Obama National Prayer comments

#51
#51
n_huffhines said:
Actually, sanctions crippled the German economy, which is what allowed Hitler to rally people against the rest of Europe and take political control, so yeah...free trade would have stopped the Nazis before they were ever a thing.
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But they did become a thing, and you think free trade and open dialogue would still defeat them?
 
#52
#52
hog88 said:
I don't really know if there is a sure fire answer. I have some ideas that I'd like to see tried.

1) become energy independent to the point of being a world supplier
2) abandon the ME, keep relations with friendly countries but no more support for countries like SA
3) let it be know we will no longer be arming Israel but will come to their defense if attacked
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1) What impact will that have on radical Islam? They'll still have plenty of funding, IMO.
2) Yes!
3) Interesting, but I cannot agree with entangling alliances. That kind of talk emboldens Israel to act out, instead of playing their hand conservatively.
 
#54
#54
golfballs said:
But they did become a thing, and you think free trade and open dialogue would still defeat them?
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No. It was too late at that point. Why are you asking me this?

I don't see the connection you are making with the German government waging war and Muslim individuals committing acts of terror.
 
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#55
#55
n_huffhines said:
1) What impact will that have on radical Islam? They'll still have plenty of funding, IMO.
2) Yes!
3) Interesting, but I cannot agree with entangling alliances. That kind of talk emboldens Israel to act out, instead of playing their hand conservatively.
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1) It frees us from being in bed with the likes of SA.
2) glad we agree.
3) Our alliance with Israel would almost mirror that of NATO. How would that embolden them?
 
#56
#56
hog88 said:
1) It frees us from being in bed with the likes of SA.
2) glad we agree.
3) Our alliance with Israel would almost mirror that of NATO. How would that embolden them?
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How would it not? I'm an older brother. My little brother acted tougher towards others when I was around.
 
#57
#57
n_huffhines said:
How many countries does have to bomb before you think he's tough on terrorism?
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lobbing bombs at "supposed" targets is not enough. I don't think we have a clear strategy on what we are doing at all about terrorism and I think there is confusion about what exactly our foreign policy is in that region. And what really gets me is how he gets in front of the camera and acts like terrorism is over and the world is a great place. :crazy:
 
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#58
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n_huffhines said:
No. It was too late at that point. Why are you asking me this?

I don't see the connection you are making with the German government waging war and Muslim individuals committing acts of terror.
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Likewise it's too late to wave the wand of free markets and education over ISIS.
 
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#59
#59
W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Yes and I hope you don't screw it up...:toast:
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Don't worry, I think all the bases have been covered.

Obama is

*a Muslim
*a Christian hater
*a Marxist
*a bigot
*a h8r
*anti American
*Barry soetoro
*a Kenyan
*literally ebola
*gay as hell

Has someone mentioned gay as hell yet? If not, there's my contribution. :)
 
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golfballs said:
Likewise it's too late to wave the wand of free markets and education over ISIS.
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I'm not saying free trade and education will stop ISIS today. Improvements in wealth and education didn't immediately stop the KKK, but eventually we got too rich and too smart for the KKK to recruit and really pose any threat.

Educate and enrich the masses, and ISIS and all the other factions will have a much harder time.

Fighting terror head on might give us some immediate results, but it will never give us permanent results. Wealth and education will give us permanent results.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Don't worry, I think all the bases have been covered.

Obama is

*a Muslim
*a Christian hater
*a Marxist
*a bigot
*a h8r
*anti American
*Barry soetoro
*a Kenyan
*literally ebola
*gay as hell

Has someone mentioned gay as hell yet? If not, there's my contribution. :)
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Islamic terrorism does not implicate Islam, but the Crusades from 1000 years ago do implicate Christianity? Got it.

People don't understand that there is no really solid concept of separation of mosque and state in Islam. Secularism is an unusual concept to Muslims in the Middle East, and it is further eroded in places like Turkey by tools like Erdogan.

In fact, secularism and the separation of religious and worldly powers is a Christian concept, which is why it was able to adapt and ultimately de-fang the base instincts of Christendom.

Islam must change, or we will move headlong into a true war between the West and Muslim world in the future. It is inevitable.
 
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#63
#63
MercyPercy said:
Don't worry, I think all the bases have been covered.

Obama is

*a Muslim
*a Christian hater
*a Marxist
*a bigot
*a h8r
*anti American
*Barry soetoro
*a Kenyan
*literally ebola
*gay as hell

Has someone mentioned gay as hell yet? If not, there's my contribution. :)
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:birgits_giggle: yep, that's putting it all in a nutshell.....good job sparky.
 
