Obama Continues to Repeal Obamacare

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utvolpj said:
I don't see those as only applying to the current Pres. Why decide to set the line now?
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I agree with the first part.

When can the line be set? Or can it be set at this point (or any point in the future) since it hasn't been in the past.
 
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utvolpj said:
and what made you decide now is the time it needs to end? Were you calling for impeachment in 2007?

if the current reps are not doing their duty are you starting local movements to have them removed/replaced? Surely you aren't just letting them get by without doing their duty
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Because Obama' instead of taking a small slice of cake, decided to take it all

As for Bush, I wasn't a member of this board then or you would have heard me throw a tantrum at the Patriot Act, the true beginning of the infringement on our rights. The Pandora's Box that is allowing for a lot of this BS we see now.

Additionally, Obama has taken to the Executive Order BS in full Stalinist fashion and with a stroke of his pen, decided that he knows what's best for every single American.
 
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Gramps said:
Go back and look through the threads, there was support for delays. It will not be fully repealed. Many in the GOP are calling for it to be "fixed". That is the smart move to make.
The GOP listened to Cruz for a short time and it backfired on them. Cruz is one of the members that does make the GOP look like the stupid party. Many of his colleagues have wisely turned their backs on Cruz.
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But Gramps it isn't being delayed - it is selectively delayed for political expediency.

It is crass political maneuvering and I've got zero respect for that.

The entire program should be delayed; not just the parts that help Dems stave off the consequences of the crap law they passed.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I agree with the first part.

When can the line be set? Or can it be set at this point (or any point in the future) since it hasn't been in the past.
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the same people laughing at and shouting down any suggestion of impeachment during the Bush years or calling for Clinton's really don't have a leg to stand on IMO. It's simply a partisan stunt by the vast majority saying Obama should be impeached
 
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Gramps said:
Why did it cause the GOP harm ? Obama, the Dems and the mainstream media did a very good job of selling to the American people all the harm Ted Cruz and the Republicans were causing to American by shutting the government down. Basically the dems outsmarted the repubs on the shutdown.
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Do you really think the American voter has that good if a memory or attention span? By 2016 3/4 of voters will have no recollection.

These are just your hopes, not reality.
 
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utvolpj said:
then you should be cheering the shutdown. It showed that there's plenty to cut if someone truly wanted to. Start attacking the Dems and the media for lying to the American people instead of talking about the harm done to the GOP (another Dem lie)

I still believe the people putting these politicians in office are the real problem
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He is not going to attack the party where his heart belongs.
 
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volinbham said:
But Gramps it isn't being delayed - it is selectively delayed for political expediency.

It is crass political maneuvering and I've got zero respect for that.

The entire program should be delayed; not just the parts that help Dems stave off the consequences of the crap law they passed.
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You make a good point however it is too late now imo. Individuals are already insured by Obamacare, what happens to their coverage? There are a few things about the ACA I like but the bad far outweighs the good.
 
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utvolpj said:
the same people laughing at and shouting down any suggestion of impeachment during the Bush years or calling for Clinton's really don't have a leg to stand on IMO. It's simply a partisan stunt by the vast majority saying Obama should be impeached
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That has a lot of Truth as well.

Sounds like a trend with no end in sight.
 
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Gramps said:
You make a good point however it is too late now imo. Individuals are already insured by Obamacare, what happens to their coverage? There are a few things about the ACA I like but the bad far outweighs the good.
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If you like your coverage you can keep it? Maybe? IDK
 
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utvolpj said:
the same people laughing at and shouting down any suggestion of impeachment during the Bush years or calling for Clinton's really don't have a leg to stand on IMO. It's simply a partisan stunt by the vast majority saying Obama should be impeached
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I wouldn't call it a partisan stunt by any means. If nothing else, it would go a long way as to showing the American People the Legislative Branch still has a backbone to stand up for what's right. You look at all the controversy surrounding the Oval Office right now. And even if the left does like to call it faux outrage and made up scandals, the fact remains the Oval office is central to many if not most of these things. Eric Holder for instance should have been fired and replaced when Fast and Furious broke out. But the data needed for Congress to do it's job was protected by Executive Privilege. Lerner should be telling the truth in the whole IRS thing and should never have been allowed to retire gracefully without letting the American People know what that particular agency was up to. And not even going to get started on the Benghazi controversy and the pathetic attempts that were made to downplay the fact that terrorists killed the US representative and his security detail. Just three examples of the iceberg of injustice and the farce this Administration has been.

