nfl.com Mock Draft: Kamara #19, Barnett #22

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Panthro said:
2017 NFL Draft: Which running backs raise red flags as potential fumblers? - CBSSports.com

Kamara ranks in the RED FLAG area for fumbles (along with Dalvin Cook). I am hearing a ton of buzz around him but I just do not think this guy is first round worthy.

To the point of Derek Barnett, I'm seeing lots of people drop him down into the late first or early second round. You cannot convince me that Taco Charleton is a better draft prospect than Derek Barnett. And don't give me the "size" argument when a guy like Solomon Thomas has stock that's skyrocketing.
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I told you guys this for months but you didn't want to believe me.

NFL teams don't really care about college stats. They care more about measurables and athleticism. I told yall as we get closer to the combine Barnett's draft stock would fall and guys like Dobbs and Kamara would rise.

Derek Barnett lacks elite athleticism. This will cause him to drop down the draft boards of most teams. Kamara has elite athleticism and that would cause him to go up the draft boards.

You guys just need to realize production in college is not that important to the NFL.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I told you guys this for months but you didn't want to believe me.

NFL teams don't really care about college stats. They care more about measurables and athleticism. I told yall as we get closer to the combine Barnett's draft stock would fall and guys like Dobbs and Kamara would rise.

Derek Barnett lacks elite athleticism. This will cause him to drop down the draft boards of most teams. Kamara has elite athleticism and that would cause him to go up the draft boards.

You guys just need to realize production in college is not that important to the NFL.
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That's not always the most important thing, though. Look at Jabrill Peppers. He's a top five athlete in this class but he's currently free-falling in the draft process.
Read something today predicting he falls to round two because he's a tweener. I say stick him at WLB and call it a day. He's too good to ignore. Somebody will get a steal with that guy.
 
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D4H keeps insisting he knows how the draft works and his predictions keep bombing. :lol:
 
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butchna said:
D4H keeps insisting he knows how the draft works and his predictions keep bombing. :lol:
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That's alright. Kiper is rarely right. McShay is never right.
I'm a passionate draft follower. I've got my opinions but very few fit with what actually happens. I've got a draft podcast and site just like everybody these days.
 
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Panthro said:
That's alright. Kiper is rarely right. McShay is never right.
I'm a passionate draft follower. I've got my opinions but very few fit with what actually happens. I've got a draft podcast and site just like everybody these days.
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Was an avid draftnik back in the day. Read all the college preseason magazines cover to cover, so when the draft occurred I would know stats of almost every name called. My buddies in the AF would attempt to stump me and were never successful. It was fun and interactive. Never declared the ONE truth and put myself as the authority or preached ad nauseum why my opinion was the final word...knew better. There is no fun to D4H's schtick. "I told you so" becomes didn't happen every year. :lol: If your podcast is a similar journey in self-delusion, I'll skip. :hi:
 
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butchna said:
Was an avid draftnik back in the day. Read all the college preseason magazines cover to cover, so when the draft occurred I would know stats of almost every name called. My buddies in the AF would attempt to stump me and were never successful. It was fun and interactive. Never declared the ONE truth and put myself as the authority or preached ad nauseum why my opinion was the final word...knew better. There is no fun to D4H's schtick. "I told you so" becomes didn't happen every year. :lol: If your podcast is a similar journey in self-delusion, I'll skip. :hi:
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Ah! But aren't the "I told you so" guys fun sometimes? Like when Kiper insisted Jimmy Clausen was the second coming of Tom Brady. Just kind of fun to point and laugh that they're as off-base as we are.
No, it's more like, "I love the draft and my buddy from work loves it even more and we both think we're the next Mitch Hedberg, so why not record a show."
Usually I just like to gather what the popular "experts" say and try to disprove them if I disagree. Feel free to look up UDFA Podcast if you'd like. Latest one is about some position breakdowns and recent mocks. Today we are going to record our FA ep.
 
