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So, then why doesn't it continue to warm?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "it," but on a particular day it is because the sun sinks and sets. Otherwise, it would continue to warm. You can demonstrate this yourself if you wish. Get two empty two liter bottles. Cut off the labels. Have one be totally dry and the other rinse with water. drop a thermometer in each and screw the lid on. Set it out in the sun and check the temperature periodically.

You can do the same thing with carbon dioxide, by the way. Use several antacid tablets.
 
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Really. They said a meteorite hit the other side of the world causing cold dry conditions south of the equator which lead to the prolonged drought and the fall of the Mayans.



But that doesn't fit anyone's adgreda.

This is the network with "Ancient Aliens," keep in mind. While there may have been some bolloid impact that played a part, that isn't what "caused" it.

Check out "Collapse" By Jared Diamond:
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I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "it," but on a particular day it is because the sun sinks and sets. Otherwise, it would continue to warm. You can demonstrate this yourself if you wish. Get two empty two liter bottles. Cut off the labels. Have one be totally dry and the other rinse with water. drop a thermometer in each and screw the lid on. Set it out in the sun and check the temperature periodically.

You can do the same thing with carbon dioxide, by the way. Use several antacid tablets.

No, I mean if water is a positive feedback then why after it warms, more water vaporizes and warms more, and then more water vaporizes and warms more, and on and on? What stops the warming?
 
No, I mean if water is a positive feedback then why after it warms, more water vaporizes and warms more, and then more water vaporizes and warms more, and on and on? What stops the warming?

Once we hit summer, it's over. Global warming will be in full force, never to see temperatures drop again. This time next year, our planet will look like mars.
 
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It's interesting to see Singer and other bad actors communicating with the lukewarmers. Fred reached out to Monckton, Marc Morano, Willie Soon, Anthony Watts, Patrick Michaels, Steven Milloy, Judith Curry, Roy Spencer, Roger Pielke, and Joe Bast, among a small handful. It just goes to show what a cute little tight-knit community they are. I wonder how they feel about having their e-mails published online...
 
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No, I mean if water is a positive feedback then why after it warms, more water vaporizes and warms more, and then more water vaporizes and warms more, and on and on? What stops the warming?

Well, night time for one and to a lesser extent the dissipation of heat via the second law of thermodynamics. You are essentially asking why we don't get hotter and hotter during a sunny day. If Earth didn't rotate, we would continue to get hotter and hotter.

Another aspect is that as air (and water vapor therein) heats up, it can rise if it is even slightly warmer than the air around it. As air rises, it adiabatically cools meaning it changes temperature purely due to pressure change, not a change in energy. This is why it gets cooler the higher one goes up in elevation/altitude in the troposphere- as one increases in altitude one has less atmospheric mass above, meaning less pressure pushing down due to gravity. If the air cools to the dewpoint temperature (saturation humidity), the water vapor condenses into a cloud. When this occurs, we have several positive and negative climate feedbacks occurring sometimes simultaneously, here are two examples:

clouds have a high albedo (reflectivity) and reflect incoming solar radiation (negative feedback, cooling)

clouds absorb and reradiate thermal infrared radiation from the Earth (positive feedback, warming)

Also, as temperatures cool at night, they can reach saturation humidity and cause water vapor to condense or sublimate as dew or frost as well. This is another mechanism for regulating humidity besides precipitation and cloud formation.

It is a dynamic and complex system, thus it doesn't heat on and on here on Earth. However, such a heat loop is exactly what has occurred on Venus. Instead of water being the principle greenhouse gas there like it is on Earth, it is-- yep, carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide does not condense or precipitate out of the atmosphere as easily, does not form reflective clouds, but does dissolve in water which can lead to it forming carbonate rocks here on Earth typically with the help of sea life such as coral.
 
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Once we hit summer, it's over. Global warming will be in full force, never to see temperatures drop again. This time next year, our planet will look like mars.

