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I've got business clients in Australia and they don't believe that at all. In fact, AU has some of the highest approval ratings for Obama.

Personal anecdotes aside, the polling doesn't lie. I apologize in advance if the polling doesn't coincide with personal prejudices.

Frankly, I expect few here would acknowledge anything as fact that didn't fit into their preconceived notions of what it should be. Carry on.

why are you turning this thread into an international Obama approval pissing contest.

I honestly could give 2 sheets if Ghana thinks Obama is the second coming of Jesus Christ. It's not going to go down in the books as some sort of great achievement for him. I'm sure a lot of countries didn't like Winston Churchill. It means about as much as the fact that I'm about to sign off and go take a piss.
 
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They hold beliefs too, based on their governments propaganda. The US is the preferred scapegoat for most governments failures around the world. Newspapers like The Guardian in the UK blame the migrant crisis on the US, which any logical person knows is isn't true. There are vast numbers of people in Western Europe that blame their everyday problems on the US. The President comes out for the most part largely unscathed, as Republican interventionism is usually cited as the cause of of current problems like Ukraine, Lybia, and Syria even though they really have nothing to do with it.

I can agree that Europeans scapegoat the US with their everyday problems; but do you really believe US policy has nothing to do with the cluster in Lybia and Syria? We bombed Lybia when Qaddafi was trying to work with us and we've been funding, training, and sending weapons to Syrian rebels long before we got involved in an official capacity.

Maybe we didn't have any good options in the ME, but we can't say our intervention has nothing to do with it when we're neck deep in it.
 
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I can agree that Europeans scapegoat the US with their everyday problems; but do you really believe US policy has nothing to do with the cluster in Lybia and Syria? We bombed Lybia when Qaddafi was trying to work with us and we've been funding, training, and sending weapons to Syrian rebels long before we got involved in an official capacity.

Maybe we didn't have any good options in the ME, but we can't say our intervention has nothing to do with it when we're neck deep in it.

The bombing of Lybia came at the behest of France and the UK mainly. France even was conducted the large majority of the bombing. The Syrian conflict was underway for almost two years before the US armed any of the rebels. This after Assad famously crossed the Presidents "red line." The President obviously did not want to get involved, but it happened. Reading some foreign media and you would think the US started the whole thing, same with Lybia.
 
The bombing of Lybia came at the behest of France and the UK mainly. France even was conducted the large majority of the bombing. The Syrian conflict was underway for almost two years before the US armed any of the rebels. This after Assad famously crossed the Presidents "red line." The President obviously did not want to get involved, but it happened. Reading some foreign media and you would think the US started the whole thing, same with Lybia.

You are right in assuming that the US did not specifically start the Syrian conflict, if, by "start," we mean intentionally instigate it. (The conflict is the result of numerous factors, and is not explainable by reducing its origins simply to "the US caused it.") The US did, however, try to take advantage of a bad situation there, an attempt that only aggravated the crisis. We saw an opportunity, and once we inserted ourselves into the conflict, we only backed ourselves and others already involved further into a corner.

What I think many people around the globe, specifically in Europe, confuse for "US instigation" of the Syrian conflict is the fact that our unadvised invasion of Iraq set the wheels in motion for the Syrian conflict, or at least accelerated its inevitability (honestly, much of what we're witnessing today in the Middle East was probably inevitable; we just accelerated the timeline). So, in this sense, they're technically correct, but just not in the sense that they think they are.

Speaking of blame for the conflict and the simple, reductive "black-and-white" narratives that we often use in assigning blame, it has baffled me that more blame has not been apportioned to Russia for instigating the conflict. Assad was Russia's last remaining "ally" in the Middle East (Iran is debatable). Did Putin have no interest in or need for quelling the violence, both Assad's and the opposition's, either diplomatically or with force before things got completely out of hand? No one would give the US such a pass.
 
Trump is such a weird dude. I'm still going back and trying to listen to it all, but did you see the post interview with Glenn Beck?

Trump doesn't even look at him when he's speaking. He doesn't look at the camera either. He just looks up and to the right. His body language is weird as ****.
 
Barry's policies may be a disgrace, some are, some are not. I will state again Obama nor any former president has never acted as bad as the group running for the office. They are an embarrassment. I will also add the acts of the GOP Establishment lately and the moderators at last night's debate were also an embarrassment although Megyn looked extremely sexy as she was trying to destroy Trump.
I can't trust a woman with eyelashes longer than the hair on her head.
 
Trump is such a weird dude. I'm still going back and trying to listen to it all, but did you see the post interview with Glenn Beck?

Trump doesn't even look at him when he's speaking. He doesn't look at the camera either. He just looks up and to the right. His body language is weird as ****.

Someone weird in the WH would be beneficial imo....this country is slipping in almost every single way...
 
Someone weird in the WH would be beneficial imo....this country is slipping in almost every single way...

So you believe he will help with our recent decrease in weirdness? He acts like a 3rd world dictator.
 
Kim Jong Un is weird.... how's that working out for NK?
 

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