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[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Derrick Henry was just last year. Nearly identical size and athleticism.

No he wasn't. Henry was a bumbling stumbling fool. He didn't have Hurd's balance, explosion, and agility.

Comparing Henry to Hurd is like comparing USC Mike Williams to Calvin Johnson. Outside of the size, there is no comparison.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You're still failing everywhere and your point holds nothing. Go back and read the original post again.

You also aren't even getting how bad your Kareem argument is and that's your own analogy. In NBA history how many players have more 50+ games? (Oh, and it's a horrible contextual analogy in the first place...something I'm sure pretty much everyone else following the conversation spots immediately)

According to this list 7 guys.
50 Point Club | NBADraft.net

And the point isn't how many are in front of him. Its the fact that you don't have to be the best at everything to be the best overall.

Kareem became the all-time leading scorer without being the most explosive scorer. There were many guys Wilt being the most prominent that were more explosive in one game spurts. But over a 20 year career nobody was as CONSISTENT as Kareem.

Hurd could be the greatest running back ever gaining 5-10 yards every carry without ever busting a 50 yard run. Just like Kareem became the all-time leading scorer without scoring 50 points every other week.

 

[ochocinco]

No he wasn't. Henry was a bumbling stumbling fool. He didn't have Hurd's balance, explosion, and agility.

Comparing Henry to Hurd is like comparing USC Mike Williams to Calvin Johnson. Outside of the size, there is no comparison.

This is why people dont take you seriously and think you are a troll.

He exploded and stayed balanced for multiple long td runs last season something Jalen has been unable to do.

Agility? His 3 cone drill at the combine was better than both Arian Foster and Marshawn Lynch. Thats two of the NFLS best backs from the last 10 years

No. They arent identical twins but they are very similar except for the rings and the heisman trophy. Neither is a once in a generation freak. Thats just crazy talk. Both will have good to great NFL careers.

I expect Hurd to return next year fwiw. If the draft was held today hed be a 2nd or 3rd rd pick. With another year and some big wins and exposure he has shot at top 10. Plus hes a true Vol. Legacy and honor.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

This is why people dont take you seriously and think you are a troll.

He exploded and stayed balanced for multiple long td runs last season something Jalen has been unable to do.

Agility? His 3 cone drill at the combine was better than both Arian Foster and Marshawn Lynch. Thats two of the NFLS best backs from the last 10 years

No. They arent identical twins but they are very similar except for the rings and the heisman trophy. Neither is a once in a generation freak. Thats just crazy talk. Both will have good to great NFL careers.

I expect Hurd to return next year fwiw. If the draft was held today hed be a 2nd or 3rd rd pick. With another year and some big wins and exposure he has shot at top 10. Plus hes a true Vol. Legacy and honor.

Henry will be a BUST like Mike Williams.

Hurd will be a Hall of Famer like Calvin Johnson.

The guy was a product of the same Alabama system that created Trent Richardson. Henry lacks the first step explosion, agility, balance, and acceleration to succeed. I could care less what he did in a 3-cone drill. I watch the games and on tape the guy looked TERRIBLE.

I said this before and I'll say it again. Kelvin Taylor will have a better NFL career. That's a guy who will surprise in the NFL.

 

[hndog609]

According to this list 7 guys.
50 Point Club | NBADraft.net

And the point isn't how many are in front of him. Its the fact that you don't have to be the best at everything to be the best overall.

And there's the 3 Card Monte. So be honest, are you really so dense as to not understand how poorly you've done citing someone who, in football parlance, would be one of the great "homerun threats" of all time (top 10 in the history of the game in both 50+ and 40+ games) in the context you did or have you realized that and are just trying to save face?

In any event, as pointed out earlier, that was a simply awful analogy attempt in the first place so you'd do well to avoid going back to it at all. What you should do is try to address the first post like there was more to it than just managing a 50+ run since that very, very much was the case. If you need a starting point go with this part:

As a complete back Hurd is unquestionably better but a "generational" talent isn't getting shown up in the breakaway threat dept by so many other players...including RB's from KY and Vandy. It just flat out doesn't reconcile.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

And there's the 3 Card Monte. So be honest, are you really so dense as to not understand how poorly you've done citing someone who, in football parlance, would be one of the great "homerun threats" of all time (top 10 in the history of the game in both 50+ and 40+ games) in the context you did or have you realized that and are just trying to save face?

