Obama is wrong

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lawgator1 said:
I think he is being duped by the Pentagon and those who will benefit from it when it happens. Either that or he has been convinced by the national security team that we are going to have to go in, and this is how they are going to create the scenario to do it.
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I don't think he intends to create a scenario to "go in."

More likely he wants to run out the clock on his term and this seems like the least risky path to do so.

Do just enough to keep the place from melting down with a minimal U.S. footprint.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Tell you what, I wouldn't want to be one of the 450 selected.
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I would. I would love to visit Ramadi especially in the Summer, it's the jewel of the Middle East. I would love to meet the interesting people of an ancient culture... and kill them. I would try to be the first guy on my block with a confirmed kill.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I don't think he intends to create a scenario to "go in."

More likely he wants to run out the clock on his term and this seems like the least risky path to do so.

Do just enough to keep the place from melting down with a minimal U.S. footprint.
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It will melt down, before Obama leaves office. ISIS will be in Baghdad within a year.

I agree 100% with your second statement. He's kicking the can down the road.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I would. I would love to visit Ramadi especially in the Summer, it's the jewel of the Middle East. I would love to meet the interesting people of an ancient culture... and kill them. I would try to be the first guy on my block with a confirmed kill.
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:rock: Well, all righty then....in my best Jim Carey voice.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think he is being duped by the Pentagon and those who will benefit from it when it happens. Either that or he has been convinced by the national security team that we are going to have to go in, and this is how they are going to create the scenario to do it.

Putting 500 guys, give or take, right smack dab in an area heavily occupied or at least infiltrated by ISIS is literally putting them there with a target on their backs.

Either way, its foolish, in my opinion. Whatever disagreements we may have about whose fault it is, or in what proportion, anybody who thinks Iraq is going to be salvaged by sending 450 additional trainers is delusional.
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You do so well then as another said "you pooped the floor".

He's the POTUS yet he's being duped? So again the results will not be his fault.

How about the real reason? Which is he nor anyone in his administration has a clue what to do and his legacy is more important than doing what needs to be done.
 
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hog88 said:
You do so well then as another said "you pooped the floor".

He's the POTUS yet he's being duped? So again the results will not be his fault.

How about the real reason? Which is he nor anyone in his administration has a clue what to do and his legacy is more important than doing what needs to be done.
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It's his mistake to make, and he's making it.

Iraq is a lost cause. Has been for 11 years. Going back in to take on ISIS is throwing more good money, and lives, after bad.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It's his mistake to make, and he's making it.

Iraq is a lost cause. Has been for 11 years. Going back in to take on ISIS is throwing more good money, and lives, after bad.
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We don't have to go back in with ground troops outside of a few SOs for ground control.
 
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I think the only way their will be peace in Iraq is to divide it into 3 nations and let each group govern themselves.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
Because the emperor would never authorize it.
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You make no sense. He's plopping 450 targets right in the middle of the fray. What's the political difference between that and what you suggest? None.

This "all we need is people pointing lasers" garbage is nonsense. The Iraqis could do that. Plus, as I say, why say ok to 450 trainers and no to laser guys if it's a political worry?

To be clear, I'm as against the former as I am the latter. I do think this is a prelude to many, many thousands going in... Once the inevitable attack on the 450 occurs.
 
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hog88 said:
Do what we should have done from the get go. Back Assad and send in SO observer controllers to rain holy hell down on ISIS in support of Syrian and Iraqi ground troops.
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What like take out TV ads? Or have you been hiding in the room during NSC meetings to know that. They haven't been?
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I'm sure we are more involved at those levels than we know. I just, in the end, think the fundamental problem of a lack of will on the part of the Iraqis is not fixable. At least not by us.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You make no sense. He's plopping 450 targets right in the middle of the fray. What's the political difference between that and what you suggest? None.

This "all we need is people pointing lasers" garbage is nonsense. The Iraqis could do that. Plus, as I say, why say ok to 450 trainers and no to laser guys if it's a political worry?

To be clear, I'm as against the former as I am the latter. I do think this is a prelude to many, many thousands going in... Once the inevitable attack on the 450 occurs.
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At least it's some form of a strategy, something the supreme leader is devoid of, and I'm not surprised it doesn't resonate with you. If the dumbass had left enough troops there we wouldn't be discussing this..
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I would. I would love to visit Ramadi especially in the Summer, it's the jewel of the Middle East. I would love to meet the interesting people of an ancient culture... and kill them. I would try to be the first guy on my block with a confirmed kill.
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What's your major malfunction numbnuts?
 
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FLVOL69 said:
At least it's some form of a strategy, something the supreme leader is devoid of, and I'm not surprised it doesn't resonate with you. If the dumbass had left enough troops there we wouldn't be discussing this..
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If we had left more troops we'd just have more dead Americans. And even if 10,000 slowed ISIS, for how long do we just sit there and defend a country that can't remotely field a military of its own?

Quit trying to blame Obama for the original problem. It's a terrible argument.

And anyway, the issue now is that we are fixing to get sucked right back in. Count me out.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If we had left more troops we'd just have more dead Americans. And even if 10,000 slowed ISIS, for how long do we just sit there and defend a country that can't remotely field a military of its own?

Quit trying to blame Obama for the original problem. It's a terrible argument.

And anyway, the issue now is that we are fixing to get sucked right back in. Count me out.
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You've got a selective memory there chief, your guy was taking all the credit in 2012 for a relatively stable Iraq. As soon as the troops were all gone the various factions united and became Isis , then a scant three years later all our accomplishments are for nothing, you're damn right I blame his arrogant ass for firing generals and not listening to the people who know how to succeed . What a ****ing puss who after all this time still admittedly hasn't got a ****ing clue..
 
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FLVOL69 said:
You've got a selective memory there chief, your guy was taking all the credit in 2012 for a relatively stable Iraq. As soon as the troops were all gone the various factions united and became Isis , then a scant three years later all our accomplishments are for nothing, you're damn right I blame his arrogant ass for firing generals and not listening to the people who know how to succeed . What a ****ing puss who after all this time still admittedly hasn't got a ****ing clue..
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Your partisanship is just too thick to have a reasonable conversation so I'll just ignore you itt from here on.
 
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