Official 2014 Attrition/Transfer Thread

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sjt18 said:
Will this become the new excuse for not winning? Hard to build depth when you have guys with this kind of talent leaving.
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You consider peterman and jones quality depth? I think we have overtaken Bammer as the dumbest fan base. The day I get upset over either of them leaving is the day I have lost my mind. Don't get me wrong, they can stay but man I'm not losing sleep over that.

After that you listed three fresh. One of which prolly won't ever play ball and the other two are diva-is if the rumors are slightly true. Let them ride if they want to leave. Every program has transfers.
 
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NO SIR EEE said:
I wasn't really blasting the players, just putting the truth out there. I've noticed on any level of football, football isn't what it really used to be. It's changed for the worse IMO. I played from the time I was 6 years old all the way through my senior year of high school and it's just changed. It seems that football used to be more a knockdown drag out sport a while ago compared to now. Some players just don't seem into it like we used to be into it. We lived and breathed this stuff 24/7 365. Now I see players in the NFL complaining about hits and players in college who give their all for a little while and then flake out, or go out and get in trouble, and high school players now, well you got a few that are there 100 percent, then you got those guys that just do it to get recognized for wearing a jersey. The way I've always looked at it, especially during my playing days, unless you absolutely can't go, then you don't need to be out there. It cracks me up to see players go down with a turf toe, or a strained arm.
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AL Bundy, is that you?
 
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smokey0625 said:
You consider peterman and jones quality depth? I think we have overtaken Bammer as the dumbest fan base. The day I get upset over either of them leaving is the day I have lost my mind. Don't get me wrong, they can stay but man I'm not losing sleep over that.

After that you listed three fresh. One of which prolly won't ever play ball and the other two are diva-is if the rumors are slightly true. Let them ride if they want to leave. Every program has transfers.
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No the other two are incredibly talented and we will need them in the future. They are not any more "diva" than any other player around the nation.
 
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smokey0625 said:
You consider peterman and jones quality depth? I think we have overtaken Bammer as the dumbest fan base.
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Well.... I suppose you are working hard daily to supply evidence of that...

Peterman will be a 4th year player. Even if he just hands the ball off... he will at least know how to do that. Peterman DOES have talent. Behind a decent OL, maybe he's a better player. I have argued that he panics under pressure.... but one way to resolve that is to reduce the pressure. From a purely physical perspective... yes, he's quality depth. From a leadership in practice perspective... locker room perspective... he's the kind of guy you want on the team. Jones also has some talent but you can live with those kinds of losses since it is likely clear to both him and the staff that he is not going to become the type of player who can play for UT.

HOWEVER, the recruiting rules may not let UT replace Jones. In that case, you'd rather have him on your roster than not. He helps you more on the scout team than a Fr or walk on. He potentially helps you on ST's.

He is "depth".

The day I get upset over either of them leaving is the day I have lost my mind. Don't get me wrong, they can stay but man I'm not losing sleep over that.
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Then you are no where near smart enough to assert that others make Volnation the "dumbest" fanbase. If their departures open up scholarships that can be filled in this class then it doesn't hurt as much. But even if these guys are just experienced back ups and scout team players... they likely help you more than a new guy will. When Jones talks depth... he's not just talking about guys who are likely to ever play on Saturday. He's talking about the guys behind them that serve as "emergency" depth but also make practice more competitive.

After that you listed three fresh. One of which prolly won't ever play ball and the other two are diva-is if the rumors are slightly true. Let them ride if they want to leave. Every program has transfers.
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Can you name the good programs that are leaking good players and especially from the same position group (DE/DL)? Recruiting then losing Carr, Henderson, and Hendrix hurts anyway you spin it.

Unless there's something else going with those kids, all of the Freshmen who are leaving will play somewhere. Hendrix is going to be a very good player for someone. Scott probably will too. There are schools where Henderson can handle the academic load if that's the problem... if you get my drift. Bowles only real option is an FCS school. Peterman too if he transfers. Jones is probably a mid-major player but might develop fine there.

