No christmas at ut

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mrorange211 said:
I don't dispute that some of the students are perhaps taking this to extremes, but the point still remains that there are problems that those students believe that their admins are failing to represent and they have the right to make their voices heard. I also don't think you realize how much inequality is still present on the American college campus, but alas I keep shooting myself in the foot.



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46 Years ago in 1969, two blacks moved in across the hall from me in Reese Hall. One played in the Pride of the Southland Band. They were treated just exactly like everyone else on the floor. What has happened since then to make the situation so much worse on college campuses?
 
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mrorange211 said:
I don't dispute that some of the students are perhaps taking this to extremes, but the point still remains that there are problems that those students believe that their admins are failing to represent and they have the right to make their voices heard. I also don't think you realize how much inequality is still present on the American college campus, but alas I keep shooting myself in the foot.



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I can't get it to link from my phone but it was part of the national common core.... The students were reciting the five pillars of Islam and the shahada. Just google it about Tennessee schools.
 
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mrorange211 said:
I don't dispute that some of the students are perhaps taking this to extremes, but the point still remains that there are problems that those students believe that their admins are failing to represent and they have the right to make their voices heard. I also don't think you realize how much inequality is still present on the American college campus, but alas I keep shooting myself in the foot.
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Some of the students? I've only seen one college have fairly rational demands so far in this entire sad saga:

Following student sit-in, Towson interim president signs lists of demands | USA TODAY College

The rest? Show me how "rational" they truly are.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I can't get it to link from my phone but it was part of the national common core.... The students were reciting the five pillars of Islam and the shahada. Just google it about Tennessee schools.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...fear-islamic-indoctrination-schools/72038416/
Parents in Maury, Williamson and other counties have expressed concerns about the class. They say their children were required to memorize the five pillars of Islam and to write "Allah is the only God" as part of an assignment, according to several local and national mediareports.
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Not sure if they were required to stand up and orally recite the information as you're implying. Even if they did, what's the problem?
 
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1972 Grad said:
46 Years ago in 1969, two blacks moved in across the hall from me in Reese Hall. One played in the Pride of the Southland Band. They were treated just exactly like everyone else on the floor. What has happened since then to make the situation so much worse on college campuses?
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The fact that you remember two blacks moving across the hall tells me they weren't regarded the same as everyone else.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
The fact that you remember two blacks moving across the hall tells me they weren't regarded the same as everyone else.
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The fact that you even made this comment means you have reached the end of all logical arguments and are grasping at straws.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
The fact that you remember two blacks moving across the hall tells me they weren't regarded the same as everyone else.
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I even remember their names....Pinch and Ron. When there were only a handful in the dorm, and 2 out of 40 on the floor, they are more likely to be remembered.

They were from Nashville. Pinch played in the Pride of the Southland, and Ron had a new 68 Camaro Z28. It was red with white stripes, and had 2 -4 barrels. I had a 1970 AMX, and remember taking Pinch to class one day in it, when I was on the way somewhere off campus. I thought that I could impress him since his roommate had a Z28. I tried to burn rubber, but it was cold out, and the choke was still on, and the secondaries couldn't open on the Autolite carb with the choke on. My car fell flat on its face, and I was embarrassed.

See, I remember a lot of stuff.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
The fact that you remember two blacks moving across the hall tells me they weren't regarded the same as everyone else.
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The George Clem School Wolverines - Greeneville
right side of screen under blog archives, click on 2014 , then scroll down to 2nd story Aug.11, 2014


The Greeneville Sun: Our Hometown Newspaper Since 1879
upper right in search box type in "former students fondly recall George Clem school." I know some of these people, and went to school with a couple mentioned, had a coach who was the husband of the 95 year old lady. Click on the videos and listen to them , in their words. Don't listen to me. I don't care.
 
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volbeast33 said:
So it's no big deal to recite an Islamic prayer but it's ACLU involvement over a Christian prayer?
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Did you never takes tests/exams in school? That's a recitation.

I don't know what the ACLU thing you're talking about is. If you're learning about religions, prayers and mantras are pretty basic 101 things that will be covered and tested on, whether it is oral or written. No problem there.

If a sincere prayer or mantra is led by some kind of teacher or administrator for the students to participate in for a grade, that is an infringement of separation of church & state (obviously limited to public schools). Doesn't matter what religion it is.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Did you never takes tests/exams in school? That's a recitation.

