Notes from TN @ SEC Media Day

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Apparently Dobbs flew the team to Media Day. lol

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volman85 said:
I ain't "hatin" on Maria but I wasn't expecting some of the poor mouthing from the guys s, so I was listening in a little closer then. And her 2 incorrect cents was not a matter of opinion it was factually incorrect. Just made me wonder how much incorrect things are said about other teams I don't follow near as closely as my BIG ORANGE.
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All of them made it a point of emphasis to claim that Khalil and Shy "underachieved" as freshmen, without bothering to note that Tuttle missed half of the season due to a cheap shot injury in the Georgia game.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
All of them made it a point of emphasis to claim that Khalil and Shy "underachieved" as freshmen, without bothering to note that Tuttle missed half of the season due to a cheap shot injury in the Georgia game.
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They were true freshman as well. Good Grief! We shouldn't have had to even play them.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
All of them made it a point of emphasis to claim that Khalil and Shy "underachieved" as freshmen, without bothering to note that Tuttle missed half of the season due to a cheap shot injury in the Georgia game.
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That just goes to show that these talking heads don't really watch film of the games. That is laziness.

I will say that having missed his senior season in high school, Kahlil was a little rusty and showed up for camp about 25 lbs overweight last August but to say he 'underachieved' as a true freshman? Ridiculous. Any criticism of Shy is just ignorant. He was playing really well prior to his injury and being disruptive (when not being cut blocked from behind)... but of course, you would actually have to watch the games to know that.
 
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volfan102455 said:
They were true freshman as well. Good Grief! We shouldn't have had to even play them.
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True freshmen ball out every year in this conference.

Look at how great Calvin Ridley, Antonio Callaway, and Christian Kirk were last year. Remember how great Myles Garrett and Derek Barnett were two years ago.

I thought the criticism was fair for Kahlil but not Shy. Shy was on his way to a freshmen all-american season before the injury. If he gets back to 100%, he has superstar written all over him.

Kahlil was a disappointment though. He needs to step up big time. His talent demands it.
 
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Freshmen "ball out" when they are surrounded by upper class men and given a play designed for them to "ball out". Otherwise they get "used".
 
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MustafaRasta said:
http://www.volnation.com/forum/tenn...-vols-preseason-watch-lists.html#post12735356

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I get it, it's fun to just call D4H a fool but his point is valid.

Kahlil was the #1 overall rated player by one RS.

He had 12 solo tackles. 1 sack. 1 FF.

That is not a big impact and it's fair to have expected more. Nobody is calling him a bust.
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Exactly.

I don't know why people are getting offended that we're saying he needs to play better?

I'm the guy who compares him to NFL pro bowl DT Haloti Ngata. Thats the talent Kahlil has. He needs to deliver on it this year.
 
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MustafaRasta said:
http://www.volnation.com/forum/tenn...-vols-preseason-watch-lists.html#post12735356

^^^

I get it, it's fun to just call D4H a fool but his point is valid.

Kahlil was the #1 overall rated player by one RS.

He had 12 solo tackles. 1 sack. 1 FF.

That is not a big impact and it's fair to have expected more. Nobody is calling him a bust.
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It's not easy to have an impact as a true freshman DT in the SEC for many reasons. Trenton Thompson (UGA) was also a #1 overall player in some services from the 2015 class and he had less impact than K-Mac with only 8 solo tackles, 2 tackles for loss, 0 sacks and 0 forced fumbles. He was credited with 17 assists (mostly against us).

As I mentioned above, Kahlil was overweight at this time a year ago and was hurt by not only missing his senior season following his transfer from De LA Salle but by not being an early entree. It's my understanding his weight is down to 320 and the coaching staff is very pleased with his work ethic.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
True freshmen ball out every year in this conference.

Look at how great Calvin Ridley, Antonio Callaway, and Christian Kirk were last year. Remember how great Myles Garrett and Derek Barnett were two years ago.

I thought the criticism was fair for Kahlil but not Shy. Shy was on his way to a freshmen all-american season before the injury. If he gets back to 100%, he has superstar written all over him.

Kahlil was a disappointment though. He needs to step up big time. His talent demands it.
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Let's see, Ridley, Callaway and Kirk were all wide receivers. It's a little easier for such a position to make a serious impact in their freshman year as opposed to a freshman facing off against nearly 3/4 of a ton of experienced offensive linemen. Barnett and Garrett were both freaks of nature that exceeded the norm for a defensive lineman, I'll give you that. But your comparisons are apples to oranges.