You have what evidence that any of them are divas? Not being able or willing to live up to the expectations of this particular staff does not make them divas or otherwise morally deficient.

Why is it that the "smart" and "mature" ones like you have to demonize players/coaches who "wrong" UT? The same phenomenon was seen with Dooley. He didn't just fail as a coach... some had to assign evil intent and character to him. The guy couldn't coach... he failed. That didn't make him the devil incarnate.

These guys aren't "bad" just because they may leave. They just don't see it being their best option.

The one take away for UT is that maybe their recruiting model needs some tweaking. Jones frequently mentions that they have a "profile" for players they recruit. That profile should have predicted Scott and Hendrix as attrition risks. Maybe it did. If not... adjust the profile so it doesn't happen for the same reason again.
 
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sjt18 said:
Well.... I suppose you are working hard daily to supply evidence of that...

Peterman will be a 4th year player. Even if he just hands the ball off... he will at least know how to do that. Peterman DOES have talent. Behind a decent OL, maybe he's a better player. I have argued that he panics under pressure.... but one way to resolve that is to reduce the pressure. From a purely physical perspective... yes, he's quality depth. From a leadership in practice perspective... locker room perspective... he's the kind of guy you want on the team. Jones also has some talent but you can live with those kinds of losses since it is likely clear to both him and the staff that he is not going to become the type of player who can play for UT.

HOWEVER, the recruiting rules may not let UT replace Jones. In that case, you'd rather have him on your roster than not. He helps you more on the scout team than a Fr or walk on. He potentially helps you on ST's.

He is "depth".

Then you are no where near smart enough to assert that others make Volnation the "dumbest" fanbase. If their departures open up scholarships that can be filled in this class then it doesn't hurt as much. But even if these guys are just experienced back ups and scout team players... they likely help you more than a new guy will. When Jones talks depth... he's not just talking about guys who are likely to ever play on Saturday. He's talking about the guys behind them that serve as "emergency" depth but also make practice more competitive.


Can you name the good programs that are leaking good players and especially from the same position group (DE/DL)? Recruiting then losing Carr, Henderson, and Hendrix hurts anyway you spin it.

Unless there's something else going with those kids, all of the Freshmen who are leaving will play somewhere. Hendrix is going to be a very good player for someone. Scott probably will too. There are schools where Henderson can handle the academic load if that's the problem... if you get my drift. Bowles only real option is an FCS school. Peterman too if he transfers. Jones is probably a mid-major player but might develop fine there.

You have what evidence that any of them are divas? Not being able or willing to live up to the expectations of this particular staff does not make them divas or otherwise morally deficient.

Why is it that the "smart" and "mature" ones like you have to demonize players/coaches who "wrong" UT? The same phenomenon was seen with Dooley. He didn't just fail as a coach... some had to assign evil intent and character to him. The guy couldn't coach... he failed. That didn't make him the devil incarnate.

These guys aren't "bad" just because they may leave. They just don't see it being their best option.

The one take away for UT is that maybe their recruiting model needs some tweaking. Jones frequently mentions that they have a "profile" for players they recruit. That profile should have predicted Scott and Hendrix as attrition risks. Maybe it did. If not... adjust the profile so it doesn't happen for the same reason again.
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Fsu coker, bama kamara. Also hard to name a ton because many kids that leave never do anything afterwards. But I disproved your point.
does getting the boot count? Cause GA will kick off five guys befote next year.
 
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smokey0625 said:
Fsu coker, bama kamara. Also hard to name a ton because many kids that leave never do anything afterwards. But I disproved your point.
does getting the boot count? Cause GA will kick off five guys befote next year.
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And barely needed a paragraph. :eek:hmy:
 
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sjt18 said:
Well.... I suppose you are working hard daily to supply evidence of that...

