OC Coordinator ?

#76
#76
so 4 players -- that should solve it all
Huh? You do realize that is two 5 star linemen, plus two four star linemen. Add the fact that the rest of the line will have another year in the system and another year with a great S&C coach. We could also be looking at the return of the starting center and with the potential that Trey Smith's health issues will be better. We have the potential for a incredible jump in the talent level. How many recruits were you expecting?
 
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#78
#78
I agree for the most part. If healthy, Chandler should play the most with Jordan coming in to give him a break. I like the potential with Chandler and Jordan. London can provide a few snaps if needed. I like Banks' energy, but he's a threat to fumble at any time.

Banks, fils-aime, and Jordan are all better than London. Fils aime should see more carries.
 
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#83
#83
You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.It's still about blocking and tackling!!!!
 
#84
#84
That is not correct. See box score of USCe , or Auburn . This is a necessary approach to slow the pass rush. If the offensive line is bad on a neutral pass rush , they will be beyond horrible if the defense is all out pass rushing. They balance the play calling very well with inside rushes , outside rushes, outside passes. The problem that the protection gives in terms of routes is pretty simple. Multi direction routes, come back , deep level routes, stop and goes , inside outs, outside ins , all take to long to develop compared to our blocking. Defenses are sitting on the few routes we can throw. So JG can hit the third and long regularly. Its because the safeties are playing high on third and long and the middle of the box is open. It is not open on 1st or 2nd, as a safety is creeping in.

You have to have protection on 1st down to pass. You have to have protection to develop complex routes that will allow separation, we are sadly only able to run one cut routes due to protection. You have to run to the edges as well as up the middle to offset a pass rush. If you don't , then it is only a matter of time before you cant pass.

If we pass on 1st down , all we have is the 50/50 ball and the outside passes . The 50/50 is low percentage and high risk. The outside is high percentage but low reward. The interior run has sustained numerous drives and did especially well against USCe and Auburn . Going pass happy especially on 1st down will be guaranteed incompletions, INTs, and , JG leaving on a stretcher
I agree with almost nothing you say here. First of all, if you've got box scores that tell me what our first down inside runs did, I'd like to see them. (Which is the only thing my previous post addressed.) Next: if you're seeing "balanced play calling", we're clearly watching different games. Our primary first down calls are inside runs and behind-the-line passes. When we do run outside, it works way better than the inside runs; first down throws across the middle have worked well, but we rarely call them. In fact, the middle patterns seem to be open most of the time, but we rarely throw those. And, nobody has said "pass happy"; we're just tired of the unimaginative predictability, and of continuing to run plays that didn't work the first dozen times we called them and not calling plays that have worked a very high percentage of time we've run them. (As an example: the TD to Chandler down the seam might not work every time, but to never run it again is preposterous.) We only have "the 50/50 ball and the outside passes" out of choice, not necessity. It's true that our offensive line stinks, which does limit play selection, but a great offensive co-ordinator can, to some extent, work around that. Great play calling keeps the defense off balance; with our play calling, the defensive co-ordinators might as well be calling the plays.
 
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#85
#85
As much as each of us at volnation want Trey back next year,his health is utmost import. I have to take anticoag meds,there was a commercial about a race car driver taking coumadin(anti-coag med),he cannot race while on it because you should see hpw easily you bleed.Tissue thin skin,rub against something wrong,you bleed.Best for us to pray fpr Trey's good health and ,if possible,a return to the field.
 
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I agree with almost nothing you say here. First of all, if you've got box scores that tell me what our first down inside runs did, I'd like to see them. (Which is the only thing my previous post addressed.) Next: if you're seeing "balanced play calling", we're clearly watching different games. Our primary first down calls are inside runs and behind-the-line passes. When we do run outside, it works way better than the inside runs; first down throws across the middle have worked well, but we rarely call them. In fact, the middle patterns seem to be open most of the time, but we rarely throw those. And, nobody has said "pass happy"; we're just tired of the unimaginative predictability, and of continuing to run plays that didn't work the first dozen times we called them and not calling plays that have worked a very high percentage of time we've run them. (As an example: the TD to Chandler down the seam might not work every time, but to never run it again is preposterous.) We only have "the 50/50 ball and the outside passes" out of choice, not necessity. It's true that our offensive line stinks, which does limit play selection, but a great offensive co-ordinator can, to some extent, work around that. Great play calling keeps the defense off balance; with our play calling, the defensive co-ordinators might as well be calling the plays.

