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WildTurkey said:
We haven't seen eye to eye on everything, but your last couple of posts ITT are spot-on. Dobbs accuracy issues are a problem that likely won't be improved a ton, but we may be good enough to overcome it. Also - great analogy with Fulmer and loyalty to a fault. Really impressed with Butch and his willingness to make the change.
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Give me a chance... and don't believe everything you read. :)

We'll probably agree a lot. When we disagree, I'll always try to give the respect I get. If you ever think I'm not doing that then please call me on it.
 
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sjt18 said:
BTW, (and those of you who think I "hate" Jones please bookmark this)... Jones gets an absolute TON of credit here. It is never easy to tell someone that they no longer have a job. Even if you don't pity the person, the ripple effect always reaches and hurts others who don't deserve it. It is even worse to part ways with someone you care about and consider a friend.

I criticized Fulmer for letting his personal loyalty to certain individuals stand in the way of doing what was best for the program and everyone else in it. Jones deserves major, major props for putting the program ahead of even a close friend and work partner.
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Perfect post IMO (along with the one before too). It really is telling whether CJJ's off-field issues were out of line or not. Two coordinators in 2 years tells me that he at least has the willingness to make whatever changes needed to make it to the top.

I hope at some point soon we get to evaluate whether he is willing to make needed changes AFTER being at the top. :yes:
 
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Volsick said:
I heard Chip Kelly will be the new OC
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VolFanNC09 said:
Smoke screen for Gruden and Lovie Smith. They are on a plane now to Knoxvile....
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All these silly Gruden and Kelly quips be like....

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VolnJC said:
Shoop:
"called Sutton a premier CB
spoke highly of Barnett and JRM
building ships relationships and championships
got chills his first time in Neyland
Volwalk in Tampa was amazing
you build defense around players, not the other way around"
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Recall him mentioning TKjr and Kyle Phillips as well.
 
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WildTurkey said:
We haven't seen eye to eye on everything, but your last couple of posts ITT are spot-on. Dobbs accuracy issues are a problem that likely won't be improved a ton, but we may be good enough to overcome it. Also - great analogy with Fulmer and loyalty to a fault. Really impressed with Butch and his willingness to make the change.
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Don't be too sure about Dobbs not improving. We have seen definite improvement in the OL each year. If they can average giving him .5 to 1.5 seconds longer in the pocket next season, and the receiver can get better separation, that might result in better numbers.

Of course, if Dobbs can fit a visit to a QB clinic this summer when he isn't studying or building the death star, that would help too.
 
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TNnative said:
Don't be too sure about Dobbs not improving. We have seen definite improvement in the OL each year. If they can average giving him .5 to 1.5 seconds longer in the pocket next season, and the receiver can get better separation, that might result in better numbers.

Of course, if Dobbs can fit a visit to a QB clinic this summer when he isn't studying or building the death star, that would help too.
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My concern isn't related to those things. We saw his accuracy last spring and at many other times when it isn't live. We KNOW he can throw accurately.

But when things go live, something happens. WR's are frequently having to extend their arms over their heads or dive back against their direction to make plays on balls. He throws the ball long (where again he's demonstrated he can hit targets in QB drills) but fails to lead receivers to the right spot. It just seems he struggles to anticipate where the ball needs to be thrown.

On several occasions he has left balls short on fade and up routes to WR's in single coverage. Well thrown balls would have been big plays.


I'm not condemning him. He works as hard as anyone. He runs well and sacrifices himself. I have no doubt he's given everything he has to improve his passing. But what he seems to struggle with is more instinct and perhaps confidence than effort.

Tyler Bray was "wrong" on so many levels. But he had the innate ability to put balls in small windows and to anticipate where the ball needed to be thrown to give receivers their best play on it.

Most things can be improved. I'm not sure this can.
 
