No More Tweeting for Donny

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Septic said:
I'm not inclined to argue what I saw with your feelings. You realize his involvement is literally why he's banned from all of these communication platforms, right?
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You’re right. People shouldn’t be accountable for their own actions. I guess we need to hold Maxine Waters accountable for any attacks on conservatives.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Nobody said you said that. I called you out because you made a dig on the other side that can be made about your guy. You're exactly the reason nothing ever gets fixed. Trump slang ******** for 4 years, ran up the debt, interfered with the economy, etc. And he did such a bad job that R's lost both houses of congress and the WH and he's given them every precedent and excuse they need to spend us into oblivion. The next 4 years are on you and your red hats almost as much as it's on the D's, and your trying to put it on me.
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These 10 charts show how the economy performed under Trump versus prior presidents

Prior to the pandemic, Trump was one of the most economically successful presidents in my lifetime, second only to Clinton. It's fair to have disdain for him because of his personality. But it's unfair to discard his successes.

During his 1st 3 years he was,

2nd - Job growth (Clinton 1st)
2nd - Change in Unemployment Rate (Clinton 1st)
1st - Median Income
2nd - Average Home Price (Clinton 1st)
1st - Average Food Prices
1st - Manufacturing Jobs Increase
2nd - Gross Domestic Product (Clinton 1st)

And Debt,

3rd - National Debt (Not far behind Clinton and G.W. Bush)

He didn't run up the debt until a time of crisis. Obama is the president who freely ran up the debt.
 
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NEO said:
You paid for the summer riots too. Sheesh.

The bills passed just now sent tax money to the states and cities and the local areas will raise property taxes to help rebuild and the insurance companies will increase premiums to spread the losses across the state.

Everyone will end up paying something whether they realize it or not.
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Except for all the jobless people who had all that extra time to "peacefully protest."
 
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Kristy* said:
These 10 charts show how the economy performed under Trump versus prior presidents

Prior to the pandemic, Trump was one of the most economically successful presidents in my lifetime, second only to Clinton. It's fair to have disdain for him because of his personality. But it's unfair to discard his successes.

During his 1st 3 years he was,

2nd - Job growth (Clinton 1st)
2nd - Change in Unemployment Rate (Clinton 1st)
1st - Median Income
2nd - Average Home Price (Clinton 1st)
1st - Average Food Prices
1st - Manufacturing Jobs Increase
2nd - Gross Domestic Product (Clinton 1st)

And Debt,

3rd - National Debt (Not far behind Clinton and G.W. Bush)

He didn't run up the debt until a time of crisis. Obama is the president who freely ran up the debt.
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You're handwaving away Trump's performance during a crisis, but you're conveniently ignoring the fact that Obama took over right in one of the worst parts of the GFC. You can clearly see by GW Bush's tail that Obama was taking over in what was already a severe and steady decline. If you compare Obama's second term, where he had the economy recovering, to Trump's first term, where he inherited Obama's growing economy, you'll see it's much closer. For example, in Trump's first 36 months, before the pandemic started, jobs were up 4.5% from the start of his term. From the start of Obama's second term (jobs up 0.9% from start of his first term) to 36 months after (jobs up 6.8% from the start of his first term), the change was about +5.8%.
 
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MontyPython said:
From what... every news site on the planet?

His bygone rhetoric is refreshing.
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You said you're glad you haven't seen a single tweet. All you had to do was block him and you won't see a single tweet. Unless you like supporting and reading articles about his tweets... Cause if that's the case then your exposure to his tweets are on you.

I rarely knew what he tweeted unless I went searching for it or I paid attention to those in media known to bitch about a tweet. It's not hard to make your own decisions on that. We shouldn't want twitter being the arbiter of your or my preferences on a macro level.

You're an adult. Act like one.
 
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Septic said:
Watching you whine about Donny not having a platform to further incite insurrection while blaming the 'dems' for loving China is an impressive amount of spin stuffed into one post.

Seriously, I'm impressed.
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I didnt mention Trump, you did. Funny how that works.
 
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luthervol said:
Just went back and found your answer.....not sure how I missed it.
Thanks, and well said.
I think most Trumpers are much more in agreement with your second part than with your first.

You would be hard pressed to find any liberal who agrees with intimidating innocent people, burning businesses, or murder.
Every liberal I know condemned these acts.
Trumpers claim the rioters represent BLM while non-Trumpers know that is completely false.
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I have liberal friends who condemned the Capitol riot while in the same breath excusing the BLM riots, saying they were for a cause. Colin Kapernick vocally encouraged the violence on Twitter and got a donation from them.
 
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Kristy* said:
I have liberal friends who condemned the Capitol riot while in the same breath excusing the BLM riots, saying they were for a cause. Colin Kapernick vocally encouraged the violence on Twitter and got a donation from them.
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I see the rioters as equally stupid, pathetic, and self loathing. I view the protestors completely differently, even though I see their right to protest as equal.
 
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luthervol said:
I don't mind calling it mostly peaceful if in fact it was mostly peaceful. I would also expect them to say the "non-peaceful" part was carried out rioters who should be charged and prosecuted.
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Did you see pictures of the Capitol protest?

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All these people didn't storm the Capitol. It was truly "mostly peaceful." That hasn't slowed the left media from only calling it a riot. They haven't acknowledged that most of the Trump supporters were there with good intentions just like most of the BLM protesters in the summer. It's a gross double standard.
 
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Kristy* said:
Did you see pictures of the Capitol protest?

