Not happy with RB depth

[sjt18]

I understand now,

No. You really don't and won't until you drop your bias and actually read and reason.

you don't exactly know how this football and scholarship thing works. There were 32 young men signed with the 2014 class. Even with taking all 32, there is still an 85 scholarship limit. So how do you work around the 85 scholarship limit? It must be nice to live in the matrix where you write the rules as you go. In the real world, we can't do that. Hell, he even had to blueshirt three young men with this class to get more players. You just can't sign as many players as you can until you run out of ink.

Case in point. All I said was that he was responsible for managing who gets one of the 85 scholarships. Rather than deal with that simple point, you construct this straw man. You should stop making crap up and start dealing with the issues straight on.

 

[sjt18]

And you wonder why most think you come off as a narcissistic prick. Most do understand this, contrary to what you have running around in that big head of yours.

Well then... why do they continually ACT as if there was no way Jones could have known? Why aren't you sharing some of your vitriol with them? Who is the narcissistic pr--k? The one who simply states something that others are apparently ignoring or the one who presumes to speak for "most"? The one who answers people directly with reason or those that going into an emotional spin and start the name-calling and condescending "your not a real fan" stuff?

People who know me in real life... would laugh at what you wrote here.

 

[butchna]

I remember a poster who frequently used the words "courage" and "dishonesty" whilst espousing basically a one man argument that Nate Peterman was "leagues" better than Josh Dobbs. One of his most enthusiastic opponents in that (non)debate seemed to take plenty of strategy notes and is regularly utilizing them in American Pig's honor. Here's to you ole hard headed no point making self-deluded pioneer of unrealistic standards! :salute:

 

[TheDirector]

This bothers me more than any other position. Butch has had time to build this up but we're as thin as you can get even with no injuries.

Third string RB is not even on campus yet and he's not an every down back.

I am way more concerned about the Offensive Line. They are still a year away from having the experience and depth to compete for an SEC title. Few teams have two running backs as good as we do.

 

[smokey0625]

To the contrary, I think he's doing the best he can to react now. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem or that different judgment calls over the past 3 years wouldn't have yielded a better result.

Kamara certainly looks like a great compliment to Hurd. Kelly looks like a quality player.

And... they demonstrated last year that they could manage the RB position and get production with Hurd and Lane. Lane didn't play at an SEC level last year... so basically they did it with one guy... a Fr.

Dude. Maybe I shouldn't respond to every attack response... but don't pretend that I'm the one that turned this into an all against one argument.

And that's precisely why it is not "dumb". That is a KNOWN challenge.

But it won't happen without players either. And FTR, he produced some really good RB's at Cincy.

Check again. I wasn't the one that brought Dooley up.

He didn't start at ground zero... and I haven't said that he had to produce a championship this year. He has had enough time however to have more than one returning RB.

But I'm not. Last year they had 3 DT's who took almost every snap. This year they'll have at least 5 SEC caliber "bodies" at the DT position. To his great credit, Jones has gone from McCullers to O Wms and Vickers who are apparently two of the strongest guys around and play with energy... not to mention the two Fr.

My concern with the RB position is that you have Hurd, Kamara, and then a huge drop in pure athletic ability to the next guy. Other positions would get younger... but the talent drop off wouldn't be that much.

I'm calm. Please convey that sentiment to those who start their responses with things like "Who are you, Dooley?" or "Doofus defenders..."

You don't understand. Best bet, listen to Doug Mathews and start to learn football. You just want to be right and you could care less if other people are as long as you can say that you are right.

 

[BearCat204]

Well then... why do they continually ACT as if there was no way Jones could have known? Why aren't you sharing some of your vitriol with them? Who is the narcissistic pr--k? The one who simply states something that others are apparently ignoring or the one who presumes to speak for "most"? The one who answers people directly with reason or those that going into an emotional spin and start the name-calling and condescending "your not a real fan" stuff?

People who know me in real life... would laugh at what you wrote here.

You think way too highly of yourself. You have always been incapable of simple debate on things here. Some people just dont see it the way you do and if they dont, you mercifully come down from the treetops to remind them of who you are.