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dcm3w said:
So someone catch me up but is Sheridan our QB coach?
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My understanding is that DeBord is the QB coach right now. I imagine he and Jones will find a GA that can help with QB's. If Sheridan stays on as QC then he could still be involved as well.
 
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sjt18 said:
My concern isn't related to those things. We saw his accuracy last spring and at many other times when it isn't live. We KNOW he can throw accurately.

But when things go live, something happens. WR's are frequently having to extend their arms over their heads or dive back against their direction to make plays on balls. He throws the ball long (where again he's demonstrated he can hit targets in QB drills) but fails to lead receivers to the right spot. It just seems he struggles to anticipate where the ball needs to be thrown.

On several occasions he has left balls short on fade and up routes to WR's in single coverage. Well thrown balls would have been big plays.


I'm not condemning him. He works as hard as anyone. He runs well and sacrifices himself. I have no doubt he's given everything he has to improve his passing. But what he seems to struggle with is more instinct and perhaps confidence than effort.

Tyler Bray was "wrong" on so many levels. But he had the innate ability to put balls in small windows and to anticipate where the ball needed to be thrown to give receivers their best play on it.

Most things can be improved. I'm not sure this can.
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That is exactly why I mentioned Dobbs being in a QB camp with the right guru this summer. I do not think it is Dobbs first instinct to make things happen with his feet on designed passing plays. He has been forced to, because so far, he has had to do it with a OL that was still evolving. Hopefully, the big guys can give him the time he needs this year. Even though we aspire to restore the title "Wide Receiver U" to Tennessee, the passing game is not quite there yet. If Richmond and Hall can live up to our expectations, Dobbs should have his best chance to become the passing QB he is yet to show he can be.

Dobbs has upped his game every year, and he is an intelligent player. Yes, he has things to fix, but if the receivers we have and those we hope come in on NSD can perform, I have high hopes he can take that step.

A year from now, if we remember, I guess one of us will tell the other, "Told Ya So." Hopefully, that honor will be mine.
 
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TNnative said:
That is exactly why I mentioned Dobbs being in a QB camp with the right guru this summer. I do not think it is Dobbs first instinct to make things happen with his feet on designed passing plays. He has been forced to, because so far, he has had to do it with a OL that was still evolving. Hopefully, the big guys can give him the time he needs this year. Even though we aspire to restore the title "Wide Receiver U" to Tennessee, the passing game is not quite there yet. If Richmond and Hall can live up to our expectations, Dobbs should have his best chance to become the passing QB he is yet to show he can be.

Dobbs has upped his game every year, and he is an intelligent player. Yes, he has things to fix, but if the receivers we have and those we hope come in on NSD can perform, I have high hopes he can take that step.

A year from now, if we remember, I guess one of us will tell the other, "Told Ya So." Hopefully, that honor will be mine.
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Maybe we just have to disagree here but UT's OL did a good job in pass pro this year. Early in the season, Dobbs was mismanaging the pocket badly. He got much better as the season went on.

Dobbs attended a QB camp a couple of years ago. He helped teach one last year. I think he's been at the Manning camp.

I won't say that I know what the problem is... I just know what it looks like as he plays. I don't know if he can't do after snap reads or if there's just some natural obstacle to anticipating where to throw the ball.

But I will give you an example that hopefully you'll watch. It isn't an isolated occurrence but just easy to see. Rewatching the NU game last night there was a particular play where Dobbs left the pocket, scrambled around, and eventually tried to force one into Smith. I believe during the replay they gave a view from the back. You can clearly see Wolf run about a 15 yd hook. He found a soft spot in NU's zone and completed his break at about the same time Dobbs left the pocket. Had Dobbs anticipated his break and thrown the ball on time, it would have been a first down and possible TD.

There was another play where the UT WR had a couple of steps on NU's DB. A well thrown ball would have been a score. Dobbs left it short. That allowed the DB to challenge for the ball and create an incompletion. It wasn't an attempt at a back shoulder throw. It was thrown to the inside enabling the DB to make a play.