Peterman will be a 4th year player. Even if he just hands the ball off... he will at least know how to do that. Peterman DOES have talent. Behind a decent OL, maybe he's a better player. I have argued that he panics under pressure.... but one way to resolve that is to reduce the pressure. From a purely physical perspective... yes, he's quality depth. From a leadership in practice perspective... locker room perspective... he's the kind of guy you want on the team. Jones also has some talent but you can live with those kinds of losses since it is likely clear to both him and the staff that he is not going to become the type of player who can play for UT.

HOWEVER, the recruiting rules may not let UT replace Jones. In that case, you'd rather have him on your roster than not. He helps you more on the scout team than a Fr or walk on. He potentially helps you on ST's.

He is "depth".

Then you are no where near smart enough to assert that others make Volnation the "dumbest" fanbase. If their departures open up scholarships that can be filled in this class then it doesn't hurt as much. But even if these guys are just experienced back ups and scout team players... they likely help you more than a new guy will. When Jones talks depth... he's not just talking about guys who are likely to ever play on Saturday. He's talking about the guys behind them that serve as "emergency" depth but also make practice more competitive.


Can you name the good programs that are leaking good players and especially from the same position group (DE/DL)? Recruiting then losing Carr, Henderson, and Hendrix hurts anyway you spin it.

Unless there's something else going with those kids, all of the Freshmen who are leaving will play somewhere. Hendrix is going to be a very good player for someone. Scott probably will too. There are schools where Henderson can handle the academic load if that's the problem... if you get my drift. Bowles only real option is an FCS school. Peterman too if he transfers. Jones is probably a mid-major player but might develop fine there.

You have what evidence that any of them are divas? Not being able or willing to live up to the expectations of this particular staff does not make them divas or otherwise morally deficient.

Why is it that the "smart" and "mature" ones like you have to demonize players/coaches who "wrong" UT? The same phenomenon was seen with Dooley. He didn't just fail as a coach... some had to assign evil intent and character to him. The guy couldn't coach... he failed. That didn't make him the devil incarnate.

These guys aren't "bad" just because they may leave. They just don't see it being their best option.

The one take away for UT is that maybe their recruiting model needs some tweaking. Jones frequently mentions that they have a "profile" for players they recruit. That profile should have predicted Scott and Hendrix as attrition risks. Maybe it did. If not... adjust the profile so it doesn't happen for the same reason again.
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All speculation at this point where you say that all the fresh will be good. We havent seen enough from any of them to say they would be classified as a lock to be good. I thought that with many fresh and nothing happened in their career afterwards. Claret from osu is a good example and brent schaefer as another. So please, act like we have been there before. Every program is dealing with people leaving. Lastly, anyone upset that Peterman is gone is insane. I know what he can do. I would rather have a freshmen that I'm not sure of play rather than a guy I know will be terrible. We have our experienced qb in Dobbs now, we don't need just a bunch of older guys who are mtsu good.
 
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Has anyone heard of Paulk perhaps being reinstated? I saw it in the recruiting forum- would be great especially is Scott does want to transfer.
 
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NO SIR EEE said:
Not sure about the answer for the scholarship question, but let me say this. A broken hand is sometimes a freak accident and there is no reason to put the blame on the coaches. These other guys just sound like their hearts aren't in it anymore, and well quite frankly, if your heart isn't in it, pack your **** and get the **** out!!! This team doesn't need that sissy ass bs, they need warriors that will leave it out on the field every game.
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OH. MY. GOD.

Mister, I don't know who you are or what you happen to be killing and tearing to pieces right now, but you and I are going to party. Let's grab some natty light (cans. bottles are for people who sit when they pee) and take it down to the mall to remind the high schoolers that giants once roamed the earth.

It is not only this post that won me over. It was all that followed. It was your handle (NO SIR EEE!! Are you kidding me??). Most of all it was the feeling I had after reading your comments. Like I want to slap the s**t out of Charles Bronson in front of his kids.

