O-line, RB changes we need.

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Why are we continuing with Foster? If I had to here one more time that he'd been caught from behind before getting in the hole I was going to scream. If your line is not cutting it make some changes , different combos or something. Creer is a homerun hitter and never got a carry , something not right there.
 
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I agree.

Foster needs to sit his butt on the bench. Hardesty has already shown he is quicker, faster and does not have a fumbling problem (or ball security problem to you Foster-ites).

I decided to purchase the game on PayPerView (i think Fulmer should refund everyone who purchased it). I was in total amazement (in a bad way) that Foster had the VAST MAJORITY of the snaps. The couple of times Hardesty got the ball he looked impressive, but he was straight to the sideline after his one carry

Just a thought..........Do you think its possible that Foster has something on Fulmer? Possible Kickbacks? Payment of somekind.? Recruiting Violation? And Fulmer is just scared he will rat him out? I can't imagine why a better, faster, smarter, SAFER back is sitting on the bench while he plays.
 
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I agree.

Foster needs to sit his butt on the bench. Hardesty has already shown he is quicker, faster and does not have a fumbling problem (or ball security problem to you Foster-ites).

I decided to purchase the game on PayPerView (i think Fulmer should refund everyone who purchased it). I was in total amazement (in a bad way) that Foster had the VAST MAJORITY of the snaps. The couple of times Hardesty got the ball he looked impressive, but he was straight to the sideline after his one carry

Just a thought..........Do you think its possible that Foster has something on Fulmer? Possible Kickbacks? Payment of somekind.? Recruiting Violation? And Fulmer is just scared he will rat him out? I can't imagine why a better, faster, smarter, SAFER back is sitting on the bench while he plays.

Montario's longest run was 9 yards on Saturday. Other than that he had 6 carries for 11 yards. Yeah, he was really impressive. Don't just make stuff up.
 
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I love Hardesty.....he is like lightening when he does those cuts........Foster is good but Hardesty is better and quicker........
 
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Montario's longest run was 9 yards on Saturday. Other than that he had 6 carries for 11 yards. Yeah, he was really impressive. Don't just make stuff up.

Who's making stuff up? I'm talking about what i saw. Plus.....goin back to the other games...Hardesty is 10 times the back Foster is. Foster is a decent, average back. Hardesty is more explosive and hits the whole (when the O-line gives him one) alot quicker and harder than Foster. Quote stats all day long - but it all has to do with opportunity.

Its not making stuff up. Its called Vision. We had numerous drives stall and end because Foster can't outrun 250lb+ Defensive players. Hardesty Can. (so can Creer)

Although - i do have to give Foster some credit - he didn't have one game changing Fumble the entire game!!
 
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IMO the O-Line has ended up being a big letdown as far as pre-season expectations go. Based on last years performance and the number of returning players most thought the line would be as good if not better in both areas of their game. It has turned out to be the opposite. Run blocking still sucks and pass protection is terrible, not to mention poor special teams play and consistent penalties on the line.

As far as backs go Foster and Hardesty should be splitting carries. With adequate O-line play they could have been a lethal 1-2. Oh well

Worst UT team I have ever seen.
 
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I have still yet to figure out why we switch our O-linemen around from side to side. Fulmer isn't exactly an innovator for college football so if no other team does that then either it doesn't help much at all or Clawson / Fulmer are geniuses.
 
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Who's making stuff up? I'm talking about what i saw. Plus.....goin back to the other games...Hardesty is 10 times the back Foster is. Foster is a decent, average back. Hardesty is more explosive and hits the whole (when the O-line gives him one) alot quicker and harder than Foster. Quote stats all day long - but it all has to do with opportunity.

Its not making stuff up. Its called Vision. We had numerous drives stall and end because Foster can't outrun 250lb+ Defensive players. Hardesty Can. (so can Creer)

Although - i do have to give Foster some credit - he didn't have one game changing Fumble the entire game!!

I'm starting to think Foster has some sort of blackmail material on Fulmer. All Fulmer does is talk about how good Hardesty & Creer are and they deserve more snaps yet come gametime Creer gets to sit the bench and Hardesty gets one or two carries so Foster can rest. It's BS!
 
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Creer looks like the only back that could turn the corner and go to the checkerboard.

I think that speed is what you need to make up for bad line play.

If you aren't getting a lot of good line play, speed is a good think for a RB to have.
 
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Hell, put Poole in...the few times I've seen him he was shifty and quick...football quick. like his build too...kinda reminds me of Felix Jones...low center of gravity and stocky
 
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I really wish we would quit the line flopping. Its really a stupid concept and proves this season to be useless. There have been no noticable mismatches. We just need to line up and play smash mouth football without all the twists
 
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Creer looks like the only back that could turn the corner and go to the checkerboard.

I think that speed is what you need to make up for bad line play.

If you aren't getting a lot of good line play, speed is a good think for a RB to have.

Creer is our biggest home run threat from running back. But Hardesty can take to the house too. Foster seems like the only back we have that looks as if he's running backwards at times when a defenders chasing him.
 
