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Boca Vol said:
As long as the Colts beat the Bears, Manning was getting the MVP for that game.

From a stat perspective, neither Manning win in the SB, are that impressive. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter, he's in the conversation....
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Only stat needed to proclaim Peyton the GOAT: 16
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Not quite understanding how getting to six Super Bowls, but losing twice is somehow worse that only getting to four and never losing.
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Yeah, I'm thinking that the losers of the conference championships would have loved the opportunity lose the super bowl.
 
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99gator said:
I hate having this argument because it's not about dissing Manning, Montana or any other great.

But, What Brady has done and is still doing is beyond compare.

He's not a guy who is still playing and along for the ride. He's 39 and still the best in the business.
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Ergo my earlier comment of hoping I'm alive to see the end of Brady's career.
 
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here are the stats for Manning, Brady and Montana

It should be easy to figure out who is who.

W L Comp Att Comp % Yards TD INT QB RTG
Reg Sea 183-52 5244 8224 63.8 61582 456 152 97,2
Playoffs 25-9 831 1325 62.7 9094 63 31 89.0

W L Comp Att Comp % Yards TD INT QB RTG
Reg Sea 117-47 3409 5391 63.2 40551 273 139 92.3
Playoffs 16-7 460 734 62.7 5772 45 21 95.6

W L Comp Att Comp % Yards TD INT QB RTG
Reg Sea 186-79 6125 9380 65.3 71940 539 251 96.5
Playoffs 14-13 649 1027 63.2 7339 40 25 87.4
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Yeah, I'm thinking that the losers of the conference championships would have loved the opportunity lose the super bowl.
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It's called a winning percentage. Anything other than champion is first loser. Bradshaw 4-0 in Superbowls is 1.000. Brady in Superbowls is 5/7 or 0.7143. Math is hard, m'kay. Brady GOAT QB in Superbowl play? Not if the actual numbers mean anything. No one has lost more Superbowls at the QB position than Brady for an assist. Look I get it, Brady has his fanboys and he has other numbers and areas where is #1. He's a definite HoF QB. GOAT? Not if numbers mean anything.
 
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Remy said:
It's called a winning percentage. Anything other than champion is first loser. Bradshaw 4-0 in Superbowls is 1.000. Brady in Superbowls is 5/7 or 0.7143. Math is hard, m'kay. Brady GOAT QB in Superbowl play? Not if the actual numbers mean anything. No one has lost more Superbowls at the QB position than Brady for an assist. Look I get it, Brady has his fanboys and he has other numbers and areas where is #1. He's a definite HoF QB. GOAT? Not if numbers mean anything.
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Noone has lost more Superbowls at the QB position than Brady? You serious Dude?
 
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For anyone that thinks losing to Superbowls is an indictment on Brady that he isnt the GOAT, consider this..

- only 20 QBs have been to muliptle Superbowls
- only 1 have been to 7 - Brady 5-2
- only 1 have been to 5 - Elway 2-3
- only 5 have been to 4 - Bradshaw 4-0, Montana 4-0, Staubach 2-2, Manning 2-2, Kelly 0-4
- only 5 have been to 3 - Aikman 3-0, Griese 2-1, Roethlisberger 2-1, Warner 1-2, Tarkenton 0-3

Brady has played in more Superbowls than 99% of all QB in NFL history. He has won as many Superbowls than one other QB has ever attempted.

On another note, where the hech is everyone getting this "Only Brady has lost 2 Superbowls" crap from?

Elway 2-3, Staubach 2-2, Manning 2-2, Kelly 0-4, Warner 1-2, Tarkenton 0-3, Morton 0-2
 
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Think of the whole Super Bowl thing this way.....

Brady has started playoff games in 14 different seasons.

His team makes the Super Bowl 50% of the time.
 
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Remy said:
It's called a winning percentage. Anything other than champion is first loser. Bradshaw 4-0 in Superbowls is 1.000. Brady in Superbowls is 5/7 or 0.7143. Math is hard, m'kay. Brady GOAT QB in Superbowl play? Not if the actual numbers mean anything. No one has lost more Superbowls at the QB position than Brady for an assist. Look I get it, Brady has his fanboys and he has other numbers and areas where is #1. He's a definite HoF QB. GOAT? Not if numbers mean anything.
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WTF are you babbling about?

Numbers must not mean much to you if you think 0/4 is better than 5/7 in Super Bowls.

My God the stupid....
 
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Bradshaw and Montana are interchangechable IMO as 1 or 2 GOAT playing QB in 3 or more Superbowls and each having 4-0 records. Brady comes in a solid 3rd at 5/7. I think there is an argument to be made he is the GOAT QB overall, certainly based on numbers. Look his winning %age in Super bowls improved last night, he was sitting at 4/6 or just 2/3 of his SB wins. But GOAT SB QB he is and was not and with two losses will always trail Bradshaw and Montana who can rightfully claim that title IF the numbers actually mean anything to some of you NE fanboys out there. I get it, some of you from my perspective are heavily brain damaged or in lust with Brady. I also get you think in reverse of me and each of us can go to Krystal and still get a burger for less than a $1. I'm for damn sure not changing my mind as I'm sure some of you are as locked in as well.
 