I thank you. Keep that real stuff coming.
 
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smokey0625 said:
Fsu coker, bama kamara. Also hard to name a ton because many kids that leave never do anything afterwards. But I disproved your point.
does getting the boot count? Cause GA will kick off five guys befote next year.
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No. You didn't disprove my point.

If you have talented players, you never want it not to work out with them. If Jones didn't want these guys then he would have asked them or pushed them to leave. There is no evidence he did that with the possible exception of Bowles.
 
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smokey0625 said:
All speculation at this point where you say that all the fresh will be good. We havent seen enough from any of them to say they would be classified as a lock to be good. I thought that with many fresh and nothing happened in their career afterwards. Claret from osu is a good example and brent schaefer as another. So please, act like we have been there before. Every program is dealing with people leaving. Lastly, anyone upset that Peterman is gone is insane. I know what he can do. I would rather have a freshmen that I'm not sure of play rather than a guy I know will be terrible. We have our experienced qb in Dobbs now, we don't need just a bunch of older guys who are mtsu good.
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Wait. So you are defending Jones by claiming he signed players destined to be no good?

Hendrix is almost certain to be a very good player for someone. Henderson's issues appear to have been with the Clearinghouse.... not talent or anything football related.

What were you saying about Scott's potential before or when he was a recruit?
 
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sjt18 said:
Wait. So you are defending Jones by claiming he signed players destined to be no good?

Hendrix is almost certain to be a very good player for someone. Henderson's issues appear to have been with the Clearinghouse.... not talent or anything football related.

What were you saying about Scott's potential before or when he was a recruit?
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Don't be dumb. I'm saying you can't predict. There was a study done by si a few years ago about how players that transfer or switch their commitment even tend to not pan out. I'm basing my info on research where you are a basing yours off of just being a silly kid/teeanger. If you aren't a kid or teenager, then you're acting like one. Bottomline, I'm glad I don't have to know you and if you were injured in some way it doesn't affect my life.
I stated when all are freshmen, that im excited about their potential but they haven't done anything yet. After their freshmen year I get to reevaluate how I feel they did. After next year I can do the same thing. I judged Peterman on how he plays not on his star rankings. Guess what, hes not SEC caliber.
Lastly, Fulmer didn't recruit schaefer to suck it up and neither did fisher plan that for coker. It happens, but something that won't happen is me conversing with you again. Btw, you're wrong.
 
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smokey0625 said:
Don't be dumb. I'm saying you can't predict. There was a study done by si a few years ago about how players that transfer or switch their commitment even tend to not pan out. I'm basing my info on research where you are a basing yours off of just being a silly kid/teeanger. If you aren't a kid or teenager, then you're acting like one. Bottomline, I'm glad I don't have to know you and if you were injured in some way it doesn't affect my life.
I stated when all are freshmen, that im excited about their potential but they haven't done anything yet. After their freshmen year I get to reevaluate how I feel they did. After next year I can do the same thing. I judged Peterman on how he plays not on his star rankings. Guess what, hes not SEC caliber.
Lastly, Fulmer didn't recruit schaefer to suck it up and neither did fisher plan that for coker. It happens, but something that won't happen is me conversing with you again. Btw, you're wrong.
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I sort of agree with both of you. I too don't necessarily feel star ratings are tge be all end all as some do. As for Hendrix, he is the one zi would hate to lose. I suspect that he does not want to move inside to DT. We need a smaller athletic body at the strong side like Magitt. Hendrix will have an easier time becoming a starter in a 3-4 or by becoming a td for the Vols.
We signed 32 players which will be an excellent class if 18 or so become starters or key backups. We were never going to end up with 32.
 
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GVF said:
Having it all in one spot would dictate that one must notify all posters of knowledge to repost everything rumor they know of these rumors. Or, one person seeking the meaning of life from the VN posse could just search the rumor mill (threads). Obviously, 99% of the rumors here are not true.
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That's just a rumor! :p
 
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