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JoeKyleVol said:
Islamic terrorism does not implicate Islam, but the Crusades from 1000 years ago do implicate Christianity? Got it.

People don't understand that there is no really solid concept of separation of mosque and state in Islam. Secularism is an unusual concept to Muslims in the Middle East, and it is further eroded in places like Turkey by tools like Erdogan.

In fact, secularism and the separation of religious and worldly powers is a Christian concept, which is why it was able to adapt and ultimately de-fang the base instincts of Christendom.

Islam must change, or we will move headlong into a true war between the West and Muslim world in the future. It is inevitable.
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So, is Islam immune to Westernization? Can Muslims not reform? The Jews have done it. Christianity has done it multiple times. Given the young age of Islam in comparison to those two religions, is it already time to write off the culture (as a whole) as a threat that must be dealt with now?

I'm asking these question with sincerity because I've known many American born/raised Muslims who are good people. They don't follow every word of the Quran, just as most American Christians disregard 99% of the laws and tenets in the OT which, by the way, I don't see as bastardization. I see THAT as reformation and progression.
 
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#66
#66
n_huffhines said:
Why are you looking for government to lead the way in social change? You are not going to get good results, whether you are in America or Iran. Change has to occur among the masses, then government follows.

Can you think of anything that government condemned and then the people were like, "Oh yeah, they make a good point. I'll change."

Government is just a reflection of the people.
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I'm saying it can't be done as long as governments like Iran and Saudi Arabia still have power. They give the funding to the extremists and are extremists themselves. The Imams are just pawns.
 
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#67
DinkinFlicka said:
So, is Islam immune to Westernization? Can Muslims not reform? The Jews have done it. Christianity has done it multiple times. Given the young age of Islam in comparison to those two religions, is it already time to write off the culture (as a whole) as a threat that must be dealt with now?

I'm asking these question with sincerity because I've known many American born/raised Muslims who are good people. They don't follow every word of the Quran, just as most American Christians disregard 99% of the laws and tenets in the OT which, by the way, I don't see as bastardization. I see THAT as reformation and progression.
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Muslim people are not the enemy. The enemy is Islamic religion intransigent to changing for the modern world.

Liberal Islam is perfectly acceptable in the modern world, but "moderate" Islam simply hasn't gone far enough in modernization yet, and that is the shade of Islam which is most prominent.

Majority Muslim countries, particularly in the Middle East, still abide by some very unjust and inhumane laws which severely limit the freedom of women, non-Muslims, de-converts from Islam, homosexuals, etc. Yet, those are "moderate" Muslim countries.

Muslim people are not the enemy. Islamic orthodoxy and orthopraxy, however, still pose a danger to the Western world.
 
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JoeKyleVol said:
Muslim people are not the enemy. The enemy is Islamic religion intransigent to changing for the modern world.

Liberal Islam is perfectly acceptable in the modern world, but "moderate" Islam simply hasn't gone far enough in modernization yet, and that is the shade of Islam which is most prominent.

Majority Muslim countries, particularly in the Middle East, still abide by some very unjust and inhumane laws which severely limit the freedom of women, non-Muslims, de-converts from Islam, homosexuals, etc. Yet, those are "moderate" Muslim countries.

Muslim people are not the enemy. Islamic orthodoxy and orthopraxy, however, still pose a danger to the Western world.
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To be fair, "Moderate" Christianity was pretty terrifying at this point 600 years ago.
 
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#72
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hog88 said:
Israel is lesser in your eyes? An allied nation is an allied nation.
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I want entangling alliances with none. But now that you mention it, Israel causes me a lot more worry than France does. I don't know what we get out of our relationship with Israel. Should we be very good friends. Yes. Allies? We get nothing in return.
 
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#73
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n_huffhines said:
I want entangling alliances with none. But now that you mention it, Israel causes me a lot more worry than France does. I don't know what we get out of our relationship with Israel. Should we be very good friends. Yes. Allies? We get nothing in return.
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We get nothing in return from any of our Western European "allies".
 
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#74
#74
hog88 said:
We get nothing in return from any of our Western European "allies".
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:yes:

n_huffhines said:
I want entangling alliances with none. But now that you mention it, Israel causes me a lot more worry than France does. I don't know what we get out of our relationship with Israel. Should we be very good friends. Yes. Allies? We get nothing in return.
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