I think if you take a look at the USCe game play by play : Tennessee vs. South Carolina - Play-By-Play - October 27, 2018 - ESPN

They ran most of the time on 1st down , but with a very high degree of success. JG only connected on some short passes successfully on first down but was inconsistent. My point illustrated , no time for route development . On the day it was 39 passing attempts to 34 rushing attempts. They are balanced and attempt to be very multiple. There is inside running , outside running, short , outside passes, I form , 4 wide , play action. They are not good running between the tackles consistently, they are not good passing the ball beyond 6 yards. So what to do . The middle passes are only an option when there is no safety in the box , regardless of down . 50 /50 balls are a symptom of no route development , thrown well early in most cases. The outside passes are a variant on our running game .

Again , the middle runs have to continue . This is virtually the only chance our offensive line , namely the center, has to keep from officially becoming a turnstile.

When a QB can only hit 6 yard or below passes due to constant pressure, when there is no time to develop complex or deep routes, and the defense is dictating to you based on safety depth , and you are attacking every area of the field that you can …..maybe an OC can call a play and magically instruct the Oline to hold their block and JG to complete the pass. The reliance on the running game is natural as there is not much else that can be done.

Disagree all you want. There is no time to get down field, throw early and hope for the jump ball. Can only go over the middle when the safeties say you can ...why would they play a shade when there is no time for the route to go deep. TE has to stay in and block , running back has to stay in and block - sneak him out at risk of getting your QB killed. Run out side some and throw outside some. Run up the middle . There aren't any other choices. The offense is balanced as I have noted.
 
#92
#92
demoting Tee Martin helped USC already -- and answer for # 2 Kifffin was always on the sideline at Alabama -- as are all their OCs, remember Pruitt has to be like Alabama

It's so Saban can overrule/yell at them face to face.
 
#93
#93
1- He calls plays to the right side... and to the left. But there's only so much he can do with a OL that can't block, middling RB's, and a QB that doesn't know how to read D's and make the right calls at the line.

2- Pruitt told him to coach from the sideline so he could directly relate to and coach the players. IOW's, they've been so poorly coached in the past that it is necessary to coach them up on the sidelines during games.

3- Hard to say. There's a decent chance though that he chooses NOT to risk his career waiting on more talent than Pruitt fires him knowing he has little chance of getting anyone as good to coach such a poor offensive roster.


regarding #2...when will you guys stop with the childish and silly bashing of the last staff? Is poor coaching why Saban keeps their OC on the sideine?
Probabaly not.
 
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#94
#94
With the way they have played this year, anybody has a chance.

I could see all these guys contributing next year:
Morris (assuming we keep him)
Wright (assuming we get him)
Lampley
Carvin
J Johnson
R Johnson
Richmond
Niehaus
Tatum
Kennedy
Locklear

Why would Richmond be considered a contributor? He hasn't contributed much of anything in the entire time he has been here. He has been beaten on the line more than anyone. He was an overrated recruit and either won't take development or can't be developed.
 
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#95
#95
He will play significant snaps. Kid had a bad game this week, but he has been progressing. It happens.
 
#96
#96
1. Why does he constantly call plays to the left side? Pretty predictable.

2. Why is he on the side-line ?

3. How much longer will he be the OC ?
You can't call many playes when the O-line cant block anyone.
 
#97
#97
Thanks for that but my only hesitation with thinking this is immediate help is that they are young pups. So while we get much needed depth they still need to grow in the strength and conditioning program, get acclimated to college, and more accustomed to the SEC style. But it is much welcomed help at this point.
We may be able to get a grad transfer again similiar to B.Kennedy. That'll add more depth. Carvin and both Johnsons, C.Hall, should play better next year,IMO.
 
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1- He calls plays to the right side... and to the left. But there's only so much he can do with a OL that can't block, middling RB's, and a QB that doesn't know how to read D's and make the right calls at the line.

2- Pruitt told him to coach from the sideline so he could directly relate to and coach the players. IOW's, they've been so poorly coached in the past that it is necessary to coach them up on the sidelines during games.

3- Hard to say. There's a decent chance though that he chooses NOT to risk his career waiting on more talent than Pruitt fires him knowing he has little chance of getting anyone as good to coach such a poor offensive roster.
This post is based on to many facts and makes to much sense
 
#99
#99
regarding #2...when will you guys stop with the childish and silly bashing of the last staff? Is poor coaching why Saban keeps their OC on the sideine?
Probabaly not.
Not bashing this staff. The previous staff and particularly Jones... deserve far more "bashing" than they got while here or have gotten since they were fired. I don't know if they're better or will succeed but the current staff is definitely trying to clean up the mess created by Jones' arrogant incompetence.
 
Not bashing this staff. The previous staff and particularly Jones... deserve far more "bashing" than they got while here or have gotten since they were fired. I don't know if they're better or will succeed but the current staff is definitely trying to clean up the mess created by Jones' arrogant incompetence.
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