Not happy with RB depth

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titansvolsfaninga said:
Nope. According to an unnamed poster. Butch should've known they both would leave. How would he have known? I don't know...the poster doesn't know either, but that hasn't stopped him from pointing it out.
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A good coach would have prepared. Vague? Yes I know it sounds so but I'm a leader of men and I hire/fire people sometimes on flimsy circumstances such as who's going to be the guest on Live! With Kelly and Michael. If you're intellectually honest you'll agree that I'm right about this.

-Unnamed Poster
 
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BearCat204 said:
Completely missing it still. It's exhausting honestly trying to point it out to you.
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It's just so simple Bearcat - I'll try and dumb it down so you and your fellow VN bottom dwellers / knuckle staggers can understand - Hugh Freeze has set the gold standard at Ole Miss.

If we're lucky and somehow overcome all of CBJ's myriad of shortcomings we may someday hope to return to prestigious Chik-Fil-A bowl in Atlanta to get blown out by the big 12 runner-up.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Completely missing it still. It's exhausting honestly trying to point it out to you.
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No. I'm not missing it at all. You don't want to have a discussion about the issue. You want to have a discussion about me and how heroic you are for "calling me out".
 
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butchna said:
A good coach would have prepared. Vague? Yes I know it sounds so but I'm a leader of men and I hire/fire people sometimes on flimsy circumstances such as who's going to be the guest on Live! With Kelly and Michael. If you're intellectually honest you'll agree that I'm right about this.

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Come on Butchna... you were making so much progress. Don't fall back into that idiocy.
 
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ajvol01 said:
It's just so simple Bearcat - I'll try and dumb it down so you and your fellow VN bottom dwellers / knuckle staggers can understand - Hugh Freeze has set the gold standard at Ole Miss.

If we're lucky and somehow overcome all of CBJ's myriad of shortcomings we may someday hope to return to prestigious Chik-Fil-A bowl in Atlanta to get blown out by the big 12 runner-up.
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Yeah. It is simple. When you really don't have anything to respond with, exaggerate and attack the one who disagrees with your assumption.

Again, if you want to see how it is "done". Check Mustafa's post. He makes a good point. If it were just about a single coach taking over a mess and turning it around then he'd be completely right.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Nope. According to an unnamed poster. Butch should've known they both would leave. How would he have known? I don't know...the poster doesn't know either, but that hasn't stopped him from pointing it out.
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Yes. I know and explained it in detail. But it isn't surprising that you would lie at this point.
 
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MustafaRasta said:
I'll get back to you when Ole Miss wins four games this year. It was not a race to see who gets their the fastest. I was under the impression Butch was building the program. To me, looking over the Ole Miss roster it does look like BJ has done the better job.

Besides are we not talking about depth? You didn't address their lack of depth at all after using it as your measuring stick against Jones.

Be intellectually honest.
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You make a good point but it isn't a singular coach nor have I said that Jones won't end up better than Freeze.

Back to what I HAVE in fact said that started the attacks (most of them personal). Jones is responsible for building the roster. Do you dispute that? The RB position is thin with only one returning letterman on the roster. Dispute that? Two recruiting classes was enough to have at least two or 3 returning lettermen. Is that too "radically negative" to swallow?
 
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sjt18 said:
Yeah. It is simple. When you really don't have anything to respond with, exaggerate and attack the one who disagrees with your assumption.

Again, if you want to see how it is "done". Check Mustafa's post. He makes a good point. If it were just about a single coach taking over a mess and turning it around then he'd be completely right.
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Get over yourself. You have consistently criticized Jones since he was hired.

I haven't seen you make any significant acknowledgement of the progress this program has made over the past 2-1/2 yrs - just nitpicking about anything and everything you can find to try and play devil's advocate to all of us "sheep".

You're an admitted Dooley supporter that has now taken it upon yourself to be the perennial CBJ wet blanket for the rest of Volnation - lest we get too gosh darn excited about the obvious momentum and improvement we are seeing as a direct result of CBJ and his staff's tireless efforts.

Just so tired of your act. If you're not convinced then try a bit less diatribe/diarrhea of the mouth and a little more wait and see.

If you can't respect that some of us on VN don't enjoy having your non-stop anti-CBJ agenda shoved down our throats then I guess I'll just put you back on ignore.
 
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sjt18 said:
You make a good point but it isn't a singular coach nor have I said that Jones won't end up better than Freeze.

Back to what I HAVE in fact said that started the attacks (most of them personal). Jones is responsible for building the roster. Do you dispute that? The RB position is thin with only one returning letterman on the roster. Dispute that? Two recruiting classes was enough to have at least two or 3 returning lettermen. Is that too "radically negative" to swallow?
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Give me a non-returning Alvin Kamara over most returning RBs we have had on campus since 2009.

Marlin Lane, Rajion Neal, Devrin Young, Q. Watson, Jaron Toney, Tom Smith, etc, etc, etc
 
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sjt18 said:
Come on Butchna... you were making so much progress. Don't fall back into that idiocy.
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It's initially nice when you start giving me props old buddy...then I'm faced with the realization that I'm doing something wrong. :unsure:
 
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sjt18 said:
You make a good point but it isn't a singular coach nor have I said that Jones won't end up better than Freeze.