 

[bbaker3119]

opcorn:

 

[orangebloodgmc]

"Can't we all just get along?" -- R. King

:huggy: :toast:

 

[Volfan2012]

Abernathy is a solid player with experience. Then we have a couple freshmen who could help if needed. We go five deep there and Evan Berry could also backup at that position if things got serious. Right now looks like Hurd, Kamara, Abernathy, Kelly.

 

[LittleVol]

Abernathy is a solid player with experience. Then we have a couple freshmen who could help if needed. We go five deep there and Evan Berry could also backup at that position if things got serious. Right now looks like Hurd, Kamara, Abernathy, Kelly.

Kelly or Joe Young will see carries beforw him.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

If I recall correctly Harbaugh/Michigan wanted Kelly really bad and we beat them out. This leads me to believe that perhaps Kelly is not quite the chump that many on this board are making him out to be. He might actually be pretty good.

He's the guy that Butc wanted. That's good enough for me.

 

[MustafaRasta]

Which part is insane? The part about UT returning only one scholarship RB in Jones' 3rd year or that Jones is responsible for recruiting and managing the roster. Or maybe the "insane-o" part was expecting more than 1 RB to return after a couple of recruiting classes?

Freeze filled them sufficiently well to go from 2 wins to 7 in his first year then 9 in his 3rd year while being highly ranked and considered a serious contender for the West... and, oh year, he beat two ranked teams in year 2 (LSU, VU) and 3 in his 3rd year to include handing Bama their only loss.
Who has improved results the fastest?

I'll get back to you when Ole Miss wins four games this year. It was not a race to see who gets their the fastest. I was under the impression Butch was building the program. To me, looking over the Ole Miss roster it does look like BJ has done the better job.

Besides are we not talking about depth? You didn't address their lack of depth at all after using it as your measuring stick against Jones.

Be intellectually honest.

 

[MustafaRasta]

Well then... why do they continually ACT as if there was no way Jones could have known? Why aren't you sharing some of your vitriol with them? Who is the narcissistic pr--k? The one who simply states something that others are apparently ignoring or the one who presumes to speak for "most"? The one who answers people directly with reason or those that going into an emotional spin and start the name-calling and condescending "your not a real fan" stuff?

People who know me in real life... would laugh at what you wrote here.

People who know me in real life would call me a narcissistic pr--k.

 

[EZE]

I'll get back to you when Ole Miss wins four games this year. It was not a race to see who gets their the fastest. I was under the impression Butch was building the program. To me, looking over the Ole Miss roster it does look like BJ has done the better job.

Besides are we not talking about depth? You didn't address their lack of depth at all after using it as your measuring stick against Jones.

Be intellectually honest.

And this is his biggest shortcoming.

 

[Nashvegas31]

This bothers me more than any other position. Butch has had time to build this up but we're as thin as you can get even with no injuries.

Third string RB is not even on campus yet and he's not an every down back.

Let's not mention the fact that he has brought in 2 5 star Backs. Let's only worry about why he doesn't have a 6th string tailback.

2 5 stars in Hurd and Kamara getting bulk carries.

He steals Kelly right from under Harbaughs nose at Michigan. Harbaughs had kelly as top instate athlete on his board. He is only listed as athlete because he can play both corner and rb really well. He will be a rb here.

He gets Young to blueshirt

Then RDA his back from Cincy comes over. That's 5.

Looks a lot better than before Butchs days

 

[JC61]

now wait just a cotton-picking minute....I thought we needed to pass more :blink:

 

[EZE]

I'll get back to you when Ole Miss wins four games this year. It was not a race to see who gets their the fastest. I was under the impression Butch was building the program. To me, looking over the Ole Miss roster it does look like BJ has done the better job.

Besides are we not talking about depth? You didn't address their lack of depth at all after using it as your measuring stick against Jones.

Be intellectually honest.

Exactly. He keeps bringing up Ole Miss as the gold standard, but no sane person could think Ole Miss has a perfect roster. In fact, it is far from it and not as good as what we have in Knoxville in my opinion.

 

[sjt18]

You don't understand. Best bet, listen to Doug Mathews and start to learn football. You just want to be right and you could care less if other people are as long as you can say that you are right.