Truman said it best, the buck stops in the White House. All other Presidents in the past have been held into or have taken accountability for their actions. But not this one. This one is the king of Teflon and his actions have been a gross violation of the justice this country was supposed to be built on. There has been nothing, absolutely nothing he has been held into account for or has taken ownership of. I'd almost settle for him to get on TV and say "yeah, my fault and my fault alone" for a change instead of deflecting the blame onto lower level government servants that often block and hamper efforts to discover the truth.

Call it partisan if you want, but it's high time the President took ownership of the things that's happened on his watch. Because no matter how much controversy, scandals, overt and covert attempts at concealing the truth and misleading the American People, this is still his Administration these things fall under and these are still the people he appointed for the most part to do his agenda. And by proxy, he is just as guilty as the rest.
 
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Gramps said:
You make a good point however it is too late now imo. Individuals are already insured by Obamacare, what happens to their coverage? There are a few things about the ACA I like but the bad far outweighs the good.
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What happens when the insurance companies go to congress for a bailout since most every item delayed was designed to support the reduced rates of the old and uninsurable?

Going to support that also?
 
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hog88 said:
What happens when the insurance companies go to congress for a bailout since most every item delayed was designed to support the reduced rates of the old and uninsurable?

Going to support that also?
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Is it going to be bi partisan?
 
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Grand Vol said:
I wouldn't call it a partisan stunt by any means. If nothing else, it would go a long way as to showing the American People the Legislative Branch still has a backbone to stand up for what's right. You look at all the controversy surrounding the Oval Office right now. And even if the left does like to call it faux outrage and made up scandals, the fact remains the Oval office is central to many if not most of these things. Eric Holder for instance should have been fired and replaced when Fast and Furious broke out. But the data needed for Congress to do it's job was protected by Executive Privilege. Lerner should be telling the truth in the whole IRS thing and should never have been allowed to retire gracefully without letting the American People know what that particular agency was up to. And not even going to get started on the Benghazi controversy and the pathetic attempts that were made to downplay the fact that terrorists killed the US representative and his security detail. Just three examples of the iceberg of injustice and the farce this Administration has been.

Truman said it best, the buck stops in the White House. All other Presidents in the past have been held into or have taken accountability for their actions. But not this one. This one is the king of Teflon and his actions have been a gross violation of the justice this country was supposed to be built on. There has been nothing, absolutely nothing he has been held into account for or has taken ownership of. I'd almost settle for him to get on TV and say "yeah, my fault and my fault alone" for a change instead of deflecting the blame onto lower level government servants that often block and hamper efforts to discover the truth.

Call it partisan if you want, but it's high time the President took ownership of the things that's happened on his watch. Because no matter how much controversy, scandals, overt and covert attempts at concealing the truth and misleading the American People, this is still his Administration these things fall under and these are still the people he appointed for the most part to do his agenda. And by proxy, he is just as guilty as the rest.
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that's great but my point was where were all these right-wingers just a few years ago when some were calling for the impeachment of Bush? When the belief in the system shifts 180 depending on which party is holding the cards then the motives are questionable at best.

to be honest, I'm almost of the belief most govt agencies are operating outside of direction from their superiors. For example, I don't believe anyone truly has control over operations by the CIA or NSA and feel any attempt to take back power would cause major issues for DC players. I'm just not sure we haven't passed a point of no return and impeaching the Potus has any real meaning. Especially when the guy they voted for did the same while they remained silent
 
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I think impeachment talk is way over the top. Nuke for a gnat. Congress can reign in Obama if they have the will without resorting to impeachment.
 
