Obama National Prayer comments

[theFallGuy]

At the National Prayer Breakfast, President Obama reminded attendees that violence rooted in religion isn’t exclusive to Islam, but has been carried out by Christians as well.

Obama said that even though religion is a source for good around the world, there will always be people willing to “hijack religion for their own murderous ends.”

“Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ,” Obama said. “In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.”

Obama also denounced Islamic State terrorists for professing to stand up for Islam when they were actually “betraying it.”

“We see ISIL, a brutal vicious death cult that in the name of religion carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism,” he said criticizing them for “claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.”

So what exactly is he saying? We can't find a way to deal with ISIS right now because of something that happened in the Middle Ages? Or is he defending ISIS because of Jim Crow laws we had post-Reconstruction?

 

[Carl Pickens]

At the National Prayer Breakfast, President Obama reminded attendees that violence rooted in religion isn’t exclusive to Islam, but has been carried out by Christians as well.

Obama said that even though religion is a source for good around the world, there will always be people willing to “hijack religion for their own murderous ends.”

“Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ,” Obama said. “In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.”

Obama also denounced Islamic State terrorists for professing to stand up for Islam when they were actually “betraying it.”

“We see ISIL, a brutal vicious death cult that in the name of religion carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism,” he said criticizing them for “claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.”

So what exactly is he saying? We can't find a way to deal with ISIS right now because of something that happened in the Middle Ages? Or is he defending ISIS because of Jim Crow laws we had post-Reconstruction?

He is saying he's a dumb ace without saying it directly

 

[Dave1967]

Barry Soetaro is an anti Christian bigot but what would you expect from a Muslim. Being a Marxist doesn't help either since they've always been anti religion since the beginning.

 

[joevol33]

He's just got to find a way to bash Christians. Really bring up the crusades to ease what isis is doing? I'm sorry, I want to have respect for the president, but he's a piece of crap.

 

[davethevol]

He's made more derogatory comments against Christianity than he has Islam. Remember when he was running for office and mocked Southerners that cling to their guns and bibles?

 

[volfanjustin]

He sounds like some who post on VN

 

[joevol33]

He's made more derogatory comments against Christianity than he has Islam. Remember when he was running for office and mocked Southerners that cling to their guns and bibles?

I do, that's what bothers me with him. Its like he wants to offend Christians and Americans.

 

[Septic]

Barry Soetaro is an anti Christian bigot but what would you expect from a Muslim. Being a Marxist doesn't help either since they've always been anti religion since the beginning.

That's a shallow understanding of a deeper issue.

His comments actually undermine what he's long been saying, that is - that these terror organizations (like ISIS) are not representative of Islam. And he was right, in the same respects as Westboro isn't representative of Christianity.

Without realizing it, you've missed the nuance that reveals him not being anti Christian, but rather including ISIS within Islam. Not exactly what the Muslims would like to see I'm sure.

Personally, I don't believe ISIS is anything more than a political terror group hiding behind the banner of religion.

 

[davethevol]

“In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.”

I didn't know that Kenya had Jim Crow laws.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

That's a shallow understanding of a deeper issue.

His comments actually undermine what he's long been saying, that is - that these terror organizations (like ISIS) are not representative of Islam. And he was right, in the same respects as Westboro isn't representative of Christianity.

Without realizing it, you've missed the nuance that reveals him not being anti Christian, but rather including ISIS within Islam. Not exactly what the Muslims would like to see I'm sure.

Personally, I don't believe ISIS is anything more than a political terror group hiding behind the banner of religion.

If you think it was lost on us, then I guarantee you it was lost on his voting base.

Subtlety is not needed anymore. We need a decisive leader. This assclown is not even close

 

[theFallGuy]

That's a shallow understanding of a deeper issue.

His comments actually undermine what he's long been saying, that is - that these terror organizations (like ISIS) are not representative of Islam. And he was right, in the same respects as Westboro isn't representative of Christianity.

Without realizing it, you've missed the nuance that reveals him not being anti Christian, but rather including ISIS within Islam. Not exactly what the Muslims would like to see I'm sure.

Personally, I don't believe ISIS is anything more than a political terror group hiding behind the banner of religion.

That might very well be the case but we are talking about a group that is committing atrocities here today right now. Westboro Baptist isn't cutting heads off and lighting people on fire. They are just an ignorant group that basically gets no support from anyone in the christian community that I've ever heard of. When they start violently attacking people I will be the first to say we will drone their asses.

 

[joevol33]

That's a shallow understanding of a deeper issue.

His comments actually undermine what he's long been saying, that is - that these terror organizations (like ISIS) are not representative of Islam. And he was right, in the same respects as Westboro isn't representative of Christianity.

Without realizing it, you've missed the nuance that reveals him not being anti Christian, but rather including ISIS within Islam. Not exactly what the Muslims would like to see I'm sure.

Personally, I don't believe ISIS is anything more than a political terror group hiding behind the banner of religion.