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jkleno said:
Tb has a fantastic offense with a solid QB, top 10 WR and a good TE. They are an up and coming team where Kamara would be a great fit. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually is drafted ahead of Barnett. That might be great for Barnett as well if he is drafted later in the 1st by a contender than playing "where dreams go to die" aka Browns.
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Completely agree. Barnett is overlooked despite the statistics because the NFL is adopting the NBA draft model of "potential over proof". Garrett is no doubt a fantastic prospect, but he isn't a standout number one pick. Reason Barnett will drop is because of "body and play style", despite virtually eating Cam Robinson alive in the embarrassing blowout. Not being a homer, I firmly believe Barnett is the biggest first round sleeper in the draft. Hope he goes to a solid team to get his publicity out there and his name in the spotlight much quicker.
 
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With less than a week left before the NFL Combine, @Vol_Football running back Alvin Kamara has fired his agent.
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It is interesting to me that Derek is still dropping.... I read something a couple of days ago talking about his hips not being flexible enough.... Which in my opinion is one of the best attributes about Derek his bend is great...

Alvin I believe can be really successful at the next level he is a middle class man's Elliot with better catching skills...

And for the draft guys on here... I thoroughly believe Green Bay accidentally stumbled on to something that could change the game at the running back position going forward in the next couple of years... I know we keep on seeing Z's getting more involved in the run game with the speed sweeps and some triple option stuff that New Mexico runs but to a genuine WR as a running back.... I honestly think that Green Bay could of capitalized on his skills more but I like where that could be headed...
 
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Caleb59seal said:
It is interesting to me that Derek is still dropping.... I read something a couple of days ago talking about his hips not being flexible enough.... Which in my opinion is one of the best attributes about Derek his bend is great...

Alvin I believe can be really successful at the next level he is a middle class man's Elliot with better catching skills...

And for the draft guys on here... I thoroughly believe Green Bay accidentally stumbled on to something that could change the game at the running back position going forward in the next couple of years... I know we keep on seeing Z's getting more involved in the run game with the speed sweeps and some triple option stuff that New Mexico runs but to a genuine WR as a running back.... I honestly think that Green Bay could of capitalized on his skills more but I like where that could be headed...
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I predicted this as early as last year and people attacked me for it. I'm looking at you KBVol.

I predicted Barnett would drop around the combine. I think you guys need to realize that early in the process the mock drafts are made by college football people. They sometimes overvalue guys who put up big numbers in college more than the NFL teams that look more for athleticism and upside. As we approach the combine, the media heads that put together these mock drafts get intel from NFL teams on where they value prospects and that is how guys rise and fall.

NFL teams valued Alvin more than the people who follow college football hence him rising from a second day prospect to a first round prospect right now. While NFL teams value Barnett less than people who follow college football hence his stock following from early first round to the late first round.

With that said I still think a team takes Derek Barnett early in the first round. There is always that one team that values production more than athleticism and upside. I believe that team will be the New Orleans Saints. They will draft Barnett with the 11th overall pick.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I predicted this as early as last year and people attacked me for it. I'm looking at you KBVol.

I predicted Barnett would drop around the combine. I think you guys need to realize that early in the process the mock drafts are made by college football people. They sometimes overvalue guys who put up big numbers in college more than the NFL teams that look more for athleticism and upside. As we approach the combine, the media heads that put together these mock drafts get intel from NFL teams on where they value prospects and that is how guys rise and fall.

NFL teams valued Alvin more than the people who follow college football hence him rising from a second day prospect to a first round prospect right now. While NFL teams value Barnett less than people who follow college football hence his stock following from early first round to the late first round.

With that said I still think a team takes Derek Barnett early in the first round. There is always that one team that values production more than athleticism and upside. I believe that team will be the New Orleans Saints. They will draft Barnett with the 11th overall pick.
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No team values production over upside and especially not athleticism... It's all about how his game can translate to the NFL... I think almost all of the arguments against Barnett are ridiculous... The reason why DB is "dropping" is because the NFL has there standard measurable's and if you don't meet that people get scared and ignore your production... Or value it a lot less then they should be.... Believe it or not there were a lot of teams that did that with Von miller...

I can see legitimate concerns with DB but most of the arguments against him doesn't even hit on those concerns.

