O-line is a MASH unit going into the Bama game

#26
#26
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The ball was 1/2 foot from the goal line. GA had a nose head-up over the center. We come out in Shotgun (Shotgun from the 1/2 foot line). Jack Jones (Freshman Volnation fav) has the LB, Floyd responsibility who shows he is rotating to his right, our left. Our Freshman right guard has the responsibility to make the call that the LB just rotated to the right side to inform the Center and Left Guard. That call never came from our Freshman. Therefore our Left Guard blocks out instead of in to close the gap. The Center does what a Center does at the 1/2 foot line when in a head up Nose situation. The Fumble happened due to an idiot coach that lined up in a Shotgun from the 1/2 foot line and due to a Freshman not making a Line of Scimmage call. It's that simple. For you to disparage our Senior Center is showing how ignorant you are and for Butchnut to comment further shows how ignorant he is.

I didn't see any rotation from an LB. He walked slowly up to the line from his pre-snap stance. Stocstill put a hat on him, but it was too late as the ball carrier ran into them.

Regardless, the fumble is on the ball carrier. You could argue he didn't have much time to secure the ball, and that's valid, but the fumble is ultimately his.

This tit-for-tat about the O-line is old.
 
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#27
#27
I didn't see any rotation from an LB. He walked slowly up to the line from his pre-snap stance. Stocstill put a hat on him, but it was too late as the ball carrier ran into them.

Regardless, the fumble is on the ball carrier. You could argue he didn't have much time to secure the ball, and that's valid, but the fumble is ultimately his.

This tit-for-tat about the O-line is old.

You didn't see any rotation from GA #42 the LB because maybe you didn't look for it. GA #42 the LB clearly lines up over our RG and then makes a call as his right arm motions then he slides to his right toward our LG (sneakily behind the nose who is headup over the center) from over our RG toward our LG. At the point our RG should make a LOS call on the shift to inform our LG. That LOS call didn't happen. For whatever reason we are lined up in shotgun formation from the 1/2 foot line and because our LG doesn't know that GA #42 LB has shifted to his side - #42 gets through. Our Center has the head-up nose and does a good job with surge. Had we been under center on a QB sneak? touchdown.
 
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#28
#28
I'm amazed at how many people think the solution to injuries is a new strength and conditioning coach. It's football. Every roster has injuries, you're just living in a UT bubble.

agree. just smh every time I see that comment.

how does S&C protect an ankle when a 325 pound person falls on your lower leg???
 
#29
#29
I dont know how people can say our best 5 lineman include the two freshman on the right side. Correct me if Im wrong, but with Kendrick and Wiseman on the right side we were averaging 230ish yards rushing per game thru 5 games. Thats pretty dang good. Yes, the lineup in the second half with Jones and Hall on the right side worked well, but thats just 1 half of a game. I'll take 5 games of production over a half. I could be wrong but saying they should start the rest of the year based off one half is a little crazy to me.

we will get a chance to see what they can do. Alabama will throw some stunts and blitzes at them. Georgia, for some unknown reason, failed to do that when they came in.
 
#30
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You didn't see any rotation from GA #42 the LB because maybe you didn't look for it. GA #42 the LB clearly lines up over our RG and then makes a call as his right arm motions then he slides to his right toward our LG (sneakily behind the nose who is headup over the center) from over our RG toward our LG. At the point our RG should make a LOS call on the shift to inform our LG. That LOS call didn't happen. For whatever reason we are lined up in shotgun formation from the 1/2 foot line and because our LG doesn't know that GA #42 LB has shifted to his side - #42 gets through. Our Center has the head-up nose and does a good job with surge. Had we been under center on a QB sneak? touchdown.

OK, I see the subtle right to left movement by 42. He does it right before snap, but he's right in front of both Crowder and Wiesman. Are they not allowed to see what's right in front of them? I get that there's an assignment system, but we're talking about a redshirt senior and a junior. Are they not allowed to take in their own view in the case where a freshman might (and often does) make a mistake?

