Not Going to Have "Thugs"? Wha?

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Boys I hate to tell everyone but we are all slaves. Slaves to a system, God, or likewise. The term thug is a word, that's all it is just like the "n word". Yes it a negative term but so is " no". A person should be able to decipher what cdt was implying nothing racist about it. Why can't we all just get along and put hatred where it belongs on the Makers of bugles. Their like crack
 
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jspvol76 said:
Just to be clear, the OP brought racism into it.
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Yeah I said he brought up the topic, but some people refuse to acknowledge it as a valid point. It is a valid point, but Tyndall certainly did not seem to consciously imply any racist connotations, just a poor choice of words (and I think OP would agree with that too).
 
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SayNoToJorts said:
Tyndall using thug in his first press conference is simply more evidence that the term thug is not racist. No matter how much the Shermanator wants it to be.
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I think this was what Tyndall was referring to and in simple summary, a person who does not follow moral guidelines that are common to most people...
thug
member of a well-organized confederacy of professional assassins who traveled in gangs throughout India for several hundred years. (The earliest authenticated mention of the thugs is found in Ziya'-ud-Din Barani, History of Firuz Shah, dated about 1356.) The thugs would insinuate themselves into the confidence of wayfarers and, when a favourable opportunity presented itself, strangle them by throwing a handkerchief or noose around their necks. They then plundered and buried them. All this was done according to certain ancient and rigidly prescribed forms and after the performance of special religious rites, in which the consecration of the pickax and the sacrifice of sugar formed a prominent part. Although the thugs traced their origin to seven Muslim tribes, Hindus appear to have been associated with them at an early period; at any rate, their religious creed and practices as worshipers of Kali, the Hindu goddess of destruction, showed no influence of Islam. The fraternity possessed a jargon of its own (Ramasi) and signs by which its members recognized each other.
 
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GAVol said:
I don't get why this is so hard to understand. Nobody thinks he's racist. They just think he could have worded it better based on who was listening.
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I get it now. It's Coach Donnie's fault, not the people listening, who changed the meaning of a word that has had no historical racial context. Maybe Coach Donnie needs to attend racial sensitivity training to get his mind right.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I get it now. It's Coach Donnie's fault, not the people listening, who changed the meaning of a word that has had no historical racial context. Maybe Coach Donnie needs to attend racial sensitivity training to get his mind right.
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Whether you like it or not, meanings, associations, and attached connotations of words change over time. From thug, to ******, to ***, etc.
 
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The Lone Ranger was out riding around in the desert when suddenly he was set upon by a band of Indians. As he was trespassing on their land, they took him back to their camp. They then tied him to a post and their chief exclaimed that they would burn him at the stake come sunup.

The Lone Ranger asked the chief if he would grant him a last request. After thinking about it, the chief said that this would be okay. So, the Lone Ranger, whistled for his horse, Silver, who trotted up to him. As all eyes were upon the strange sight, the Lone Ranger whispered in the horse’s ears. After but a moment, Silver the horse nickered, and then took off for the relative safety of the desert. Everyone watched as he galloped away in a cloud of dust.... With a shout, all the Indians began dancing wildly around the Lone Ranger, adding more pieces of wood to his as yet unlit pyre as they gyrated and whooped around the circle. This went on all night long.

As the sun broke in the horizon and the first light of day lit both prairie and the Indian encampment, the chief gave another bark of command and the dancing came to a standstill....

“It is time,” he said. “Time to punish you for desecrating our land.”

The Lone Ranger stared on intently, preparing himself for what was to come.

Suddenly, from the outer edge of the encampment, a disturbance arose as Silver returned, riding back at full gallop. This time, however, he was not alone. Riding on his back was a voluptuous woman, her long, blonde hair flowing behind her in the breeze.

Nobody moved as both woman and horse strode up to the Lone Ranger. All remained quiet in order to hear what was said. Only the Lone Ranger, who was slowly shaking his head, displayed any emotion.

With an exasperated sigh, he looked up at Silver and admonished, “I said posse, POSSE!
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Whether you like it or not, meanings, associations, and attached connotations of words change over time. From thug, to ******, to ***, etc.
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And men grow vaginas over time apparently also. Those are the only offended at thug, the mentally weak who table fold to anything.
 