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I agree. There are actually 2 Fosters that are holding back this offense. Arian is not as explosive as Hardesty or Creer, although he does have somewhat better vision. But I think the coaches have it backwards. Foster would be a better compliment to Hardesty, instead of Hardesty to Foster. Hardesty needs to be the guy getting 20 carries a game to make sure we at least give ourselves the opportunity for the "homerun." Foster should only get about 10 carries a game and Creer needs about that many as well, and Creer's carries should be increasing as the year goes on. Foster simply doesn't have the ability of to be a homerun threat, and in my mind the more plays it takes us to get in the endzone the more opportunity we have to make a mistake getting there (fumbles, INT's, penalties etc).

The other Foster I see consistantly getting beat and playing undisciplined in Ramon Foster. He looks flat out fat and out of shape this year. He has gotten beat on the pass rush numerous times this year and has also had more penalties called on him than any other offensive lineman, and probably player on the team. That DE from NIU tore him up all night. Foster got beat the time Nick Stephens fumbled it, and several other times. There were a few other times when Arian Foster was tackled in the backfield by thhe guy coming from his backside. Not acceptable. No granted a few others on our offensive line have been called for penalties but the majority of them have been R Foster. He looks a lot fatter than last year, and his undisciplined play can be directly attributed to that. I am sick of seeing him and I say start playing Ramone Johnson at RT.
 
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Im friends with a Tennessee player, who likes Creer and his abilities, but says his attitude and work ethic at practice isn't very good. Do i think he should be playing? Yes, but i dont know the circumstances, a poor attitude would take away from field time if i were coaching, i know that much
 
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I'm starting to think Foster has some sort of blackmail material on Fulmer. All Fulmer does is talk about how good Hardesty & Creer are and they deserve more snaps yet come gametime Creer gets to sit the bench and Hardesty gets one or two carries so Foster can rest. It's BS!


I've been thinkin the same....maybe Foster's been getting some type of payment or kickback, or there was a recruiting violation or something and Fulmer is just scared he will Rat him out if he doesn't play

Foster is too slow for SEC and I cringe everytime he has the ball. He has no ball security at all. He has to have something over Fulmer's head. Hardesty and Creer are better. . . .
 
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I've been thinkin the same....maybe Foster's been getting some type of payment or kickback, or there was a recruiting violation or something and Fulmer is just scared he will Rat him out if he doesn't play

Foster is too slow for SEC and I cringe everytime he has the ball. He has no ball security at all. He has to have something over Fulmer's head. Hardesty and Creer are better. . . .
Its just phil being phil. Thats the reason foster's playing.
 
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I agree.

Foster needs to sit his butt on the bench. Hardesty has already shown he is quicker, faster and does not have a fumbling problem (or ball security problem to you Foster-ites).

I decided to purchase the game on PayPerView (i think Fulmer should refund everyone who purchased it). I was in total amazement (in a bad way) that Foster had the VAST MAJORITY of the snaps. The couple of times Hardesty got the ball he looked impressive, but he was straight to the sideline after his one carry

Just a thought..........Do you think its possible that Foster has something on Fulmer? Possible Kickbacks? Payment of somekind.? Recruiting Violation? And Fulmer is just scared he will rat him out? I can't imagine why a better, faster, smarter, SAFER back is sitting on the bench while he plays.


You can slam Arian all day long (like usual) about his play on the field or things of that nature. But I take HUGE offense (not that you care) to your implication of impropriety. It's a personal affront now. Arian doesn't have anything on anyone. If you want answers to why he plays, ask the coaches. Maybe it's because he does what he's supposed to on and off the field. Maybe he has a good work ethic and a good attitude all the time. Maybe he is most knowledgeable about all aspects of this offense. But to assume that he is doing something unethical is way over the line.

Worse, last year he was everyone's favorite. His freshman year, he was the ONLY offense we had. He puts his body on the line every day for this university. But all fans can do now is degrade and abuse. Fine. I hope he gets the record, I truly do, but that's not why he came back regardless of what you believe. Course I guess you'd rather have someone who'll be in prison holding your coveted record than one who did nothing more than just earn it.
 
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Just a thought..........Do you think its possible that Foster has something on Fulmer? Possible Kickbacks? Payment of somekind.? Recruiting Violation? And Fulmer is just scared he will rat him out?

That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen posted lately . . . and that's saying something.
 
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I've been thinkin the same....maybe Foster's been getting some type of payment or kickback, or there was a recruiting violation or something and Fulmer is just scared he will Rat him out if he doesn't play

Foster is too slow for SEC and I cringe everytime he has the ball. He has no ball security at all. He has to have something over Fulmer's head. Hardesty and Creer are better. . . .

idiotic assertion
 
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Just a thought..........Do you think its possible that Foster has something on Fulmer?
No. But Fulmer is loyal to a fault on a personal level. It has its benefits and drawbacks.

I'm sure that Fulmer feels an even stronger than normal loyalty to Foster since he passed on a 2nd round NFL projection to come back.

I can't imagine why a better, faster, smarter, SAFER back is sitting on the bench while he plays.

