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pismonque said:
Alienating the women's teams (of all sports) by giving them separate team names is much worse. From Day 1 they always should have been Volunteers without having a separate designation because they were women. The separate name carries an implied patronizing and diminishing connotation, as if it's something inferior to the "real" sports programs the men have.

The consistent, longterm excellence that Pat built stands as a big FU to that sort of thinking, which is why the Lady Vols name got consideration as the last holdout against school-wide brand unification. But that ultimately has to be temporary in the bigger picture, so even if it's currently being driven by marketing, I'm all for it.
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I don't want to draw this into a fight, but I do want to say one thing and then get back to chewing on these unis until tomorrow. I have a relative who's a Lady Vol alumnus from decades ago. It's the primary reason I even care about the issue. She's always said was always proud of how far the whole Lady Vols thing had come with respect to representing women, and felt like it was a symbol of women taking pride in themselves as competitors, something which she rarely saw in her day and something which still isn't really 100% true today (there's enough jokes about the WNBA out there). Anyway, she felt like at Tennessee it wasn't quite like that. People were more accepting of women's sports, and treated them with more respect. Sure they were girls, but they were also athletes, and they were proud of being both. The name represented a respect they thought they had earned, and now it's being relegated to a footnote and a blemish that needs correcting -- things they never felt as players.

I'm not saying this to change your mind or anything. I'm saying to let you know the program represented some important things to her and people like her for many decades, and it was never patronizing. It was a point of pride, and something they loved about Tennessee which made it better than other schools. And now hearing all this talk about how it's inconvenient or outdated or whatever, it's just a lot of things they don't agree with or which feel dismissive of their work and contributions over the years.

Anyway. Things change. People love what's new. The uniforms seem pretty cool to me. Not sold on the black ones but I can deal. Resume uniform complaints. Or non-uniform complaints, whatever.
 
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Voltopia said:
I don't want to draw this into a fight, but I do want to say one thing and then get back to chewing on these unis until tomorrow. I have a relative who's a Lady Vol alumnus from decades ago. It's the primary reason I even care about the issue. She's always said was always proud of how far the whole Lady Vols thing had come with respect to representing women, and felt like it was a symbol of women taking pride in themselves as competitors, something which she rarely saw in her day and something which still isn't really 100% true today (there's enough jokes about the WNBA out there). Anyway, she felt like at Tennessee it wasn't quite like that. People were more accepting of women's sports, and treated them with more respect. Sure they were girls, but they were also athletes, and they were proud of being both. The name represented a respect they thought they had earned, and now it's being relegated to a footnote and a blemish that needs correcting -- things they never felt as players.

I'm not saying this to change your mind or anything. I'm saying to let you know the program represented some important things to her and people like her for many decades, and it was never patronizing. It was a point of pride, and something they loved about Tennessee which made it better than other schools. And now hearing all this talk about how it's inconvenient or outdated or whatever, it's just a lot of things they don't agree with or which feel dismissive of their work and contributions over the years.

Anyway. Things change. People love what's new. The uniforms seem pretty cool to me. Not sold on the black ones but I can deal. Resume uniform complaints. Or non-uniform complaints, whatever.
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Not to crap on your whole post but...we don't have any black uniforms.
 
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#407
butchna said:
Seems like you got my point then escaped...:gone: By your reasoning a segment of the sports department wants to hold themselves apart from the rest but not pay for it. :unsure: They're not big enough to negotiate their own separate deal...they need to piggyback on football money to finance their programs. But as long as they "vote on it?" :dunno: it's like Rhode Island voting to use Texas tollway money to give their teachers a raise. :pinch:

Blink when this settles. :unsure:
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I'm saying why change it now? It's been going on for over 3 decades. It's not that much more expensive to sew on the Lady Vols logo rather than the power T on jerseys...especially if it's going to start a big fuss, just leave it alone. It's not broken...
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
When the 5*s start committing because of what the uniforms look like, Everyone will be on board... Until then, those gray things are just cheesy gimmicks. We used to be better than to lower ourselves to that level. Apparently we are not anymore.

Alabama hasn't sold their uniform souls and they recruit better than anyone so I don't buy the bs about these uniform gimmicks being about recruiting. Instead, they are all about one thing: selling Nike products. The more uniforms and combinations Nike roles out, the more morons on this board will buy their merchandise. It's no different than any other clothing company that roles out new fashions each season. But most of you are too near-sighted to see these gimmicks for what they are -- ploys to get you to part with your money on new merchandise.

The only good news is that UT gets a royalty each time one of you saps buys new Nike gear.

My advice would be to buy some good quality and classic Vol gear from the good Tennesseeanns at Volunteer Traditions. Their gear is timeless and classic, and will last you through each of the cheesy Nike iterations that take place in the coming years to the uniforms, colors and styles of our Alma mater.
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I like Nike. I tend to buy new clothes each year, but maybe I'm in the minority that enjoys wearing new things. Sue me.

Thanks for the advice, I don't know how I've made it so far in life without you.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
Not to crap on your whole post but...we don't have any black uniforms.
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Well, two-tone gray uniforms, whatever they are. Even with the dim lighting, it looks like the shoulder and helmets have some element of very dark grey on them (if not black). I mean, it's semantics. Whatever they are, I'm not sold on those. Feel pretty Missouri/generic Nike two color alternates to me. But like I said, I can deal.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
Alabama hasn't sold their uniform souls and they recruit better than anyone so I don't buy the bs about these uniform gimmicks being about recruiting.
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.....what's that you say?
 
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VolAllen said:
I'm saying why change it now? It's been going on for over 3 decades. It's not that much more expensive to sew on the Lady Vols logo rather than the power T on jerseys...especially if it's going to start a big fuss, just leave it alone. It's not broken...
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"Not that much more expensive" sounds better when it's "didn't cost anything...in fact, the women's teams cashed in on this deal". There's no "fuss" in this resolution. The women can still call themselves Lady Vols...their apparel will just be simpler. Vols...you do things the wrong way for 30 years and 1 day of doing it right still feels natural. :)
 
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butchna said:
"Not that much more expensive" sounds better when it's "didn't cost anything...in fact, the women's teams cashed in on this deal". There's no "fuss" in this resolution. The women can still call themselves Lady Vols...their apparel will just be simpler. Vols...you do things the wrong way for 30 years and 1 day of doing it right still feels natural. :)
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Soooooo......does this mean fans/companies can make Lady Vols shirts without approval from the university? I mean....another mans trash is another mans treasure, right?
 
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