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Burger said:
And men grow vaginas over time apparently also. Those are the only offended at thug, the mentally weak who table fold to anything.
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I would argue that those who refuse to acknowledge the connotations of derogatory terminology should be considered "mentally weak."
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I would argue that those who refuse to acknowledge the connotations of derogatory terminology should be considered "mentally weak."
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I don't see how it is derogatory. Any race can be a thug not just blacks. It sounds like you're equating a word to a race. Just because jacksonians want it to be offensive doesn't mean it is.

Why should we let the extreme left determine connotations? This is as stupid as *****ing about the lack of AA baseball players.

Are you familiar with the Mafia days? Those guys were thugs.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I would argue that those who refuse to acknowledge the connotations of derogatory terminology should be considered "mentally weak."
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I would argue that if would if you equate the word thug to a race of people, then you are a racist. I hope that they don't change the meaning of the word "dog." People like you will have to make a run on cats.
 
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Burger said:
I don't see how it is derogatory. Any race can be a thug not just blacks. Just because jacksonians want it to be offensive doesn't mean it is.

Why should we let the extreme left determine connotations? This is as stupid as *****ing about the lack of AA baseball players.
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"Thug" certainly seems like it's become synonymous with "******." That's obviously subjective, but it's undeniable that a viable portion of the US population see it that way.

However, that's neither here nor there, as Tyndall seemed like he was just saying there won't be any off-court issues or run ins with police. I don't think anyone said Tyndall was being a racist by using the word; the OP just brought it up, and in typical VN fashion, everyone accused him of labeling Tyndall as racist.

I don't really care to argue about it anymore. If you disagree, that's fine, but I just hope you can gather the empathy and respect to acknowledge the impact derogatory terms. The great thing about America is that you can say or think anything you want, and I would rather everyone have that option than to prohibit any words. I just don't see what's so difficult about refraining from using them and showing some respect to your fellow man.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I would argue that those who refuse to acknowledge the connotations of derogatory terminology should be considered "mentally weak."
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When Tupac got that "thug life" tatted on his chest, did the rest of the world label him a bigot?

I'm just trying to figure this out. Is the word itself bad? Or is it only bad for whiteys to use it?
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
"Thug" certainly seems like it's become synonymous with "******." That's obviously subjective, but it's undeniable that a viable portion of the US population see it that way.

However, that's neither here nor there, as Tyndall seemed like he was just saying there won't be any off-court issues or run ins with police. I don't think anyone said Tyndall was being a racist by using the word; the OP just brought it up, and in typical VN fashion, everyone accused him of labeling Tyndall as racist.

I don't really care to argue about it anymore. If you disagree, that's fine, but I just hope you can gather the empathy and respect to acknowledge the impact derogatory terms. The great thing about America is that you can say or think anything you want, and I would rather everyone have that option than to prohibit any words. I just don't see what's so difficult about refraining from using them and showing some respect to your fellow man.
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There is also an undeniable part of the US population that are idiots. These idiots are making up connotations to fit their political needs despite history contradicting them.
I don't use real racist terms at all, and I laugh at blacks that use the word "nigga". I use the word thugs to describe the MS13 gang ( the biggest gang in the world who are from El Salvador ), Marshall Henderson, the Russian, Chinese, Japanese mobs, the Sicilian mob, and may I keep going?

Am I racist now since I went across the board to describe nonblack thugs? Am I racist against my own itallians for calling their mobs thugs?

You're just believing the propaganda circulated to try to "take down" the white man circulated by Jesse and his buddies.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
"Thug" certainly seems like it's become synonymous with "******." That's obviously subjective, but it's undeniable that a viable portion of the US population see it that way.

However, that's neither here nor there, as Tyndall seemed like he was just saying there won't be any off-court issues or run ins with police. I don't think anyone said Tyndall was being a racist by using the word; the OP just brought it up, and in typical VN fashion, everyone accused him of labeling Tyndall as racist.

I don't really care to argue about it anymore. If you disagree, that's fine, but I just hope you can gather the empathy and respect to acknowledge the impact derogatory terms. The great thing about America is that you can say or think anything you want, and I would rather everyone have that option than to prohibit any words. I just don't see what's so difficult about refraining from using them and showing some respect to your fellow man.
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If that "fellow man" is a thug, he doesn't deserve respect. If he isn't a thug, he should take no offense.
 
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