I'm not trying to blame anyone, but if you want to assign blame to one guy, I gotta ask what the upperclassmen are looking at pre-snap. The dude was right in their vision, even if they're looking at the dirt.
 
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#34
Our offensive took off when we put in Jones and Hall. Missing Jashon hurts because he's our best offensive lineman, but no doubt in my mind Hall and Jones should be in there and starting.

Imagine when Richmond gets stronger how good they will be next year, especially as Thomas continues to develop at center.

Should be a good line next year, hopefully the rest of this year.
 
#35
#35
I'm not sure that injuries happen to our players and more frequently than on other teams. However, with a young roster that lacks experience, you only have so much quality depth. When one or two key players are on the mend, we're less likely to replace them with someone who doesn't show a noticeable dropoff in talent and/or experience. That's always going to hurt us in games until we recruit and keep talented players in the same system for a while.

On a team like Bubba's, they have Redshirt Sophomores and Juniors who've been developing in the program for years and were highly rated coming out of HS. Some of these position players are as good or better than our starters, but not elite like the ones who get the start.

For what it's worth, with a few bounces our way, a few hard lessons learned (and the correct adaptations to them), and maintaining his recruiting classes in the Top 5-15 (depending on needs and spots available), I believe that not only does Butch have a plan and a process, but that if we're patient enough without calling for his head when we get outplayed, we might just see it come to be. Experience is real. Depth is real. Top teams have it, and we're clearly building it back from the ashes. We've done nothing but improve each year in both recruiting and playing with passion since hiring CBJ. I'd rather he do it right than do it fast.
 
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I'm not sure that injuries happen to our players and more frequently than on other teams. However, with a young roster that lacks experience, you only have so much quality depth. When one or two key players are on the mend, we're less likely to replace them with someone who doesn't show a noticeable dropoff in talent and/or experience. That's always going to hurt us in games until we recruit and keep talented players in the same system for a while.

On a team like Bubba's, they have Redshirt Sophomores and Juniors who've been developing in the program for years and were highly rated coming out of HS. Some of these position players are as good or better than our starters, but not elite like the ones who get the start.

For what it's worth, with a few bounces our way, a few hard lessons learned (and the correct adaptations to them), and maintaining his recruiting classes in the Top 5-15 (depending on needs and spots available), I believe that not only does Butch have a plan and a process, but that if we're patient enough without calling for his head when we get outplayed, we might just see it come to be. Experience is real. Depth is real. Top teams have it, and we're clearly building it back from the ashes. We've done nothing but improve each year in both recruiting and playing with passion since hiring CBJ. I'd rather he do it right than do it fast.

excellent comments
 
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#37
#37
I'm amazed at how many people think the solution to injuries is a new strength and conditioning coach. It's football. Every roster has injuries, you're just living in a UT bubble.

Ironically to suggest that any other SEC team has suffered the amount of injuries this year is living in a 'denial bubble' or an 'oblivious bubble'. I doubt many programs can claim losing 3 players that began the season as starters on the O-line and 2 of our best players on the D-line. If there are I would love to see who they are and if they are still competitive.
 
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#38
#38
agree. just smh every time I see that comment.

how does S&C protect an ankle when a 325 pound person falls on your lower leg???

Didn't realize every injury was a lower leg injury. I smh at lot of your posts. Love the spreadsheets though.
 
#40
#40
Ironically to suggest that any other SEC team has suffered the amount of injuries this year is living in a 'denial bubble' or an 'oblivious bubble'. I doubt many programs can claim losing 3 players that began the season as starters on the O-line and 2 of our best players on the D-line. If there are I would love to see who they are and if they are still competitive.

Ok...on that note, what strengthening exercises did Lawson miss that could have prevented Maggitt's hip get hurt walking by himself. And Tuttle's knee from a cheap hit from BEHIND?
 
#41
#41
There is a very good chance that Richmond may see some playing time this weekend. I know the plan is to redshirt him this season but anything can happen with us being so thin on the offensive line. I'm not saying that it will happen for sure but I would not be surprised to see him get some playing time.
 
