Official 3/3 GOP debate thread

#276
#276
VolnJC said:
**DRUDGE POLL** WHO WON THE 11TH REPUBLICAN DEBATE '16?

CRUZ

18%

15,823 votes
KASICH

8%

6,610 votes

RUBIO

5%

4,074 votes

TRUMP

69%

59,415 votes
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Those numbers for Trump are kind of low for Drudge.
 
#278
#278
Grand Vol said:
I tend to try to be objective, though Gramps thinks I'm crazy. Trump had a few great moments even though I'm not a huge fan. But he also showed how easily he can be provoked and fall back into the name calling and childish banter. It's expected of Cruz to be a dick, though he had a few moments that made me chuckle. Rubio snuck in a couple of hits (the yoga comment was good) but failed miserably in the back and forth with Trump. It's just not his style.

Kasich snuck in a hit on Trump at the end, but stays above the banter and makes his case of being the most "Presidential" on the stage.
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Gramps doesn't think you are crazy. You are very objective the majority of the time.
 
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#280
Trump saying he could give unlawful orders to military personnel and they would do it because they have too. That scared the hell out of me.
 
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Gramps said:
You have as much man love for Little Marco as I have despise for the Canadian. :crazy:
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I wouldn't say man love lol

I just think he represents the future of the GOP as well as being passionate about what he's doing. Let's face it, there really haven't been any candidates with fire the past few elections.
 
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How the hell people aren't supporting Kasich is really confusing. He is clearly the best on that stage and far better then any other GOP candidate in the general for 20 years:
 
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carlos86 said:
Trump saying he could give unlawful orders to military personnel and they would do it because they have too. That scared the hell out of me.
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Unlawful orders are not valid but I don't recall the ones Trump would give. Please expand. Lawful policies are not unlawful orders, by the way.
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
Unlawful orders are not valid but I don't recall the ones Trump would give. Please expand. Lawful policies are not unlawful orders, by the way.
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He's referring to Trump ordering the targeting of the families of terrorists. Which is a direct violation of the Geneva Conventions.

It's an unlawful policy.
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
Unlawful orders are not valid but I don't recall the ones Trump would give. Please expand. Lawful policies are not unlawful orders, by the way.
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If Trump were president and ordered the commander of USSOCOM to launch a raid to kill a terrorist and also kill his family that is an unlawful order. Ordering military personal to conduct torture is an unlawful order.
 
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From Tom Nichols Who is a naval war college professor.

"Seriously, Trump has just vowed that he will order the US military to commit war crimes, and that they will not resist. All you people confidently predicting impeachment if Trump ordered the military to commit war crimes: Not so fast.

Congress would have to decide it does not have the latitude to interfere in the President firing his own military chiefs. This assumes, by the way, that Congress even *knows* what the President ordered.

Military would have to go to the Hill. In other words, Trump would give illegal orders, and his chiefs would have to provoke a massive civil-military crisis.

This is dangerous on so many levels. Trump has vowed to turn the White House into a military junta."

#BananaRepublican
 
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carlos86 said:
If Trump were president and ordered the commander of USSOCOM to launch a raid to kill a terrorist and also kill his family that is an unlawful order. Ordering military personal to conduct torture is an unlawful order.
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Ahh...but the Commander in Chief determines the legality of some and mostof these orders. What is torture? It is not a subjective determination from Carolos' point of view. You might think harsh language and missing a meal is torture, but your opinion means little. Is something Trump is proposing in violation of the UCMJ or some other controlling authority? Who is a terrorist? Maybe it is the wife if she is complicit, aiding and abetting. Lawful orders are dependent on policy and context.
 
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#294
carlos86 said:
From Tom Nichols Who is a naval war college professor.

"Seriously, Trump has just vowed that he will order the US military to commit war crimes, and that they will not resist. All you people confidently predicting impeachment if Trump ordered the military to commit war crimes: Not so fast.

Congress would have to decide it does not have the latitude to interfere in the President firing his own military chiefs. This assumes, by the way, that Congress even *knows* what the President ordered.

Military would have to go to the Hill. In other words, Trump would give illegal orders, and his chiefs would have to provoke a massive civil-military crisis.

This is dangerous on so many levels. Trump has vowed to turn the White House into a military junta."

#BananaRepublican
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In my best Chandler Bing voice...

Could you be any MORE anti Trump?
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
In all seriousness, that is close to where the electorate is. GOP voters hate the establishment losers as much as the democrats. "The opposite" of Romney and McCain must be considered as a possibility. It's the perfect explanation for Trump. Trump would not be possible without the combination of Obama and vapid republicans like McConnell and Boehner. The right is sick and tired of losing. So, Trump doesn't fit the perfect conservative model...but he's a winner and winning is something they are very hungry for.
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The GOP needs to be burned to the ground. Let the Libertarians fill the void an watch the Dems lose half their base; keeping only those on welfare and guys like LG
 
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Mr_Henley said:
Apparently not sick enough. Rand Paul couldn't touch 7% and John Kasich is in 4th currently. It's a shame.
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We can thank the corp owned media for that. The corp overloads have zero interest in letting a "for the people" candidate in the race on either side
 
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#298
Hmm, I know someone who has a masters from the Naval War College and Georgetown University in national security studies and is a MIT Fellow of International studies. Big Trump supporter. I guess he fell asleep in Tom Nichols class
 
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#299
Ernest T. Vol said:
Is something Trump is proposing in violation of the UCMJ or some other controlling authority? Who is a terrorist? Maybe it is the wife if she is complicit, aiding and abetting. Lawful orders are dependent on policy and context.
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For real?

Donald Trump on terrorists: 'Take out their families' - CNNPolitics.com

Donald Trump says families of terrorists should be targeted

And he just reaffirmed his position tonight.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu4IC-UAIzY[/youtube]

Don't even try to get into this legality BS on this one. There's more than enough context out there to know he's flat wrong in this case. Targeting non-combatants is a gross violation of the Geneva Convention any way you slice it. And furthermore, claiming the military "won't refuse an order from me" because of leadership is way, way, way off base and far more authoritarian than it should be.
 
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