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All these people didn't storm the Capitol. It was truly "mostly peaceful." That hasn't slowed the left media from only calling it a riot. They haven't acknowledged that most of the Trump supporters were there with good intentions just like most of the BLM protesters in the summer. It's a gross double standard.
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Sure they have said most of the people there were peaceful. I've heard it said multiple times.
It's the right wing media saying there is a double standard. Did the right wing media point out their own double standard?
 
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Serene said:
You're handwaving away Trump's performance during a crisis, but you're conveniently ignoring the fact that Obama took over right in one of the worst parts of the GFC. You can clearly see by GW Bush's tail that Obama was taking over in what was already a severe and steady decline. If you compare Obama's second term, where he had the economy recovering, to Trump's first term, where he inherited Obama's growing economy, you'll see it's much closer. For example, in Trump's first 36 months, before the pandemic started, jobs were up 4.5% from the start of his term. From the start of Obama's second term (jobs up 0.9% from start of his first term) to 36 months after (jobs up 6.8% from the start of his first term), the change was about +5.8%.
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My post wasn't to blast Obama but rather to give Trump credit for improving the economy. And he did so WITHOUT crushing the national debt, unlike Obama.
 
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luthervol said:
Sure they have said most of the people there were peaceful. I've heard it said multiple times.
It's the right wing media saying there is a double standard. Did the right wing media point out their own double standard?
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Funny, I haven't heard that said at all. I've heard along the lines of "like nothing we've seen before." It's worse than media amnesia. It's dishonest and instigative.
 
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Kristy* said:
Funny, I haven't heard that said at all. I've heard along the lines of "like nothing we've seen before." It's worse than media amnesia. It's dishonest and instigative.
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That is funny because as I said, I've heard it on every piece. But they are 100% accurate when they say "like nothing we've seen before."
 
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Septic said:
Shoes is on the other foot, eh?

Should the baker be forced to make the gay wedding cake? Either private businesses can do business with who they want or they can't. Pick a lane.
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IMO, no. But they have been by the courts. The Dems want their cake and to eat it too.

Honestly, a more fair comparison though would be to not make a cake for Nick Saban, because you don't think he's a nice guy and you don't like Alabama football. They're singling out a person they don't agree with and refusing him service.
 
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Kristy* said:
My post wasn't to blast Obama but rather to give Trump credit for improving the economy. And he did so WITHOUT crushing the national debt, unlike Obama.
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Fair point about not trying to attack Obama, I'm just saying that Trump's numbers appearing great are largely due to the state and trajectory of the economy when he took office. And I'm not saying that just about Trump--that's how it works for all presidents. If a president takes over in a good economic period, his numbers will look good. If a president takes over in a decline, it will take time to turn around and their overall numbers will suffer from that. And president can obviously affect the economy in relatively important ways, but it's also important to realize that they don't have the only impact. For example, Trump's numbers look atrocious right now, but that's obviously mostly the pandemic (you can argue that it could have been handled differently, but I don't think you can really argue that there was any way to avoid a large financial impact).

As far as debt goes, that was exactly part of my point. Look at Obama's debt numbers for his second term--he started the term at a Debt:GDP ratio 27.1% higher than the start of his first term, and 3 years later had a Debt:GDP ratio of 30.8% higher than the start of his first term. That's a 2.9% increase over the timeframe. In Trump's first three years after inheriting "Obama's economy", he had a 3.2% increase in Debt:GDP, so very comparable. If you want to complain about the big increase in the first term from financial bailouts to try to prevent economic collapse, then I don't see how you can just ignore the huge jump from Trump's own crisis.

That's not to say that Obama is "better" than Trump in this regard--ideally both should have seen decreases in debt during good economic times, not slight increases. Good fiscal responsibility should be practiced by both sides of the aisle, and unfortunately for the last couple of decades it's not practiced by anyone.
 
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utvols88 said:
You said you're glad you haven't seen a single tweet. All you had to do was block him and you won't see a single tweet. Unless you like supporting and reading articles about his tweets... Cause if that's the case then your exposure to his tweets are on you.

I rarely knew what he tweeted unless I went searching for it or I paid attention to those in media known to bitch about a tweet. It's not hard to make your own decisions on that. We shouldn't want twitter being the arbiter of your or my preferences on a macro level.

You're an adult. Act like one.
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Clearly, you don't read news online at all. On any given day, EVERY reputable news outlet (CNN, FOX, ABC, etc.) published articles that quote Trump's tweets in part or their entirety verbatim.

Sorry for the "big words" I threw in there, but hopefully you'll get the gist of it (that means "understand" btw).
 
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#799
MontyPython said:
Clearly, you don't read news online at all. On any given day, EVERY reputable news outlet (CNN, FOX, ABC, etc.) published articles that quote Trump's tweets in part or their entirety verbatim.

Sorry for the "big words" I threw in there, but hopefully you'll get the gist of it (that means "understand" btw).
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Then stop obsessing over the news. Stop rewarding them for doing what you hate. I don't run around hoping Shaun King gets booted over twitter or Hillary or Pelosi. Its because I'm an adult and can handle not paying attention to it. Apparently you need help with that. How sad.
 
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#800
utvols88 said:
Then stop obsessing over the news. Stop rewarding them for doing what you hate. I don't run around hoping Shaun King gets booted over twitter or Hillary or Pelosi. Its because I'm an adult and can handle not paying attention to it. Apparently you need help with that. How sad.
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Nah. Donald being muzzled like the naughty junkyard dog he is works better, thank you.
 
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