Mars is a good bit colder than Earth, in large part due to not having much of an atmosphere.


This summer it will be hot, next winter it will be cold. These events do not conflict with climate change in any way.
 
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Well, night time for one and to a lesser extent the dissipation of heat via the second law of thermodynamics. You are essentially asking why we don't get hotter and hotter during a sunny day. If Earth didn't rotate, we would continue to get hotter and hotter.

Another aspect is that as air (and water vapor therein) heats up, it can rise if it is even slightly warmer than the air around it. As air rises, it adiabatically cools meaning it changes temperature purely due to pressure change, not a change in energy. This is why it gets cooler the higher one goes up in elevation/altitude in the troposphere- as one increases in altitude one has less atmospheric mass above, meaning less pressure pushing down due to gravity. If the air cools to the dewpoint temperature (saturation humidity), the water vapor condenses into a cloud. When this occurs, we have several positive and negative climate feedbacks occurring sometimes simultaneously, here are two examples:

clouds have a high albedo (reflectivity) and reflect incoming solar radiation (negative feedback, cooling)

clouds absorb and reradiate thermal infrared radiation from the Earth (positive feedback, warming)

Also, as temperatures cool at night, they can reach saturation humidity and cause water vapor to condense or sublimate as dew or frost as well. This is another mechanism for regulating humidity besides precipitation and cloud formation.

It is a dynamic and complex system, thus it doesn't heat on and on here on Earth. However, such a heat loop is exactly what has occurred on Venus. Instead of water being the principle greenhouse gas there like it is on Earth, it is-- yep, carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide does not condense or precipitate out of the atmosphere as easily, does not form reflective clouds, but does dissolve in water which can lead to it forming carbonate rocks here on Earth typically with the help of sea life such as coral.

You are essentially describing a non greenhouse system where heat isn't "trapped." As the planet gives off heat it heats up the low lying homogenous mixture of gas (air) molecules and they rise up through the atmosphere and transfer heat by convection into the upper atmosphere and into space. So you have this constant circulation of this homogenous gas mixture that rises and cools and then sinks and heats up. You've convinced me this "greenhouse" theory is shaky.
 
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It's interesting to see Singer and other bad actors communicating with the lukewarmers. Fred reached out to Monckton, Marc Morano, Willie Soon, Anthony Watts, Patrick Michaels, Steven Milloy, Judith Curry, Roy Spencer, Roger Pielke, and Joe Bast, among a small handful. It just goes to show what a cute little tight-knit community they are. I wonder how they feel about having their e-mails published online...

Bart and his minions continuing their propaganda. Belittling great men and women of science.


All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true within itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
 
Merchants of Doubt Film Debuts, Textbook Denial Attack Campaign Led By Fred Singer Ensues

It's interesting to see Singer and other bad actors communicating with the lukewarmers. Fred reached out to Monckton, Marc Morano, Willie Soon, Anthony Watts, Patrick Michaels, Steven Milloy, Judith Curry, Roy Spencer, Roger Pielke, and Joe Bast, among a small handful. It just goes to show what a cute little tight-knit community they are. I wonder how they feel about having their e-mails published online...

Curious how scientifically objective you think "Merchants of Doubt" will be.

Should serious scientists be promoting this film?
 
Curious how scientifically objective you think "Merchants of Doubt" will be.

Should serious scientists be promoting this film?
Yes, it sheds light on important issues.

Merchants of Doubt
is not about the physical science so much as the social science. If the film is like the book it'll be rather dry and facty. The book was well researched/documented and very insightful. It's not the hit piece you're probably imagining.

I'm looking forward to appearances by Fred Singer and Marc Morano among notable contrarians, as well as interesting activists in conservatives Bob Inglis and Katherine Hayhoe. The last three of those four were not a part of the book at all so hopefully the film adaptation complements the original work with some fresh, worthwhile content.
 
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