In any event, as pointed out earlier, that was a simply awful analogy attempt in the first place so you'd do well to avoid going back to it at all. What you should do is try to address the first post like there was more to it than just managing a 50+ run since that very, very much was the case. If you need a starting point go with this part:

As a complete back Hurd is unquestionably better but a "generational" talent isn't getting shown up in the breakaway threat dept by so many other players...including RB's from KY and Vandy. It just flat out doesn't reconcile.

Once again you're just hanging onto this one talking point. Jalen did have a long TD run last year that was called back because of holding. I don't know if it was 50 yards but he showed breakaway speed there. And I believe he'll break many long runs this year thanks to a better o-line.

But even if he never breaks a 50 yard run, your argument is irrelevant. Since the 50 point game metaphor didn't work for you, how about we try something different.

Shaquille O'Neal is one of the greatest players in NBA history eventhough he couldn't hit free throws. This whole criticism you have that Hurd can't be a generational football player because he doesn't break long runs is as stupid as saying Shaq isn't a generational basketball player because he can't hit free throws. There are many "lesser" players that can hit free throws better than Shaq. That doesn't make them better than Shaq.

Just as breaking long runs doesn't make "lesser" players better than Hurd.

 

[hndog609]

Once again you're just hanging onto this one talking point. Jalen did have a long TD run last year that was called back because of holding. I don't know if it was 50 yards but he showed breakaway speed there. And I believe he'll break many long runs this year thanks to a better o-line.

But even if he never breaks a 50 yard run, your argument is irrelevant. Since the 50 point game metaphor didn't work for you, how about we try something different.

Shaquille O'Neal is one of the greatest players in NBA history eventhough he couldn't hit free throws. This whole criticism you have that Hurd can't be a generational football player because he doesn't break long runs is as stupid as saying Shaq isn't a generational basketball player because he can't hit free throws. There are many "lesser" players that can hit free throws better than Shaq. That doesn't make them better than Shaq.

Just as breaking long runs doesn't make "lesser" players better than Hurd.

You're just flopping around and we both know how your delusion works (your being stuck on only the 50yd run speaks volumes in relation to my entire post) so let me just say this:

"Generational" players don't, as in DO NOT, suffer in comparison to lesser players in the thing they are most associated with doing, which in this case is toting the rock down the field. To this point Hurd's big play ability suffers even in comparison to lesser players on worse teams, nevermind those more highly regarded. (Fournette, Chubb, Cook, McCaffrey, etc)

None of that is opinion...it's demonstrable and quantifiable. Now Hurd's not done yet and getting some big plays (and no they don't have to housed 50+ yarders either, which was actually addressed in my original post) with any kind of consistency will go a loooong way toward getting him considered in the same league as those mentioned above.

 

[VOL-uh-tile]

I have always considered a generation to be 20-25 years. That is the age range people commonly have children. 2cents.

 

[VOL-uh-tile]

As far as Hurd getting drafted in the first round...no way a 4.5 ypc XL back is getting looked at in the first round. If he absolutely dominates this season, he can go early second round.

For Dobbs, his best NFL position would be receiver seems to me. Follow in the steps of Braxton Miller. I think he would be most dangerous in the open field (opposed to coming from the backfield as a RB) due to his vision and evasiveness. I am more convinced of his speed than I used to be, on the hurd fumble of the GA game last year, he almost caught the defensive back that recovered it with at least a 1 second start.

Anyway, as a receiver I think Dobbs could go 3rd- 4th round. As a QB, 5th round is where I'd put him.

 

[chattaboogie]

Once again you're just hanging onto this one talking point. Jalen did have a long TD run last year that was called back because of holding. I don't know if it was 50 yards but he showed breakaway speed there. And I believe he'll break many long runs this year thanks to a better o-line.

But even if he never breaks a 50 yard run, your argument is irrelevant. Since the 50 point game metaphor didn't work for you, how about we try something different.

Shaquille O'Neal is one of the greatest players in NBA history eventhough he couldn't hit free throws. This whole criticism you have that Hurd can't be a generational football player because he doesn't break long runs is as stupid as saying Shaq isn't a generational basketball player because he can't hit free throws. There are many "lesser" players that can hit free throws better than Shaq. That doesn't make them better than Shaq.

Just as breaking long runs doesn't make "lesser" players better than Hurd.

Shaq wasn't a generational basketball player! You don't even have to leave the Lakers to find a better player holy sh$& am I being PUNK'D?

 

[n_huffhines]

Shaq wasn't a generational basketball player! You don't even have to leave the Lakers to find a better player holy sh$& am I being PUNK'D?

wtf?!