No more this about Barnes:

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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
He had the better team in all 3 ncaa games he coached, lost every one of em…great coach but it is what it is
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He coached in 4 NCAAT games.

The 1976 VMI team was one of the best teams that they ever had, King was out with an injury, and their best player played in the NBA.

The 1967 Dayton team went 4-1 in the NCAAT and lost in the championship game to UCLA.

I don’t get why some posters have to talk **** about UT after big wins. I’m guessing that they’re actually trolls. Trolls tend to include “Vols” in their screen names.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Doug Ashworth missed an uncontested, point blank layup in the final minute, plus King sat the entire game with a sprained thimb
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That VMI team had an NBA shooting guard and being a military school they were highly disciplined. That’s a challenging situation when the greatest player ever to play basketball at your school has to sit out with an injury.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
That VMI team had an NBA shooting guard and being a military school they were highly disciplined. That’s a challenging situation when the greatest player ever to play basketball at your school has to sit out with an injury.
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They certainly were a quality team. Better than the Miami team we just played
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
He coached in 4 NCAAT games.

The 1976 VMI team was one of the best teams that they ever had, King was out with an injury, and their best player played in the NBA.

The 1967 Dayton team went 4-1 in the NCAAT and lost in the championship game to UCLA.

I don’t get why some posters have to talk **** about UT after big wins. I’m guessing that they’re actually trolls. Trolls tend to include “Vols” in their screen names.
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Facts are facts...he's a great coach but the record is what it is. VMI was never ranked at any point in the season and was not a top 50 team according to multiple power ratings I have seen...here is one where they were ranked 103rd. Tennessee vastly superior even with King out and it's not an arguable point. Dayton was also, objectively, not as strong of a team as Tennessee that year. So I'm not sure how I've said anything that was factually untrue.

Syracuse is arguable and I won't try and convince you but the weight of evidence is that Tennessee was better going in and was likely favored to win. That's a really crappy draw by the way and I always have been curious about how they were set on matchups...blind draws?

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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
Mears was who I grew up with but he had chances and didn't do anything. How do you lose to VMI?
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VMI was a good team, and King was out. They beat Depaul in the next round to make the elite 8, and Depaul had multiple future NBA players as well. The Rutgers team that finally put VMI out had 4 future NBA players and was 31-1 when they played. There weren't bad teams in the field in those days.
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
Facts are facts...he's a great coach but the record is what it is. VMI was never ranked at any point in the season and was not a top 50 team according to multiple power ratings I have seen...here is one where they were ranked 103rd. Tennessee vastly superior even with King out and it's not an arguable point. Dayton was also, objectively, not as strong of a team as Tennessee that year. So I'm not sure how I've said anything that was factually untrue.

Syracuse is arguable and I won't try and convince you but the weight of evidence is that Tennessee was better going in and was likely favored to win. That's a really crappy draw by the way and I always have been curious about how they were set on matchups...blind draws?

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They were playing great to end the year and were on a 10 game winning streak to end their season, and the next year the same guys returned they were 26-3 entering the tournament where they also advanced and finished in the top 20.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
They were playing great to end the year and were on a 10 game winning streak to end their season, and the next year the same guys returned they were 26-3 entering the tournament where they also advanced and finished in the top 20.
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OK, find me an objective metric that has VMI as a top 40 team. They got in by winning their conference, same as 28-5 McNeese St did this year. It's like in 20 yrs someone is going to say, "that Miami team was really good...they were 31-1". Actually they weren't and all objective measure said as much. Schedule was a joke. 11-6 was their record heading into their conference tournament. Good lord.
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
OK, find me an objective metric that has VMI as a top 40 team. They got in by winning their conference, same as 28-5 McNeese St did this year.
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I can find my eyes and the fact that they went to the elite 8, beating multiple teams that had multiple future NBA players on them, while on a 10 game winning streak. That team, minus 1 senior from 75-76, was 36-4 over a 40 game stretch, and went to the Elite 8 and Sweet 16 in a 14 month period. But yeah, metrics.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Ha! We're not done yet. I know it's crazy, but we have a real shot this year.
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I believe this also. I think it depends entirely on Ament. He looked better Sunday but he seems timid at times and I’m sure the ankle is on his mind every time he touches the ball.
If he can be 75% of what we saw towards the end of regular season, and we can start hitting short 2/3 foot shots we have a great chance.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I can find my eyes and the fact that they went to the elite 8, beating multiple teams that had multiple future NBA players on them, while on a 10 game winning streak. That team, minus 1 senior from 75-76, was 36-4 over a 40 game stretch, and went to the Elite 8 and Sweet 16 in a 14 month period. But yeah, metrics.
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Sorta reminds me of those incredible St Peter's and George Mason teams...man were those teams TOUGH.