K-Mac also sat his senior year in high school. And regardless of who he worked out with prior to coming to Tennessee, you don't think the learning curve might have been a bit steeper for him coming into play SEC ball?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Let's see, Ridley, Callaway and Kirk were all wide receivers. It's a little easier for such a position to make a serious impact in their freshman year as opposed to a freshman facing off against nearly 3/4 of a ton of experienced offensive linemen. Barnett and Garrett were both freaks of nature that exceeded the norm for a defensive lineman, I'll give you that. But your comparisons are apples to oranges.

K-Mac also sat his senior year in high school. And regardless of who he worked out with prior to coming to Tennessee, you don't think the learning curve might have been a bit steeper for him coming into play SEC ball?
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All of this is true and I just wonder if they called Trenton Thompson's season a "disappointment" ? Probably not.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
True freshmen ball out every year in this conference.

Look at how great Calvin Ridley, Antonio Callaway, and Christian Kirk were last year. Remember how great Myles Garrett and Derek Barnett were two years ago.

I thought the criticism was fair for Kahlil but not Shy. Shy was on his way to a freshmen all-american season before the injury. If he gets back to 100%, he has superstar written all over him.

Kahlil was a disappointment though. He needs to step up big time. His talent demands it.
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He wasn't a bust. He played fine for a freshman DL, particularly considering he had to sit out his senior year in HS. The problem was some of you had such high expectations for him, there's no way he could have lived up to those expectations. You expected he would come in and make every tackle and never get blocked--he was a freshman for gosh sakes. Give him time
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
All of them made it a point of emphasis to claim that Khalil and Shy "underachieved" as freshmen, without bothering to note that Tuttle missed half of the season due to a cheap shot injury in the Georgia game.
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Big Mac did underachieve. Take your blinders off and watch the film. He didn't live up to the hype. But to his credit he can't control that. That's the media and fans. He'll be much better this season.
 
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nice way to get around SEC country...need a bigger T (white) on the tail and the rest of the plane...all orange...:)

GO VOLS!
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
All of them made it a point of emphasis to claim that Khalil and Shy "underachieved" as freshmen, without bothering to note that Tuttle missed half of the season due to a cheap shot injury in the Georgia game.
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You're crazy. Just ask a few posters on this site. What they say is gold... or maybe it's just gold to them when the SECN crew says anything negative about Jones. LOL
 
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Grand Vol said:
Let's see, Ridley, Callaway and Kirk were all wide receivers. It's a little easier for such a position to make a serious impact in their freshman year as opposed to a freshman facing off against nearly 3/4 of a ton of experienced offensive linemen. Barnett and Garrett were both freaks of nature that exceeded the norm for a defensive lineman, I'll give you that. But your comparisons are apples to oranges.

K-Mac also sat his senior year in high school. And regardless of who he worked out with prior to coming to Tennessee, you don't think the learning curve might have been a bit steeper for him coming into play SEC ball?
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So many fans have no clue about the game. Few, very few interior D linemen have impacts as true frosh. It's a different world playing DT than any other position on the field from a pure strength, size, knowledge and technique stand point.
 
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ReaderVol said:
So many fans have no clue about the game. Few, very few interior D linemen have impacts as true frosh. It's a different world playing DT than any other position on the field from a pure strength, size, knowledge and technique stand point.
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I talked about Trenton Thompson's numbers in an above post... In trying to think about other DT's we've signed the caliber of McKenzie in the last 20 years, the two best are obviously John Henderson (who didn't play as a true freshman in '98) and Albert Haynesworth.

These were Haynesworth's stats a true freshman in '99 (which aren't always very telling about a DT's performance but...)

11 tackles, 2 tackles for loss, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles
 
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ReaderVol said:
So many fans have no clue about the game. Few, very few interior D linemen have impacts as true frosh. It's a different world playing DT than any other position on the field from a pure strength, size, knowledge and technique stand point.
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And the few that do are usually the number one player in the country. Guys that I dunno, dominate all the camps. Come from a football family. At least they are the ones you'd expect? eh?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
True freshmen ball out every year in this conference.

Look at how great Calvin Ridley, Antonio Callaway, and Christian Kirk were last year. Remember how great Myles Garrett and Derek Barnett were two years ago.

I thought the criticism was fair for Kahlil but not Shy. Shy was on his way to a freshmen all-american season before the injury. If he gets back to 100%, he has superstar written all over him.

Kahlil was a disappointment though. He needs to step up big time. His talent demands it.
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I agree with this 100%.Im paraphrasing but they also go on to say that it might be a good thing bc it brings him back down to earth and shows him hes not the greatest makes him want to work harder. wish i also agree with that too look at the weight he lost. his work ethic will show on the field this year.
 
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