I care very much if others are "right". Not many people here ever publicly admit they were wrong about anything. I have on several occasions. If you use reason and facts to prove you have a better opinion, I absolutely guarantee that I'll adopt your point of view. But most of those arguing with me don't even attempt that. BIG tip of the hat to Mustafa in that regard. They just see me suggest that Jones doesn't walk on water (at least not all of the time) and start attacking me personally for "offending" them personally with my horrid suggestion that facts matter and exist.


Imagine someone who fell into a pit someone else dug. The guy devises a plan to climb out using roots and rocks and crevices. As he climbs, everyone once in a while he grabs a loose root or loses his footing and slides back. He's made good progress and the plan appears to be working. But DON'T pretend that the setbacks and backslides haven't occurred OR that they don't present a real danger to the whole plan. The plan and each decision to grab hold to something belongs to the climber. That's where Jones is.

I'm rooting for him. I think he's done a good job overall. I won't ignore the slips.

Jones to my knowledge has NEVER run from the responsibility that others get so upset with me for pointing to. He acknowledges shortcomings and would probably admit that his plan for RB to this point hasn't been as successful as he hoped for.

There are some here who just can't deal with anything that is remotely "negative". They can't even agree with JONES about him being responsible for everything including the shortcomings.

 

[sjt18]

You think way too highly of yourself. You have always been incapable of simple debate on things here. Some people just dont see it the way you do and if they dont, you mercifully come down from the treetops to remind them of who you are.

And what do you think you're doing? I made a statement. Got attacked for not toeing the party line. Responded to some of those attacks and generally by trying to stay remotely on the issue. It isn't about
reminding anyone who I am... For that matter, who do you THINK I am? I'm a Vol fan posting on a message board that enjoys challenging the opinions of others AND having them challenge mine if they do it rationally without all of the personal non-sense that's been thrown at me by you and others.

Then... you come along and lecture me about how bad a person I am for refusing to agree with opinions that don't seem very well reasoned or supported with facts... and some that are contrary to the facts?

When have you actually attempted "simple debate"? Your whole deal here seems to be to make yourself look heroic.

 

[sjt18]

Abernathy is a solid player with experience. Then we have a couple freshmen who could help if needed. We go five deep there and Evan Berry could also backup at that position if things got serious. Right now looks like Hurd, Kamara, Abernathy, Kelly.

I was kind of hoping that they'd move Berry but his spring at Safety would seem to make that a move only of last resort.

Jones and Bajakian did a great job of managing the run game with effectively one SEC quality RB last year and a very suspect OL.

It IS thin but hopefully they'll manage it well again.

 

[615vols]

Trying to blame butch for thin rb depth is laughable. He brought in two 5* backs , who will be in the backfield this year. He also landed paulk, who was booted for punching a female,
As well as 4* derrell Scott, who was unhappy and went back to his home state i believe. Losing those two seems out of butch's control to me. He also signed kelly, who will be here this summer. We are better not only at rb, but just about every position on the roster in only two full classes.

 

[callmecrockett]

Tavien Feaster flips to UT by signing day 2016. You heard it here first.

 

[BearCat204]

Then... you come along and lecture me about how bad a person I am for refusing to agree with opinions that don't seem very well reasoned or supported with facts... and some that are contrary to the facts?

When have you actually attempted "simple debate"? Your whole deal here seems to be to make yourself look heroic.

Completely missing it still. It's exhausting honestly trying to point it out to you.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Trying to blame butch for thin rb depth is laughable. He brought in two 5* backs , who will be in the backfield this year. He also landed paulk, who was booted for punching a female,
As well as 4* derrell Scott, who was unhappy and went back to his home state i believe. Losing those two seems out of butch's control to me. He also signed kelly, who will be here this summer. We are better not only at rb, but just about every position on the roster in only two full classes.

Nope. According to an unnamed poster. Butch should've known they both would leave. How would he have known? I don't know...the poster doesn't know either, but that hasn't stopped him from pointing it out.

 

[Other_Guy]

Just signed Young today....There you go a ** RB Diamond in the Rough. Blueshirt. Check the article about the ***** star vs the **** star vs the *** star vs the ** star and which ones seem to get into the NFL more often. This kid is a ** star but who knows the evaluation process on the National level can't rate them all accurately.

Why the blue font?