Back to what I HAVE in fact said that started the attacks (most of them personal). Jones is responsible for building the roster. Do you dispute that? The RB position is thin with only one returning letterman on the roster. Dispute that? Two recruiting classes was enough to have at least two or 3 returning lettermen. Is that too "radically negative" to swallow?
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Yes or no...are we better at the RB position now than in Dooley's last year?
 
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sjt18 said:
You make a good point but it isn't a singular coach nor have I said that Jones won't end up better than Freeze.

Back to what I HAVE in fact said that started the attacks (most of them personal). Jones is responsible for building the roster. Do you dispute that? The RB position is thin with only one returning letterman on the roster. Dispute that? Two recruiting classes was enough to have at least two or 3 returning lettermen. Is that too "radically negative" to swallow?
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I do not dispute Jones is in charge of building the roster. I think he's done a good job. Two 5 star backs in the back field is pretty good. The Vols have not had 3 good backs unless you go back to when TS had to ride the pine primarily until his senior season.

I dispute that it's thin. Yea, wording it as one returning letterman makes it sound thin. If you paint the full scope though you would add a JC 5 star transfer and a 5th year senior who is familiar with the staff and playbook. Last season we had more than 1 returning letterman, would you not agree this year's backs trump last year?

I also dispute your premise about the 2 full recruiting classes. You're visibly slanting it to make your argument. One guy punched a chick in the snoz. He could have not kicked him off the team I guess? More depth. Another guy quit because he was soft(imo) and saw he wasn't going to get playing time. Add in 2 more freshmen and a Berry athlete and the depth is not as thin as you propose.

Again, which position depth chart of ours would you swap for Ole Miss right now?
 
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UTVOLKeith said:
This bothers me more than any other position. Butch has had time to build this up but we're as thin as you can get even with no injuries.

Third string RB is not even on campus yet and he's not an every down back.
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as thin as we were in talent when Butch took over it is impossible to build up the depth this soon. some positions are going to be lacking in appropriate depth. Running back is not the only one. Linebacker, quarterback, offensive line, punter... lots of position groups still behind where they need to be
 
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Hopefully our 3rd back can accomplish what Tom Smith did as the 3rd back in 2013 with 24 carries for 95 yards. Or in 2014 Justus Pickett and his 22 carries for 64 yards at the vital number 3 spot.

OH DEAR JESUS! WHO WILL BE OUR 9NTH STRING RB!!!!!
 
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LWSVOL said:
as thin as we were in talent when Butch took over it is impossible to build up the depth this soon. some positions are going to be lacking in appropriate depth. Running back is not the only one. Linebacker, quarterback, offensive line, punter... lots of position groups still behind where they need to be
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While not where we want to be roster-wise, we still have more talent, depth and experience overall than a majority of the other SEC teams. Perhaps only Bama, LSU, Auburn and Georgia are overall better roster-wise than Tennessee IMHO.
 
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allVOL-allDAY said:
We need more depth but it's not as bad as you're making it out to be. We have Hurd and Kamara, with Joseph young, John Kelly and the Abernathy kid behind them. I think we will be okay but need 2 RB's in this next class.
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Joc Bruce and Vincent Perry will more than likely get a look at RB as well. I also would not be shocked if Evan Berry gets some reps against Bowling Green. Agree more depth is needed, but not like the past three years.
 
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Yes, because every team has 4-5 stud running backs in their program....REALLY? even bama most years has 2, and one of those is relied on heavily.
 
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I imagine my sjt 18 as a terrible lawyer who comes on here to argue with people to make up for the fact he's a public defender. Look everybody, he's a right fighter. My suggestion is to move along cause he adds nothing to our knowledge of UT other than it shows how stupid some of our very large fan base can actually be. Anyone that doesn't understand we are better now than when had fooley is simply a really blind imbecile. I will be blocking 18 since I don't have time for so much stupidity in my life. Goodluck to all of you in your quest to prove to him that it's not as bad as he wants to make it.
 
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TNnative said:
Joc Bruce and Vincent Perry will more than likely get a look at RB as well. I also would not be shocked if Evan Berry gets some reps against Bowling Green. Agree more depth is needed, but not like the past three years.
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They've come out and said pretty definitively that Evan is staying at safety.

I actually heard one of the Tennessee "pundits" (Mathews or Hubbs or Swain, don't recall which) say that Micah Abernathy, though projected as a college DB, was primarily an outstanding RB in highschool and that if the coaches felt they needed additional RB help, that he might possibly get a serious look at running back, at least in the short term.

Agree you about Bruce, who tweeted out that he WOULD be playing RB at UT, and Perry as well, about getting shots at running back.
 
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I just dont see how you could ever complain about depth looking at our rb's. It is as good or deep as Georgia's? No, but there isnt another team in the country that is. We have two elite rb's followed by some young kids with some talent. When I look at depth concerns on our team, the rb position is looking much better than the rest.
 
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