I'm not saying all muslims are bad, but do you know any? Ever talked religion with any? I hdo, and I have, they may not all be isis, but the majority of them believe in "death to America". They have a hate for anyone who isn't Muslim. I can't speak for the middle ages and the crusades, but the majority of Christians today preach love for everybody. I know they stand against some issues, as do I, but I love even those I disagree with. You can not believe in God and I'll treat you no different, go to the middle east and tell them you don't believe in Allah. They're not like Christians, even the moderate ones.

 

[joevol33]

*and I know there are some idiots who call themselves Christians, but the majority aren't like them.

 

[Dave1967]

That's a shallow understanding of a deeper issue.

His comments actually undermine what he's long been saying, that is - that these terror organizations (like ISIS) are not representative of Islam. And he was right, in the same respects as Westboro isn't representative of Christianity.

Without realizing it, you've missed the nuance that reveals him not being anti Christian, but rather including ISIS within Islam. Not exactly what the Muslims would like to see I'm sure.

Personally, I don't believe ISIS is anything more than a political terror group hiding behind the banner of religion.[/QUOTE/]

With how weak a leader Barry is and how little actual support he'll probably send,I'll put my money on ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

 

[golfballs]

He's right that terrible things have been done in the name of Christ.

But is that really his message when we're confronted with the evil things ISIS is doing??

He's a pathetic apologist

 

[Dave1967]

He's right that terrible things have been done in the name of Christ.

But is that really his message when we're confronted with the evil things ISIS is doing??

He's a pathetic apologist

He'll never say anything positive about Christians or Christianity. I would never expect that out of a Marxist Muslim.

 

[#VFL__]

He's right that terrible things have been done in the name of Christ.

But is that really his message when we're confronted with the evil things ISIS is doing??

He's a pathetic apologist

Doesn't he order our AF to bomb the **** out of them? I think he is just trying to hold off an all out war on a religion. I guess we all have opinions.

 

[davethevol]

Doesn't he order our AF to bomb the **** out of them? I think he is just trying to hold off an all out war on a religion. I guess we all have opinions.

I think the CIA does most of the bombing, and after they got caught spying on Congress with no punishment, it's pretty clear no one tells the CIA to do anything.

 

[#VFL__]

He'll never say anything positive about Christians or Christianity. I would never expect that out of a Marxist Muslim.

Aw Dave, go outside and play. I think you need it.

 

[golfballs]

Doesn't he order our AF to bomb the **** out of them? I think he is just trying to hold off an all out war on a religion. I guess we all have opinions.

Then what's the point in bringing it up at all?

 

[Dave1967]

Then what's the point in bringing it up at all?

I'm against Barry supposidly trying to protect the Muslim Religion because a huge amount of Muslims around the world(including ISIS) want Christians dead.

 

[37L1]

What did you expect.

Every circus needs a clown, we've got ours.

 

[n_huffhines]

So what exactly is he saying? We can't find a way to deal with ISIS right now because of something that happened in the Middle Ages? Or is he defending ISIS because of Jim Crow laws we had post-Reconstruction?

I think it's important to accept these facts so that we can better interpret and manage the events of today. If slavery was practiced by Christians, and now it's viewed as an evil practice by Christians, what changed? We became better, more righteous, and it wasn't really based on religion? I argue it's because we got wealthier and more educated. What's the answer to defeating radical and violent Islam? Education and wealth, IMO. When the population as a whole values their own lives more, they will start to value the lives of others, too. We've had Christian terrorism here, but it got less problematic as we got smarter and richer.

So what do I draw from that? Lift sanctions. Trade and communicate as much as possible. It won't give us results today, but neither is the war on terror. It seems to be getting worse.

 

[#VFL__]

I think it's important to accept these facts so that we can better interpret and manage the events of today. If slavery was practiced by Christians, and now it's viewed as an evil practice by Christians, what changed? We became better, more righteous, and it wasn't really based on religion? I argue it's because we got wealthier and more educated. What's the answer to defeating radical and violent Islam? Education and wealth, IMO. When the population as a whole values their own lives more, they will start to value the lives of others, too. We've had Christian terrorism here, but it got less problematic as we got smarter and richer.

So what do I draw from that? Lift sanctions. Trade and communicate as much as possible. It won't give us results today, but neither is the war on terror. It seems to be getting worse.

Great viewpoint.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I think it's important to accept these facts so that we can better interpret and manage the events of today. If slavery was practiced by Christians, and now it's viewed as an evil practice by Christians, what changed? We became better, more righteous, and it wasn't really based on religion? I argue it's because we got wealthier and more educated. What's the answer to defeating radical and violent Islam? Education and wealth, IMO. When the population as a whole values their own lives more, they will start to value the lives of others, too. We've had Christian terrorism here, but it got less problematic as we got smarter and richer.

So what do I draw from that? Lift sanctions. Trade and communicate as much as possible. It won't give us results today, but neither is the war on terror. It seems to be getting worse.

Islam has wealth. billions of dollars. They eschew education.

To equate the Christianity of a thousand years ago to the Islam of today in ANY form is disingenuous at best, and makes the one making the argument look really stupid. I'll try to come up with an analogy that is as idiotic and I'll get back to you.