Not Going to Have "Thugs"? Wha?

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#52
What? Thug is the new n word? What that means to me is a new cool word to say amongst themselves that is off limits to white people.
 
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This thread is a direct reflection on how far we as a society have come regarding political correctness and overanalyzation of usage/context in regards to a select handful of man made terms. Over the course of our history, words have evolved along with their meanings. As a society, we've done that to ourselves to either fill our agendas, mask an underlying opinion, or ignore/discredit a terms purpose.

Perfect topic for debate for those that have very little to do of any importance other than read their own posts. Yall have fun.
 
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Burger said:
PC stuff is ruining our country. It needs to go. It's causing people who shoot it straight to get misinterpreted because of someone's bias.
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The problem is that language always has different meaning based on perspective. In communication it never matters what words mean to you. It only matters what words mean to your audience.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If you want to talk about "racist" words, reverse racism is probably the most racist term known to man.

It's a bs term used to excuse the racism of African Americans.

Further more, I've heard 100x more blacks refer to other blacks as being "ghetto" than I have any white person. So if there's a great racial word war going on in our nation, it must be a black on black civil war.
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OK if that's what you want to think. This isn't the political forum so I'm not going to debate. We all believe what we believe. Debating on a message board won't change what either of us thinks.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
This thread is a direct reflection on how far we as a society have come regarding political correctness and overanalyzation of usage/context in regards to a select handful of man made terms. Over the course of our history, words have evolved along with their meanings. As a society, we've done that to ourselves to either fill our agendas, mask an underlying opinion, or ignore/discredit a terms purpose.

Perfect topic for debate for those that have very little to do of any importance other than read their own posts. Yall have fun.
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The only thing worse than self important people are self important people that tell people they're self important people.
 
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Thug vs. the "n" word:

"When debating the badness of two words, if you won't even say one of the words, that's the worst word"

John Mulaney on the word midget vs the n word.
 
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k-town_king said:
OK if that's what you want to think. This isn't the political forum so I'm not going to debate. We all believe what we believe. Debating on a message board won't change what either of us thinks.
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So you do not believe black people are capable of racism?
 
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the coach's job is to get players, primarily black, to come play for him at TN. It doesn't matter what you personally think of the word or how outraged you are over "PC culture" or any other ridiculousness. All that matters is whether it could hurt him in his pursuit of black student-athletes. IMO it could and I would have preferred him to choose his words a bit more carefully
 
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My point, I guess, is NOT that Tyndall is a racist. I don't think he is. I don't think people who use the word are consciously racist. I don't.

But many people--no matter the race--hear racism--blatant or not--in that comment. I think it would be smart for the head of our basketball program to avoid using that word because I imagine most people he's targeting don't take it the way CDT means it.

Again: Richard Sherman, NFL players talk about race at Harvard | Seahawks | The Seattle Times

"That discussion took him to Harvard, along with former NFL Players Association President Domonique Foxworth, Houston Texans running back Arian Foster and Arizona Cardinals receiver Larry Fitzgerald. They gave two talks, one at the business school that was supposed to be about social media that quickly veered into a discussion of race; the other, to undergraduates in historic Harvard Yard, was introduced as, "The Modern Black Male Athlete."

Both were packed with a standing-room crowd. A handful of attendees wore Seahawks jerseys or hats.

Sherman said he thought "thug" was just a more acceptable way of slurring black people; he's never heard it used for whites or Asians, he said."


2) Richard Sherman Is Right: Thug Is the New N-World - The Daily Beast

"Say what you will about Richard Sherman, the outspoken cornerback for the Seattle Seahawks, he’s right that the word “thug” has become an “accepted way of calling somebody the N-word.” You saw it, for instance, during the Trayvon Martin controversy, where defenders of the shooter, George Zimmerman, were quick to label Martin a “dangerous thug” for ordinary teenage behavior, like cursing or smoking marijuana."

3) Jon Stewart: Richard Sherman's a Thug, But Justin Bieber and Rob Ford Aren't? (Video) - TheWrap

"Jon Stewart wonders why the news media seems to treat two Canadians accused of violence as naughty scamps, while dismissing a Stanford-educated athlete as a “thug.”

It couldn't have anything to do with race, could it?"

4) http://www.nolandalla.com/thug-******-richard-sherman/

5) Don't call him a thug and 4 other things to know about Richard Sherman - CNN.com

Just google it: it's 1000 pages deep on this subject. I can't imagine some recruits didn't hear it, and go "Whoa." Now, maybe, we don't want recruits who are "Sensitive" or "get their panties in a wad" or whatever.

But, I heard it, and I thought, "oh boy."

Just wanted y'all's opinion on it.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Thug vs. the "n" word:

"When debating the badness of two words, if you won't even say one of the words, that's the worst word"

John Mulaney on the word midget vs the n word.
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Heard a guy the other day that basically said that we have enough problems being fragile human beings without conditioning our kids to have Pavlovian response to words.
 
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utvolpj said:
the coach's job is to get players, primarily black, to come play for him at TN. It doesn't matter what you personally think of the word or how outraged you are over "PC culture" or any other ridiculousness. All that matters is whether it could hurt him in his pursuit of black student-athletes. IMO it could and I would have preferred him to choose his words a bit more carefully
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Exactly. It's nitpicking and completely ridiculous, but it's the world we live in.
 
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GAVol said:
The problem is that language always has different meaning based on perspective. In communication it never matters what words mean to you. It only matters what words mean to your audience.
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Then to me, he used the word just fine. Based on the pics I posted previously, I don't want any of those thugs playing for UT. Not just because they look like that, but also because they probably suck at basketball.

