 To Hottest Year On Record

And it was the second hottest month for the U.S., so don't give us that "but it's cold outside!" crap

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[FLVOL69]

Déjà Vu Again: Hot September Drives 2015 To Hottest Year On Record

And it was the second hottest month for the U.S., so don't give us that "but it's cold outside!" crap

Think progress and NASA huh? Lmfao.. NASA is an acronym for never a straight answer..😂

 

[Biopsyman]

It cant believe its Fall with cool temps.. Its only happened every year of my life

 

[theFallGuy]

It cant believe its Fall with cool temps.. Its only happened every year of my life

let's be clear, those temps don't have anything to do with global warming, unless of course the temps are really high or low, then they are directly related to global warming

 

[Sandvol]

Déjà Vu Again: Hot September Drives 2015 To Hottest Year On Record

And it was the second hottest month for the U.S., so don't give us that "but it's cold outside!" crap

Nah.

 

[BartW]

Nah.

"Adjusted data"

We live on Earth's surface, remember?

:bump3:

Yes, I can honestly say looking at the data that there is a pause in the warming since 2000 even without the El Nino. You, nor I nor UAH can predict what the El Nino will look like or if there will be one in 2016.

Satellites report record tropical air temperatures

Tropical air temperatures remained high in September due to the ongoing El Niño Pacific Ocean warming event, according to data released by the University of Huntsville in Alabama (UAH).

Satellite data shows that the temperature anomaly - the variance to the long-term average - for the tropical lower troposphere in September was +0.55 C. This makes September 2015 the warmest September reported in the tropics since satellite measurements of atmospheric temperature began in 1979, according to UAH.


The warming of the atmosphere in the tropics is due to heat transferring from the sea surface which has been warmed by El Niño. Sea surface temperatures in the tropics remain elevated.

UAH climate scientist John Christy said in a news release issued along with the temperature data that "there is significant heat that has yet to be transferred from the ocean into the atmosphere". It is reasonable to expect the heat from the El Niño to continue to spread across more of the globe during the next three months, according to UAH.

So much for the “missing” tropospheric hot spot. Anyway, do you still stand by your claim that global warming stopped in 2000, even though UAH shows every year since has been hotter than 2000? And do you still think nobody can predict the effects El Nino?

 

[BartW]

Think progress and NASA huh? Lmfao.. NASA is an acronym for never a straight answer..😂

Do you have a clever acronym for JMA, too? Japan has it as the hottest September by far. How about the U.K. Met Office, NOAA, Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature, ...

 

[BartW]

Climate Change Emerges as a Campaign Theme

The Democratic hopefuls for president vowed to embrace forceful measures to combat climate change in their curtain-raising debate last night without explaining how they would enlist the help of Republican lawmakers needed to enact their ambitious plans.

Four of the five candidates raised the climate issue in their opening statements, marking a clear contrast to the 2012 presidential election, when President Obama largely avoided the topic. One analyst described the debate as a symbol of growing Democratic confidence that climate change can win primary votes while also exposing Republicans to vulnerabilities in the general election.

Good write-up. Their ‘debate’ was equally uninspiring, but at least it looks like the democrats will make climate change a major issue this time around.

 

[Sandvol]

"Adjusted data"

We live on Earth's surface, remember?

:bump3:


Satellites report record tropical air temperatures

So much for the “missing” tropospheric hot spot. Anyway, do you still stand by your claim that global warming stopped in 2000, even though UAH shows every year since has been hotter than 2000? And do you still think nobody can predict the effects El Nino?

He's not predicting the effects of the El Nino he is reporting them Bart. He nor you nor I know what El Nino will be like in 2016. Yes, I stand by my claim that global warming stopped in 2000. UAH doesn't show every year hotter. Their plot is flat. Deal with it and stop trying to fabricate something that isn't there.

 

[Sandvol]

The Version 6.0 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for September, 2015 is +0.25 deg. C, down slightly from the August, 2015 value of +0.28 deg. C (click for full size version):

Down slightly from August just doesn't fit the template.

 

[BartW]

UAH climate scientist John Christy said in a news release issued along with the temperature data that "there is significant heat that has yet to be transferred from the ocean into the atmosphere". It is reasonable to expect the heat from the El Niño to continue to spread across more of the globe during the next three months, according to UAH.

He's not predicting the effects of the El Nino he is reporting them Bart.

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Literally every year in the UAH data since 2000 has been hotter than the year 2000

UAH doesn't show every year hotter. Their plot is flat.

 

[BartW]

Down slightly from August just doesn't fit the template.

Perhaps. That’s global (LT). The TLT record heat is a reflection of the growing El Nino's magnitude, which at least rivals that of the great El Nino of '97/'98. Like Christy said, there is significant heat yet to be transferred from the oceans to the atmosphere.

He's probably a little off on the time frame, though. El Nino's sea surface temperatures are expected to peak in 3 months or so, yes, but atmospheric temperatures lag El Nino's SST by 3-6 months. That's why the El Nino in winter of '97/'98 boosted 1998 to a record-smashing temperature, and it's why scientists are already predicting that 2016 will break whatever record we set this year.

 

[BartW]

Even Fossil Fuel Companies Support An International Climate Agreement

In a joint statement released Wednesday by the Center for Climate and Energy Solutions, 14 major Fortune 500 companies voiced their support for a strong global agreement on climate change.

The 14-company coalition represents a broad set of business interests, from technology giants like Intel and HP to the electronics manufacturer Siemens Corporation. But the letter also includes supporters that might not seem like the most natural allies to a global climate agreement, including coal mining companies like BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto, oil and gas companies like BP and Shell, and industrial manufacturers like Alcoa and LafargeHolcim. Together, the companies have a combined revenues of $1.1 trillion and employ more than 1.5 million people, according to the Center for Climate and Energy Solutions.

“These are companies with real skin in the game – either they’re large emitters or their products are,” Center for Climate and Energy Solutions President Bob Perciasepe said in a statement. “They know emissions need to come down and are taking steps on their own. But they believe the low-carbon transition requires stronger leadership from governments, too.”

In the statement, the companies outline four ways that a climate agreement in Paris could “strengthen the role of, and minimize risks to, the private sector.” These include providing long-term direction when it comes to decarbonizing the global economy, requiring countries to be transparent about their policies, requiring all the world’s major economies to be a part of the deal in order to ensure comparability across the world, and facilitating the growth of a global carbon market, which the statement calls a “critical tool for cost-effective emissions reduction.”

“They want some clarity, transparency, and predictability in policy response to climate change, because that helps them better prepare their investments,” Tim Juliani, senior director for business strategy and partnerships at the Center for Climate and Energy Solutions, told ThinkProgress. “They recognize that policy is moving forward, and they want to see a comparability of efforts across economies.”

 

[Rifleman]

Bart, and other beer lovers, you can get this at Trader Joe's for 6 bucks now:

Pretty standard Heinenken-esque lager. Solid. Nothing fancy, but I love the name and the price.

You're welcome.

 

[Sandvol]

Perhaps. That’s global (LT). The TLT record heat is a reflection of the growing El Nino's magnitude, which at least rivals that of the great El Nino of '97/'98. Like Christy said, there is significant heat yet to be transferred from the oceans to the atmosphere.

He's probably a little off on the time frame, though. El Nino's sea surface temperatures are expected to peak in 3 months or so, yes, but atmospheric temperatures lag El Nino's SST by 3-6 months. That's why the El Nino in winter of '97/'98 boosted 1998 to a record-smashing temperature, and it's why scientists are already predicting that 2016 will break whatever record we set this year.

Just like the NY gala and the Pope's Enclave. Your predictions always seem to fail.