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volinbham said:
I think impeachment talk is way over the top. Nuke for a gnat. Congress can reign in Obama if they have the will without resorting to impeachment.
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Hasn't worked so far.

The Congress is nothing more than a figurehead organization that gets on TV from time to time. Their power is highly limited any more especially when half of them stood up and cheered when the President said he would avoid them and Executive Order things. I was dumbfounded when the President went on record as saying "I'm taking your job away and making you little more than a puppet to make the masses feel good about elections" and they cheered him for it.
 
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hog88 said:
What happens when the insurance companies go to congress for a bailout since most every item delayed was designed to support the reduced rates of the old and uninsurable?

Going to support that also?
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If you read my post you responded to I plainly said the bad outweights the good.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Hasn't worked so far.

The Congress is nothing more than a figurehead organization that gets on TV from time to time. Their power is highly limited any more especially when half of them stood up and cheered when the President said he would avoid them and Executive Order things. I was dumbfounded when the President went on record as saying "I'm taking your job away and making you little more than a puppet to make the masses feel good about elections" and they cheered him for it.
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We live in a nation that is extremely divided by party lines. Our congress and the majority of our citizens are supporting everything their side is for. It is pathetic. Look at this forum you have members that back every policy presented by their party of choice. They decide if they are going to support policy simply based on the R or D. How anyone can fall in line lock and stock on every issue with either party is beyond me.
 
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Gramps said:
We live in a nation that is extremely divided by party lines. Our congress and the majority of our citizens are supporting everything their side is for. It is pathetic. Look at this forum you have members that back every policy presented by their party of choice. They decide if they are going to support policy simply based on the R or D. How anyone can fall in line lock and stock on every issue with either party is beyond me.
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I personally don't fall into lockstep with every move the GOP makes. The majority of positions I tend to agree with, but there are places I part ways with.

The point I was making was the President went right in front of Congress and said unequivocally he was usurping their power. And they cheered him for it. And that's scary for ANY political party to agree with what amounts to an ultimatum "my way or else."
 
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Grand Vol said:
I personally don't fall into lockstep with every move the GOP makes. The majority of positions I tend to agree with, but there are places I part ways with.

The point I was making was the President went right in front of Congress and said unequivocally he was usurping their power. And they cheered him for it. And that's scary for ANY political party to agree with what amounts to an ultimatum "my way or else."
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This I agree to. That was terrible. You must agree there are some members on this forum on both sides that do fall in line lock and step with their party of choice.

I live in the 1st congressional district of TN. A very conservative district. No dem has been elected to congress out of this district in over 100 years. LG could run for a US House seat in my district and win if he had an R beside his name. That is falling in hook, line and sinker. Issues are not considered the party affiliation is al that matters. I am sure there are liberal districts the same way.
 
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Gramps said:
This I agree to. That was terrible. You must agree there are some members on this forum on both sides that do fall in line lock and step with their party of choice.

I live in the 1st congressional district of TN. A very conservative district. No dem has been elected to congress out of this district in over 100 years. LG could run for a US House seat in my district and win if he had an R beside his name. That is falling in hook, line and sinker. Issues are not considered the party affiliation is al that matters. I am sure there are liberal districts the same way.
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Good , we'll send him up there then. Got a spare room?
 
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Gramps said:
This I agree to. That was terrible. You must agree there are some members on this forum on both sides that do fall in line lock and step with their party of choice.

I live in the 1st congressional district of TN. A very conservative district. No dem has been elected to congress out of this district in over 100 years. LG could run for a US House seat in my district and win if he had an R beside his name. That is falling in hook, line and sinker. Issues are not considered the party affiliation is al that matters. I am sure there are liberal districts the same way.
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Really though, would you have voted for Trent, Russel, Clark or Woodruff? Davis didn't accomplish much, but Roe seems to be doing okay. Not great, but okay. Don't remember Jenkins doing much either. But considering the alternatives?

And nobody was ever going to take Jimmy Q out of that seat. It was always his until he didn't want it any more. While he didn't appear to have done much in Congress, he certainly could get things done and had a lot of influence up on the Hill.
 
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