Again, other than this, you couldn't ask for more from a player or QB. But Dobbs has always struggled with it whether something harder like these throws in games or simply leading receivers correctly in practice.
 
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sjt18 said:
Maybe we just have to disagree here but UT's OL did a good job in pass pro this year. Early in the season, Dobbs was mismanaging the pocket badly. He got much better as the season went on.

Dobbs attended a QB camp a couple of years ago. He helped teach one last year. I think he's been at the Manning camp.

I won't say that I know what the problem is... I just know what it looks like as he plays. I don't know if he can't do after snap reads or if there's just some natural obstacle to anticipating where to throw the ball.

But I will give you an example that hopefully you'll watch. It isn't an isolated occurrence but just easy to see. Rewatching the NU game last night there was a particular play where Dobbs left the pocket, scrambled around, and eventually tried to force one into Smith. I believe during the replay they gave a view from the back. You can clearly see Wolf run about a 15 yd hook. He found a soft spot in NU's zone and completed his break at about the same time Dobbs left the pocket. Had Dobbs anticipated his break and thrown the ball on time, it would have been a first down and possible TD.

There was another play where the UT WR had a couple of steps on NU's DB. A well thrown ball would have been a score. Dobbs left it short. That allowed the DB to challenge for the ball and create an incompletion. It wasn't an attempt at a back shoulder throw. It was thrown to the inside enabling the DB to make a play.

Again, other than this, you couldn't ask for more from a player or QB. But Dobbs has always struggled with it whether something harder like these throws in games or simply leading receivers correctly in practice.
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a coach I know feels like he is not instinctive. he has to think before executing.

His thoughts are:

He see's something but takes that half second to think before just reacting to what he is seeing. Thus he misses a lot of throws.

I'm not smart enough to know if he is right or wrong but could see it being a problem if he does this. thousands of throws in 7 on 7 (Wish Jones would let them do 7 on 7) work with a coach reminding him every time he did not react would help correct IMO.

I do think there are times he reacts without thinking. The TD throw to Malone in the corner of end zone versus Oklahoma looked like a reaction throw. He just doesn't do that often enough
 
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LWSVOL said:
a coach I know feels like he is not instinctive. he has to think before executing.

His thoughts are:

He see's something but takes that half second to think before just reacting to what he is seeing. Thus he misses a lot of throws.

I'm not smart enough to know if he is right or wrong but could see it being a problem if he does this. thousands of throws in 7 on 7 (Wish Jones would let them do 7 on 7) work with a coach reminding him every time he did not react would help correct IMO.

I do think there are times he reacts without thinking. The TD throw to Malone in the corner of end zone versus Oklahoma looked like a reaction throw. He just doesn't do that often enough
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Many extremely smart athletes have this trouble.

Too smart for their own good sometimes
 
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LWSVOL said:
a coach I know feels like
I'm not smart enough to know if he is right or wrong but could see it being a problem if he does this. thousands of throws in 7 on 7 (Wish Jones would let them do 7 on 7) work with a coach reminding him every time he did not react would help correct IMO.
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I think the lack of 7 on 7 work is just another reason why it is important to establish three receivers who are going to take 75% of the game snaps next year. It would help Dobbs immensely in the throw game, IMHO.

Why does CBJ disapprove of 7 on 7? I imagine when he hires Peyton Manning that's going to change....
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
I think the lack of 7 on 7 work is just another reason why it is important to establish three receivers who are going to take 75% of the game snaps next year. It would help Dobbs immensely in the throw game, IMHO.

Why does CBJ disapprove of 7 on 7? I imagine when he hires Peyton Manning that's going to change....
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Given our lack of a consistent, efficient passing game and the fact that a lot of our primary WRs are getting injured in Spring and Fall camp anyway, perhaps Jones should reconsider his no 7-on-7 policy. Do something different since what's doing now clearly isn't working.
 
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