:)
 
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volholio said:
Serious question here.

The Richard Sherman incident brought this term to the forefront of the sporting world's consciousness. In fact, Sherman wrote an article about it in the MMQB


Richard Sherman Explains What People Mean When They Call Him A "Thug"

Sherman--and most of the African American community and most of pundents--came to the conclusion that "thug" is the new "n-word."

Now: Is Tyndall a purposeful racist? I don't think so. I don't think most of the people that use "Thug" consider themselves racist. In fact, I know they don't.

Yet, it is mostly considered a racist term by African Americans. So, I'm not sure what to make of that, but it's something I noticed and cringed at when I heard him say it.

Thoughts?

Go Vals!
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There is a certain segment of the population who consider everything racist.
 
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vols 30 said:
I have no problem with what DT said. In fact, he should've been given a standing ovation when he said it.
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k-town_king said:
As to the "thug" thing. There are plenty of White people who use "thug" or "ghetto" as stand ins for the n word. That's not what Tyndall meant, but he should be more media savvy than to say that.
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My guess is that he was told to say the "thug" line to show UT fans that he is "one of us." I am guessing that there are more UT fans like vols30 than k-town_king, and this is the kind of thing they like to hear.

That said, Tyndall's statement is insulting to the current team and recruits. The unsaid implication is that thugs have been part of the team until Tyndall got here. So the statement will backfire among player and recruits, if it gets noticed. Same with the mispronunciation of "Cuonzo."
 
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volholio said:
Serious question here.

The Richard Sherman incident brought this term to the forefront of the sporting world's consciousness. In fact, Sherman wrote an article about it in the MMQB


Richard Sherman Explains What People Mean When They Call Him A "Thug"

Sherman--and most of the African American community and most of pundents--came to the conclusion that "thug" is the new "n-word."

Now: Is Tyndall a purposeful racist? I don't think so. I don't think most of the people that use "Thug" consider themselves racist. In fact, I know they don't.

Yet, it is mostly considered a racist term by African Americans. So, I'm not sure what to make of that, but it's something I noticed and cringed at when I heard him say it.

Thoughts?

Go Vals!
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Your post is laughable. Not racist but I wonder if you are.
 
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dal9 said:
My guess is that he was told to say the "thug" line to show UT fans that he is "one of us." I am guessing that there are more UT fans like vols30 than k-town_king, and this is the kind of thing they like to hear.

That said, Tyndall's statement is insulting to the current team and recruits. The unsaid implication is that thugs have been part of the team until Tyndall got here. So the statement will backfire among player and recruits, if it gets noticed. Same with the mispronunciation of "Cuonzo."
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Read much? :blink:
 
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I knew what he meant by using the term "thug". Trouble makers, guys seeking to break laws, use/sell drugs etc. For future reference though, I would just stay away from that term to avoid criticism
 
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volholio said:
My point, I guess, is NOT that Tyndall is a racist. I don't think he is. I don't think people who use the word are consciously racist. I don't.

But many people--no matter the race--hear racism--blatant or not--in that comment. I think it would be smart for the head of our basketball program to avoid using that word because I imagine most people he's targeting don't take it the way CDT means it.

Again: Richard Sherman, NFL players talk about race at Harvard | Seahawks | The Seattle Times

"That discussion took him to Harvard, along with former NFL Players Association President Domonique Foxworth, Houston Texans running back Arian Foster and Arizona Cardinals receiver Larry Fitzgerald. They gave two talks, one at the business school that was supposed to be about social media that quickly veered into a discussion of race; the other, to undergraduates in historic Harvard Yard, was introduced as, "The Modern Black Male Athlete."

Both were packed with a standing-room crowd. A handful of attendees wore Seahawks jerseys or hats.

Sherman said he thought "thug" was just a more acceptable way of slurring black people; he's never heard it used for whites or Asians, he said."


2) Richard Sherman Is Right: Thug Is the New N-World - The Daily Beast

"Say what you will about Richard Sherman, the outspoken cornerback for the Seattle Seahawks, he’s right that the word “thug” has become an “accepted way of calling somebody the N-word.” You saw it, for instance, during the Trayvon Martin controversy, where defenders of the shooter, George Zimmerman, were quick to label Martin a “dangerous thug” for ordinary teenage behavior, like cursing or smoking marijuana."

3) Jon Stewart: Richard Sherman's a Thug, But Justin Bieber and Rob Ford Aren't? (Video) - TheWrap

"Jon Stewart wonders why the news media seems to treat two Canadians accused of violence as naughty scamps, while dismissing a Stanford-educated athlete as a “thug.”

It couldn't have anything to do with race, could it?"

4) http://www.nolandalla.com/thug-******-richard-sherman/

5) Don't call him a thug and 4 other things to know about Richard Sherman - CNN.com

Just google it: it's 1000 pages deep on this subject. I can't imagine some recruits didn't hear it, and go "Whoa." Now, maybe, we don't want recruits who are "Sensitive" or "get their panties in a wad" or whatever.

But, I heard it, and I thought, "oh boy."

Just wanted y'all's opinion on it.
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It's an ethical debate IMO.

Do some racists use the term "thug", absolutely.

Does that mean the word thug should then be avoided by all non-blacks (because let's be honest, no black man will ever be accused of being racist for calling anyone a thug) so people don't freak out and jump to outrageous conclusions?

I would say no, but that's a decisions we all have to make for ourselves. If CDT decided to no longer use that term, I'd understand.
 
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These days the race card is not good enough , gotta throw the whole race deck and hope something sticks.
 
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