So I have heard a lot about you D4H so let's see what you know... What are your concerns about DB and AK? Also what are the upsides of both?
 
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Caleb59seal said:
No team values production over upside and especially not athleticism... It's all about how his game can translate to the NFL... I think almost all of the arguments against Barnett are ridiculous... The reason why DB is "dropping" is because the NFL has there standard measurable's and if you don't meet that people get scared and ignore your production... Or value it a lot less then they should be.... Believe it or not there were a lot of teams that did that with Von miller...

I can see legitimate concerns with DB but most of the arguments against him doesn't even hit on those concerns.

So I have heard a lot about you D4H so let's see what you know... What are your concerns about DB and AK? Also what are the upsides of both?
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I really have no concerns about either prospect. I've watched enough of them to get a good idea of their potential.

Derek Barnett reminds me of the Seahawks DE Michael Bennett in Panthers DE Charles Johnson's body. He'll be a relentless pass rusher who starts for 10 years in the NFL and makes a Pro-Bowl here and there. I just don't think he has the size or athleticism to be an elite or generational pass rusher like Myles Garrett. In this loaded draft class, he would be a good pick in the late first round.

Alvin Kamara I'm high on. I've been comparing him to Marshall Faulk for a while now. He's got elite initial burst, great acceleration, incredible balance, and phenomenal hands. Top end speed isn't quite in Faulk's class but everything else pretty much is. Alvin needs to work on his ball protection but other than that, he's as elite a prospect as there is in this draft. I think he's an ideal pick in today's modern NFL that likes to throw the ball all over the field. I see him having a season in the best future where he has 1000 rushing yards and 1000 receiving yards. I would select Alvin Kamara as the first RB off the board and a top 10 player overall.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Alvin Kamara I'm high on. I've been comparing him to Marshall Faulk for a while now. He's got elite initial burst, great acceleration, incredible balance, and phenomenal hands. Top end speed isn't quite in Faulk's class but everything else pretty much is. Alvin needs to work on his ball protection but other than that, he's as elite a prospect as there is in this draft. I think he's an ideal pick in today's modern NFL that likes to throw the ball all over the field. I see him having a season in the best future where he has 1000 rushing yards and 1000 receiving yards. I would select Alvin Kamara as the first RB off the board and a top 10 player overall.
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There's a lot of this that smacks of hyperbole but there's really no arguing the boldened. For a team that likes to utilize the RB position in the passing game Kamara is well vetted in that regard.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I really have no concerns about either prospect. I've watched enough of them to get a good idea of their potential.

Derek Barnett reminds me of the Seahawks DE Michael Bennett in Panthers DE Charles Johnson's body. He'll be a relentless pass rusher who starts for 10 years in the NFL and makes a Pro-Bowl here and there. I just don't think he has the size or athleticism to be an elite or generational pass rusher like Myles Garrett. In this loaded draft class, he would be a good pick in the late first round.

Alvin Kamara I'm high on. I've been comparing him to Marshall Faulk for a while now. He's got elite initial burst, great acceleration, incredible balance, and phenomenal hands. Top end speed isn't quite in Faulk's class but everything else pretty much is. Alvin needs to work on his ball protection but other than that, he's as elite a prospect as there is in this draft. I think he's an ideal pick in today's modern NFL that likes to throw the ball all over the field. I see him having a season in the best future where he has 1000 rushing yards and 1000 receiving yards. I would select Alvin Kamara as the first RB off the board and a top 10 player overall.
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You honestly have no questions about Alvin... And for what it's worth I believe Alvin is faster than Faulk...

And no concerns about Derek... Come on man....
 
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Caleb59seal said:
You honestly have no questions about Alvin... And for what it's worth I believe Alvin is faster than Faulk...

And no concerns about Derek... Come on man....
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Take a quick spin around Google researching Faulk's speed...I'm thinking you'll be surprised.
 
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hndog609 said:
Take a quick spin around Google researching Faulk's speed...I'm thinking you'll be surprised.
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Yea I was thinking Kamara was a legit 4.4... I hadn't seen Faulk play in his early years... But I was way wrong... I guess AK just plays fast...
 
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