Maybe it has changed but last time I checked Foster was averaging over 5 ypc. He isn't particularly fast but he isn't a slug either. He makes very good cuts for a guy his size. UT has probably never had a "smarter" back.

I would love to see the more explosive backs get the ball. I don't like Foster's habit of turning the ball over at the worst possible times. OTOH, there's no need to overstate the case against him either.
 
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You can slam Arian all day long (like usual) about his play on the field or things of that nature. But I take HUGE offense (not that you care) to your implication of impropriety. It's a personal affront now. Arian doesn't have anything on anyone. If you want answers to why he plays, ask the coaches. Maybe it's because he does what he's supposed to on and off the field. Maybe he has a good work ethic and a good attitude all the time. Maybe he is most knowledgeable about all aspects of this offense. But to assume that he is doing something unethical is way over the line.

Worse, last year he was everyone's favorite. His freshman year, he was the ONLY offense we had. He puts his body on the line every day for this university. But all fans can do now is degrade and abuse. Fine. I hope he gets the record, I truly do, but that's not why he came back regardless of what you believe. Course I guess you'd rather have someone who'll be in prison holding your coveted record than one who did nothing more than just earn it.

My intention in this was not to "Slam" Arian Foster. I personally like the guy since for the most part he's stayed out of trouble and has been a class act. I became a fan of his after the Kentucky game his freshman year. I will admit though that I am more of a fan of Hardesty as of now. I'm simply stating that the majority of the fanbase (from my perspective of course) believe that Hardesty (also a stand-up guy!) give us a better shot at scoring in certain situations or games. Game Play has shown this as well. It would seem to make more sense to at least have the two SPLIT the carries, instead of giving the entire workload to Foster. Especially since the season is pretty much Shot at this point of any kind of championship of any kind.

And i did NOT accuse him of receiving kickbacks or anything. I stated Does anyone "THINK" there is something underlying that would would give Fulmer the reasoning to keep one back in the game when its obvious that back is not producing (even if its on a game to game basis) and/or turning the ball over at crucial moments (which thankfully did not happen saturday). I wonder the same about keeping Crompton in for so long. What do the other backs have to do to get a fair shot? I know Foster is a hard worker. Thats evident. But who's to say Hardesty isn't? The boy has worked his A$$ off to come back from multiple injuries to be game-day ready, only to ride the bench most of the game with no fair explanation. (You can claim practice all you want)

And i would relish the chance to question the coaches, but unfortunately for Tennessee fans, the football coaches at this university don't entertain questions from fans on a frequent basis.


As a side note - I would rather have Foster, Hardesty, Creer, etc have the Record than Travis "Coke-head" Henry.
 
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Seth, what Fulmer said makes sense... The D couldn't get off the field. There aren't alot of carries to split when you only get 50 offensive plays.
 
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The new clock rules have magnified the need to be efficent at everything you do. The games are 10-15 plays shorter, makes getting what you need to get done all that more important. You just don't get as many shots at it now. NFL light is what i've nicknamed it.
 
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My intention in this was not to "Slam" Arian Foster. I personally like the guy since for the most part he's stayed out of trouble and has been a class act. I became a fan of his after the Kentucky game his freshman year. I will admit though that I am more of a fan of Hardesty as of now. I'm simply stating that the majority of the fanbase (from my perspective of course) believe that Hardesty (also a stand-up guy!) give us a better shot at scoring in certain situations or games. Game Play has shown this as well. It would seem to make more sense to at least have the two SPLIT the carries, instead of giving the entire workload to Foster. Especially since the season is pretty much Shot at this point of any kind of championship of any kind.

And i did NOT accuse him of receiving kickbacks or anything. I stated Does anyone "THINK" there is something underlying that would would give Fulmer the reasoning to keep one back in the game when its obvious that back is not producing (even if its on a game to game basis) and/or turning the ball over at crucial moments (which thankfully did not happen saturday). I wonder the same about keeping Crompton in for so long. What do the other backs have to do to get a fair shot? I know Foster is a hard worker. Thats evident. But who's to say Hardesty isn't? The boy has worked his A$$ off to come back from multiple injuries to be game-day ready, only to ride the bench most of the game with no fair explanation. (You can claim practice all you want)

And i would relish the chance to question the coaches, but unfortunately for Tennessee fans, the football coaches at this university don't entertain questions from fans on a frequent basis.


As a side note - I would rather have Foster, Hardesty, Creer, etc have the Record than Travis "Coke-head" Henry.


While I respect this politically correct version of your initial post, had you written this the first time out, I never would've responded. I don't have issues with criticism but personal affronts are not something I'm willing to let go. At the end of the day, your reputation is all you have and something one should fight for.
 
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What was the stat line in that game? something like 18 carries for AF and 6 or 7 for MH. . . . 12 a piece would be splitting it. . . or letting MH stay in for another run, instead of bringing him for one run then sending him back to bench.

I know what ya'll are saying.... buts its been all year long. . . Foster will make the NFL, just on Size and Strength and Knowledge of the game alone, if nothing else. . . What does Fulmer have to lose ? Play MH more.
 

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