#42
#42
Don't know what it is with the injuries this year, but it's pretty much torpedoed the season from being a great one. May need to look at a new strength and conditioning guy, tone down practices, or both. Pisses me off that Butch babbled on about being full speed other than Tuttle and now we get this report.

There are people who will use injuries as an excuse. Butch has already floated it.

If it were one season then you could write it off. But UT under Jones seems to have injuries consistently above the norm. They definitely seem to have more than in the Fulmer years.

There are those who will scream "we have no depth".... but even really good depth isn't enough if you get guys hurt at the rate we're seeing.

Some of these are really odd injuries too. They may have to look at changing methods in S&C as well as practice.
 
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#43
#43
I didn't see any rotation from an LB. He walked slowly up to the line from his pre-snap stance. Stocstill put a hat on him, but it was too late as the ball carrier ran into them.

Regardless, the fumble is on the ball carrier. You could argue he didn't have much time to secure the ball, and that's valid, but the fumble is ultimately his.

This tit-for-tat about the O-line is old.

They should have gotten out of that play. UGA had put more guys in the bubble than UT could block.
 
#45
#45
Since I don't think there is "NO way in Hell" we win this game, why not play the freshman to let them know how much stronger they need to get to compete in this league and going forward. Because unfortunately BAMA is the measuring stick as far as how much stronger your offensive and defensive lines need to get........If the starters are injured then why put "gimpy" players out there thats about 60-80%.......put a 100% Freshman out there...........
 
#46
#46
Ok...on that note, what strengthening exercises did Lawson miss that could have prevented Maggitt's hip get hurt walking by himself. And Tuttle's knee from a cheap hit from BEHIND?

I don't know. But something is off kilter. People can't just stick their head in the sand and keep suggesting it's just a series of fluke plays. I mean, I guess they can, but it just doesn't seem logical.
 
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#47
#47
Please list the injuries you believe a different S&C coach could prevent.

Go.

Why should I list anything? If you followed the team you are aware of the injuries. I don't feel like doing extra work for you so you can sit back and argue to argue. Lazy debating at its finest.
 
#48
#48
I dont know how people can say our best 5 lineman include the two freshman on the right side. Correct me if Im wrong, but with Kendrick and Wiseman on the right side we were averaging 230ish yards rushing per game thru 5 games. Thats pretty dang good. Yes, the lineup in the second half with Jones and Hall on the right side worked well, but thats just 1 half of a game. I'll take 5 games of production over a half. I could be wrong but saying they should start the rest of the year based off one half is a little crazy to me.

JMO, but I think what most of us saw in the Georgia game with the frosh O-linemen in the game was improved protection on passing downs. Jones and Hall weren't getting routinely beat around the end by the rush.
 
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#50
I'm not sure that injuries happen to our players and more frequently than on other teams. However, with a young roster that lacks experience, you only have so much quality depth. When one or two key players are on the mend, we're less likely to replace them with someone who doesn't show a noticeable dropoff in talent and/or experience. That's always going to hurt us in games until we recruit and keep talented players in the same system for a while.

On a team like Bubba's, they have Redshirt Sophomores and Juniors who've been developing in the program for years and were highly rated coming out of HS. Some of these position players are as good or better than our starters, but not elite like the ones who get the start.

For what it's worth, with a few bounces our way, a few hard lessons learned (and the correct adaptations to them), and maintaining his recruiting classes in the Top 5-15 (depending on needs and spots available), I believe that not only does Butch have a plan and a process, but that if we're patient enough without calling for his head when we get outplayed, we might just see it come to be. Experience is real. Depth is real. Top teams have it, and we're clearly building it back from the ashes. We've done nothing but improve each year in both recruiting and playing with passion since hiring CBJ. I'd rather he do it right than do it fast.
not it's not real. fire everyone. that's the only way to fix it. our coaches can't coach 'em up. we don't develop talent. we should be beating anyone we play. regularly.

don't let the coaches use injuries, depth, experience, youth or the fact that Bama is better than us as an excuse.

there is no excuse for losing. if you lose, you're a loser. and those leopards don't ever change their spots.

:crazy:
 

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