Now that the honeymoon is over...

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wilrob75 said:
I don't disagree. I still have no idea why our fans give him a pass for not starting Dobbs the first two years either.
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Did we have another Dobbs on the team in '13 and '14? You cant be talking about the guy many blame everything from bumpy roads to global warming on.....
 
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KBVol said:
Honeymoon for me was over after 2013 loss to Vandy and I damn near filed for divorce after last year's 10-9 loss to Florida. I'm currently estranged and in serious need of couples therapy if this marriage is gonna last....I'm thinking of cheating.
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:) Good stuff
 
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Cartervol said:
He's safe through next year at the very least. He's amassed enough talent to do just enough to keep his job.
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Just a stab, but is it possible that one of his motivations for working so damn hard on the recruiting trail, where he's exceeded all of our wildest expectations, is because he himself understands his gameday coaching deficiencies even better than we do, has come to terms with it, and knows that his only chance to win here is by "out-talenting" 90% of our opponents? Probably a stretch, Just a question.
 
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knoxville's finest said:
Florida is not a rebuilding job. That school has won a total of 3 national titles. 1 under spurrier, 2 under meyer. For those who say Muschamp sucked, he had an 11 game winning season plus his total defense was in the top 10 every year he was there.
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You're talking up muschamp's gators from the last 3 years? Really? And McElwain was possibly an even worse hire. And he just beat us in year one...
 
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FEARinSEC said:
He should be given at least 4 full recruiting cycles with 4 full seasons (barring some catastrophic meltdown, which seems we might be on the verge of) before firing him. I sure hope Hart is smart enough to see the writing on the wall and start putting out feelers, to see what big name coach would want to come here, well ahead of a firing.
The next hire CANNOT be botched!
With that said, I'm still behind Butch (Hanging on a thread) and hope he can right the ship. I will always be behind the players and my University!
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Good post. And I'm all in on a good coach were Butch have to go. But, outside a fanbase truly sick of a revolving coaching chair, Butch would theoretically leave the program light years ahead of where he started. This is the reason (outside the buyout) that he'll geta longer leash than some want.

So, if fired after say 16', the prospects for quality coaches would be much higher than 2012 IMO.

Butch has (pardon the pun) laid a nice foundation. A top shelf coach might look at UT after this year or next and say "I'll take it with that roster". Nobody was excited about our dumpster fire and corresponding schedule during the last coaching hire.
 
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When Butch was hired in December, 2 months later we signed the 2013 class. For the most part, that entire class has already been recruited over. Only a few of those kids are still on the team.
 
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KBVol said:
Just a stab, but is it possible that one of his motivations for working so damn hard on the recruiting trail, where he's exceeded all of our wildest expectations, is because he himself understands his gameday coaching deficiencies even better than we do, has come to terms with it, and knows that his only chance to win here is by "out-talenting" 90% of our opponents? Probably a stretch, Just a question.
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Not sure if it's that.
 
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It's still 1 game at a time, we beat AR, but that means nothing since they suck( lost to Toledo). GA will choke and then we get the win, Bama is beatable,( by a Mississippi school no less), so we have a shot for sure.... Begin blue font....That lane kiffen is a great coach.....blue font ended. Worst idea by saban ever. The rest of the season will play out one game at a time and all you negavols know you were counting OK,FL,AR,GA,AL,MO, all as losses so we are on pace for a break out year in 2016.
GO VOLS! Beat the Hogs!
 
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knoxville's finest said:
Most on hear want everything sugar coated. I'm sorry but the Tennessee job is not everybody's dream job. Sorry to disappoint but the talent level had been on a decline before Fulmer left. The truth is that we had to overhaul the entire roster. That's why a lot of coaches did not want to come to knoxville. The writing was on the wall that it would take atleast 3 years. During a recent 5 year period, only Kentucky had lost more conference games than Tennessee. Butch Jones is not going anywhere. End of conversation.
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This^..On point is an understatement
 
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wilrob75 said:
You're talking up muschamp's gators from the last 3 years? Really? And McElwain was possibly an even worse hire. And he just beat us in year one...
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Muskrat laid an egg on the field offensively. I doubtmany would talk that up. But he stacked the defense and recruited decently during the period (barring 2015'). If CJM brings in a few offensive playmakers and a QB or two, then watch out. He can coach and that prog has closets full of cash.

CJM is inheriting nothing like Jones' has. He can be back to the top in a class or 2 IMO. Or not hopefully.
 
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KBVol said:
Just a stab, but is it possible that one of his motivations for working so damn hard on the recruiting trail, where he's exceeded all of our wildest expectations, is because he himself understands his gameday coaching deficiencies even better than we do, has come to terms with it, and knows that his only chance to win here is by "out-talenting" 90% of our opponents? Probably a stretch, Just a question.
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Not sure if it's that.. I will say it better stay strong because he has been horrendous so far in big games. His record proves it. At some point you are who your record says you are. Jones has to either adapt and tweek his philosophy or he's going to end up another coach that didn't work out here. The SEC is big boy football, not the Big East.
 
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Catbone said:
Hart Botched the Tyndall hire, he should've been let go after that crap.
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Are you serious, Clark? Do you really think Hart would have hired Tyndall if he knew what everyone knows now? It's easy to sit back now (hindsight 20/20) and say that, but until you or Hart can see into the future, that statement is beyond dumb!
 