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Remy said:
Bradshaw and Montana are interchangechable IMO as 1 or 2 GOAT playing QB in 3 or more Superbowls and each having 4-0 records. Brady comes in a solid 3rd at 5/7. I think there is an argument to be made he is the GOAT QB overall, certainly based on numbers. Look his winning %age in Super bowls improved last night, he was sitting at 4/6 or just 2/3 of his SB wins. But GOAT SB QB he is and was not and with two losses will always trail Bradshaw and Montana who can rightfully claim that title IF the numbers actually mean anything to some of you NE fanboys out there. I get it, some of you from my perspective are heavily brain damaged or in lust with Brady. I also get you think in reverse of me and each of us can go to Krystal and still get a burger for less than a $1. I'm for damn sure not changing my mind as I'm sure some of you are as locked in as well.
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Well i disagree, and hate New England. I was going to commend you on a good write up although i disagree, but then you go insulting everyone. But your argument is alot better than people saying its Manning with the only justification being go vols.
I love Vols football and i try to keep up with some former players like Manning and Berry and others, but when it comes to the NFL im 100% Titans fan, dont like any other teams. Good arguments can be made for Brady, Montana, Bradshaw, Unitas and a few others. Maybe even Archie Manning, if you just going on ability, although he played on a good awful team. But my favorite QB on the field will always be Air McNair.
 
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Remy said:
Bradshaw and Montana are interchangechable IMO as 1 or 2 GOAT playing QB in 3 or more Superbowls and each having 4-0 records. Brady comes in a solid 3rd at 5/7. I think there is an argument to be made he is the GOAT QB overall, certainly based on numbers. Look his winning %age in Super bowls improved last night, he was sitting at 4/6 or just 2/3 of his SB wins. But GOAT SB QB he is and was not and with two losses will always trail Bradshaw and Montana who can rightfully claim that title IF the numbers actually mean anything to some of you NE fanboys out there. I get it, some of you from my perspective are heavily brain damaged or in lust with Brady. I also get you think in reverse of me and each of us can go to Krystal and still get a burger for less than a $1. I'm for damn sure not changing my mind as I'm sure some of you are as locked in as well.
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If you're going full stupid, then Aikman is 3-0 so why aren't you putting him ahead of Brady since he's also at 100%? What about Eli Manning, he's 2-0. What about all the ones at 1-0? I mean it's about percentages, right?

I guess someone needs to break it to John Elway what a miserable failure he is since he has a subpar .400 SB winning percentage.
 
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Remy said:
It's called a winning percentage. Anything other than champion is first loser. Bradshaw 4-0 in Superbowls is 1.000. Brady in Superbowls is 5/7 or 0.7143. Math is hard, m'kay. Brady GOAT QB in Superbowl play? Not if the actual numbers mean anything. No one has lost more Superbowls at the QB position than Brady for an assist. Look I get it, Brady has his fanboys and he has other numbers and areas where is #1. He's a definite HoF QB. GOAT? Not if numbers mean anything.
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Also, this pretty much ruins you trying to take some high ground with numbers. Jim Kelly, Fran Tarkenton, John Elway, and Peyton Manning all say hi.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Fair enough.

To be honest I think the idea of a GOAT is kind of silly anyway. Too many factors to consider, to many what ifs, different eras, etc. I think at least a good 5 QBs could lay a claim to it if not more, and in the end they're all great so who really cares. I doubt any of them lose sleep over it.
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As is true with any sport it's all a matter of opinion. It does make for some great conversation.
 
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#545
Brady's the goat and anyone that doesn't think so is jealous or fooling themselves. Look at the average talent he's had on offense his career (brief time with Randy Moss aside).

They keep changing out slow average WRs and undrafted RBs and he keeps clicking.

The way he trains, eats, stretches, etc...Many think that barring injury he'll play well into his 40s. If he's competitive to age 41-43ish then he'll possibly hold records that will stand forever.
 
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99gator said:
here are the stats for Manning, Brady and Montana

It should be easy to figure out who is who.

W L Comp Att Comp % Yards TD INT QB RTG
Reg Sea 183-52 5244 8224 63.8 61582 456 152 97,2
Playoffs 25-9 831 1325 62.7 9094 63 31 89.0

W L Comp Att Comp % Yards TD INT QB RTG
Reg Sea 117-47 3409 5391 63.2 40551 273 139 92.3
Playoffs 16-7 460 734 62.7 5772 45 21 95.6

W L Comp Att Comp % Yards TD INT QB RTG
Reg Sea 186-79 6125 9380 65.3 71940 539 251 96.5
Playoffs 14-13 649 1027 63.2 7339 40 25 87.4
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Pretty close, at least in the postseason.
 
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