I don't know what the ACLU thing you're talking about is. If you're learning about religions, prayers and mantras are pretty basic 101 things that will be covered and tested on, whether it is oral or written. No problem there.

If a sincere prayer or mantra is led by some kind of teacher or administrator for the students to participate in for a grade, that is an infringement of separation of church & state (obviously limited to public schools). Doesn't matter what religion it is.
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I don't have a problem with it.... My daughter did it at school but she is taught differently at home.... I have a friend whose daughter took a stand and got up and walked out of class. i was having a discussion with someone else when I called the ACLU a bunch of nuts and he said the ACLU saved his kids from bible study during class and I asked if he had a problem with his kids being made to recite an Islamic prayer and he didn't realize it was happening. I feel their would be an uproar with lawsuits and ACLU involvement if the class was studying Christianity and made to recite the Lord's Prayer as part of the lesson.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I don't have a problem with it.... My daughter did it at school but she is taught differently at home.... I have a friend whose daughter took a stand and got up and walked out of class. i was having a discussion with someone else when I called the ACLU a bunch of nuts and he said the ACLU saved his kids from bible study during class and I asked if he had a problem with his kids being made to recite an Islamic prayer and he didn't realize it was happening. I feel their would be an uproar with lawsuits and ACLU involvement if the class was studying Christianity and made to recite the Lord's Prayer as part of the lesson.
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If such an uproar occurred, I would defend the lesson plan as I did in the Islam situation.

Well I'd be interested to know what your buddy's kids' situations were. For me, it basically boils down to what I said in my last post: the information is presented, learned, and recited - that's school, and I have no problem with it. I think the atheist activists get most upset about stuff like having a crucifix on the wall of a classroom or having a prayer during morning announcements.

But it sounds like we're pretty much in agreement.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Like getting hanged for glancing at a white chick?
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If GMU's Walter Williams is only half-accurate, your comment couldn't be further from the mark. Excerpt:

"Today the overwhelming majority of black children are raised in single female-headed families. As early as the 1880s, three-quarters of black families were two-parent. In 1925 New York City, 85 percent of black families were two-parent. One study of 19th-century slave families found that in up to three-fourths of the families, all the children had the same mother and father.

Today's black illegitimacy rate of nearly 75 percent is also entirely new. In 1940, black illegitimacy stood at 14 percent. It had risen to 25 percent by 1965, when Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote The Negro Family: The Case for National Action and was widely condemned as a racist. By 1980, the black illegitimacy rate had more than doubled, to 56 percent, and it has been growing since. Both during slavery and as late as 1920, a teenage girl raising a child without a man present was rare among blacks." The True Black Tragedy
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Isreal was founded for the JEWS. you cannot be this stupid. America was founded to escape government endorsed religion.
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He can spell Israel.

His comment highlights the absurdity of making yourself feel unwelcome in your own country for the imagined comfort of others. What boring, narcissistic, nonmulticutural fook would expect others to diminish their holiday traditions to suit them?

Oh, I answered the question!
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
The issue, as i see it, is the math department at ut throws a staff Christmas party. 74% of the staff is Christian and celebrates Christmas. The Christian attitude, as demonstrated in this thread, is screw the 26%, let them assimilate.

Why not just have a holiday party and make 100% of the staff feel welcome? The problem with the alternative is that you're likely to never know that Haji the Hindu didn't feel welcome at that school sponsored party. Would your life be enriched by including more people, cultures and experiences? I think so.

My opinion changes completely if the party is private and not school sponsored.
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If instead I attend Haji's Hindu school, I'd expect them to carry on their "cultures and experiences" as if I wasn't there. Actually, in addition to an education, that'd the *primary* reason for being there. Why the hell would I want to be in India for a bland culturally neutral experience *NOT* Indian in nature?? If they explained something about the event and tried to have me participate to the degree I could, that would be welcoming me and more than enough.

It isn't as though a large steel door slams down between the 74% and 26%, with a window so the minority can bemoan their exclusion; rather, it's like attending a school or event in any foreign country. Especially in this country, people are made to feel welcome at these events.
 
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NCFisher said:
He can spell Israel.

His comment highlights the absurdity of making yourself feel unwelcome in your own country for the imagined comfort of others. What boring, narcissistic, nonmulticutural fook would expect others to diminish their holiday traditions to suit them?

Oh, I answered the question!
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