11-6 regular season. 11-6!!
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
Sorta reminds me of those incredible St Peter's and George Mason teams...man were those teams TOUGH.

11-6 regular season. 11-6!!
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No doubt we should have beat them. No one is arguing that. They did make the final 8 so they weren't some weakling, like many of the teams getting in now. Without King we should have beat their asses. If your point was that Mears couldn't get it done, then you are basing that opinion on an extremely small sample size
 
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Namorto1 said:
Barnes has been historical to be sure. But in all fairness when Ray Mears was coaching only 16 to 32 teams made the tournament. And Mears only coached a couple years when 32 teams were allowed. 3 SEC championships in 15 years with a .713 winning %.

Played much fewer games per year and never had a losing season. If there were 68 teams in the tourney during his tenure he would have made it in 14 out of 15 years.
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Yes! And we need to remember that the NCAA tournament was just overtaking the NIT at that time. The NIT was THE goal in the earlier days. Yeah, I'm getting old.
 
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wmcovol said:
One of the great stories about the difference in the tourney then vs today is Maryland, I believe in 1973, went undefeated thru the ACC, lost in the ACC Conference tournament championship in triple overtime to NC State & DIDNT GET IN THE NCAA due to 1 team per conference.
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I lived in the Raleigh area for about 35 years and people still talk about this. Maryland lost to 27-0 NC State in the 1973 ACC Tournament final but got to go to the NCAAs (and reached the Elite Eight) because the Wolfpack was on probation for buying David Thompson. The next year, Maryland lost by a point at UCLA and two close games to NC State in the regular season, and then lost the ACCT final in double overtime to the Wolfpack, 102-100. NC State was allowed back in the tournament and ended Wooden's dynasty by beating them in the Final Four--a showdown of the two best teams money could buy. Maryland, at worst the third-best team in the country, and the best team not blatantly cheating, stayed home.

They changed the one-bid-per-conference rule because of that Maryland team. In 1976, the final game pitted two Big Ten teams. But it was still just two bids per conference, the regular-season and tournament champions or second-place team if the same team won both, until either '79 or '80.
 
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It's pretty clear at this point that the all-time best Tennessee Men's Basketball Head Coaches ranking would be:

1) Rick Barnes
2) Bruce Pearl
3) Ray Mears

And there really isn't much debate about where any of them sit. I guess 4th would be a debate between Don DeVoe and John Mauer.

Rick Barnes is also the greatest coach in Texas history.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
It's pretty clear at this point that the all-time best Tennessee Men's Basketball Head Coaches ranking would be:

1) Rick Barnes
2) Bruce Pearl
3) Ray Mears

And there really isn't much debate about where any of them sit. I guess 4th would be a debate between Don DeVoe and John Mauer.

Rick Barnes is also the greatest coach in Texas history.
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Jerry Green and Devoe battling it out for 4th...Green took over from the 2 worst coaches that UT has had in the modern era and they came back to back. I give Green the edge because he took over a disaster and won 64% of his SEC games, higher than Barnes even I think. Devoe took over a strong program.
 
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VolFan_stuck_in_the_901 said:
DeVoe deserved better treatment towards the end of his Tennessee career IMO. But Doug Dickey didn't really care about Tennessee basketball, at least not enough to commit serious resources to it
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Doug didn’t have a clue how much Tennessee fans cared about basketball. Odd that TBA got built under his tenure. Despite its size, it was a sterile cave originally. I certainly wouldn’t have fired Devoe to hire Houston. If you look at the potential hires UT had as head coach over the years, it’s a pretty amazing group of coaches. How we wound up with Houston, O’Neil, Green and Buzz is a head scratcher.

Yes, Barnes is the best. Pearl would have done amazing things, but that’s another story.
 
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