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KBVol said:
Just a stab, but is it possible that one of his motivations for working so damn hard on the recruiting trail, where he's exceeded all of our wildest expectations, is because he himself understands his gameday coaching deficiencies even better than we do, has come to terms with it, and knows that his only chance to win here is by "out-talenting" 90% of our opponents? Probably a stretch, Just a question.
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If that were true then he shouldn't have hired an OC that is little more than a glorified yes man.
 
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KBVol said:
Just a stab, but is it possible that one of his motivations for working so damn hard on the recruiting trail, where he's exceeded all of our wildest expectations, is because he himself understands his gameday coaching deficiencies even better than we do, has come to terms with it, and knows that his only chance to win here is by "out-talenting" 90% of our opponents? Probably a stretch, Just a question.
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That might be a stretch.

But, if Jones' can out-talent 90% of our opponents, then I'll take that every day of the week and x2 on Saturday. Fulmer did pretty well in the 1st 1/2 with that strategy. I really could care less if we are loaded with mid-pack coaching, or scrubs with a staff that gets 150% out of the team. If we can spank UF, UGA, and UA, and have a shot at the playoffs, then I'm in!
 
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With an Oline that gave up 48 sacks last year, aj leaving, nothing but soph and freshman in the 2 deep depth chart. Why did this fan base make high expectations yet again?
 
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livefaith said:
You used the term "blow" in the OP. Only if we pull another 3qtr domination followed by 4th Q collapse against UGA & UA could those losses be called "blown".

We won't be expected (nor were we ever) to win either, so losing "competitively" would be par for the course I think.

Losing to Arky might be considered "blown" regardless tho.

Either way, Arky is the watershed game. He really needs to win that to keep the fanbase on board the brick laying experiment. Lose it and the dreaded 2-5 record rears it's ugly head. It would take a quiet and accomplishment to finish 7-5 and sweep UK, Mizz, & USC.

7-5 will be "unacceptable", but he'll be retained to "right the ship" with his recruits in 16'. 8-4 next year and we may go shopping. JMO on that scenario.

Beat Arky and one of UA / UGA, then run the table, and the hype train for 2016' gets chugging out of the gate under heavy steam.

Beat Arky, lose the 2 biggies, and lose one of the remaining 3 and a dark cloud of doubt hangs, but Butch stays.

Lose the next three, and lose one of the remaining 3, and serious calls for Butch's head are made. Hart keeps him anyway, but I'm not sure Butch can get the base back without a steller 16', where we win the East or the SEC, or make the playoff.

Hart i$ in too deep with Jone$ to even consider a change this year. Barring an unforseen 4 win season this year, I can't see a change. We are with the guy for this and next at least.

Here's hoping for some awesome BBQ Sat night and to getting this 15' season back on pace for 8-4 or 9-3. It's doable without a doubt.
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Fair points. I say we blow the games because we absolutely have the talent on board already to compete and win. Hell, we REALLY should be 4-0 right now and be in the top 10.

And I agree completely that the finances are a huge deal, and many blame Hart for locking down Jones with such a poor record (myself included). But Hart will try to save his own a$$ before he gets canned too.

I say he has to win at least one of the next three, or Hart will be under some serious pressure. And I find it interesting that people think that he's here regardless. That's never happened, and never will. We fired a NC winning coach fresh off an SEC champ appearance and a 6 year extension.

If stuff hits the fan, Butch might get a hell of a payday. Thus, he wins either way. But no one is person is above the program, and never has been.
 
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Butch has minimum of 5 years just for his contract. Also, because almost no one on the roster in 2013 could start now. This is fact.
However, it does not excuse crapping the bed on gameday, EVER!



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knoxville's finest said:
Most on hear want everything sugar coated. I'm sorry but the Tennessee job is not everybody's dream job.
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Did anyone say it was? Silly premise, but of course it's a familiar trope from the head coach sycophant faction here.

No school is everyone's dream job. I doubt Alabama was Saban's before they offered him 5 million a year. I doubt Ole Miss is anyone's dream job, but they found a good coach. There are plenty of quality coaches out there who would like to make 4 million a year. No school paying what we're paying should be content with proven losers. Heck, plenty of mid-majors wouldn't put up with what we've seen.

knoxville's finest said:
Sorry to disappoint but the talent level had been on a decline before Fulmer left. The truth is that we had to overhaul the entire roster. That's why a lot of coaches did not want to come to knoxville. The writing was on the wall that it would take at least 3 years.
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No one expected to compete for championships right away. Butch duplicated Dooley's worst record in his first year and a vast majority of the posters here declared it a job well done.

We're in year 3. Just about every coach who has effectively overhauled a program/roster in this century has taken major steps forward by this point. Butch still has the same record as Dooley and is a laughing stock across the country.

knoxville's finest said:
Butch Jones is not going anywhere. End of conversation.
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Lots of your ilk declared that Dooley wasn't going anywhere either. We'll see how it goes. It will probably have to get alot uglier before it gets better. I expect it will. But, if you can't stomach conversation, you should probably avoid messageboards.
 
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The idea of firing coach Jones at this point is ludicrous. Just bringing it up is idiotic.
 
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knoxville's finest said:
With an Oline that gave up 48 sacks last year, aj leaving, nothing but soph and freshman in the 2 deep depth chart. Why did this fan base make high expectations yet again?
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I've steadily maintained 7-5 or 8-4, but that was with the guess that our talent was still not where it needed to be to win 10 games. We absolutely have the talent to win 10 this year though. At least as of right now.
 
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